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Offline Stanley N

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Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2021, 05:39:47 PM »
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  • a year ago a statement like the above would have satisfied me completely. Now, I'm not so sure.

    I agree MSM has given people reasons to be skeptical of MSM.

    But that shouldn't mean you hitch a ride with every view you find that disagrees with MSM.

    MSM is still right about some things.


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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #16 on: February 28, 2021, 05:48:43 PM »
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    So I don't know who to believe.  
    How do you account for the discrepancy between sources here?
    None of us do...even those who think they do.  I take everything with a grain of salt these days.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #17 on: February 28, 2021, 06:07:45 PM »
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  • None of us do...even those who think they do.  I take everything with a grain of salt these days.
    Yes.  I don't think I'll really be able to determine the truth on this one.
    I am convinced the PCR tests are bogused though.
    And if they are bogused, then how can any doctor determine if anyone has ever had this virus?
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #18 on: February 28, 2021, 06:08:04 PM »
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  • Miser, I am looking for this info too.  I came across this site with researchers and scientists discussing this exact question.  Even if it was started in June 2020, it sounds like no one has a clear answer---after all this time.  Have you seen this?  Maybe there is more info on this site.

    Has SARS-CoV2 been isolated, purified and demonstrated to be the cause of CÖVÌD19? (researchgate.net)

    https://tinyurl.com/2txdsbps
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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #19 on: February 28, 2021, 06:33:55 PM »
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  • Miser, I am looking for this info too.  I came across this site with researchers and scientists discussing this exact question.  Even if it was started in June 2020, it sounds like no one has a clear answer---after all this time.  Have you seen this?  Maybe there is more info on this site.

    Has SARS-CoV2 been isolated, purified and demonstrated to be the cause of CÖVÌD19? (researchgate.net)

    https://tinyurl.com/2txdsbps
    Thanks!
    I did see that a while back and it looks like there has been more discussion since then.
    I can't read long blocks of test though.
    That's why it's great to see people debating it here.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #20 on: February 28, 2021, 08:14:20 PM »
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  • I say they are not testing.  Isn't spit good enough for that, if there is a test strip for that.Ha!  Is there a test for the common flu?  Not that I know of. And do you just roll up your sleeve with out asking to read the package insert?  Several years ago, I asked a Pharmacist for a package insert for the flu shot. The pharmacist did not know what I was asking for.  The next day I went up to ask and she said, oh here is what I think you are referring to, handing me the insert.

    Are people crazy?  They expect package insert for birth control, which took a couple decades to make happen.  Don't you want to know the ingredients being shot into you that you can't take out!  I knew a lady who let her doctor(?) shoot her with estrogen synthetic and she lost the skin on her hands and God know where else. Estrogen was for her bones, ha!

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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #21 on: March 01, 2021, 05:15:59 PM »
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    COVID: the virus was never proven to exist; a statement from Dr. Andrew Kaufman, Dr. Tom Cowan, and Sally Fallon Morell
    Feb26 by Jon Rappoport
    by Jon Rappoport
    February 26, 2021
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    During this series of articles, in which I’ve been exposing the COVID PCR test as a fraud and a hoax and a con, I’ve assumed, for purposes of discussion, that the virus—SARS-CoV-2—is real and has been isolated. [1]
    I’ve made that assumption in order to show that, within the official world of COVID, the PCR is a sham.
    However, as my readers know, for months I’ve been making the case that no one has proved SARS-CoV-2 exists. [2]
    Therefore, the PCR test is built to detect a fragment of a virus whose very existence has failed to meet a rational standard of evidence.
    This raises the absurdity of the PCR test to a whole new level.
    Researchers assume the piece of RNA the test is looking for is part of SARS-CoV-2. But without having the actual isolated virus in hand, there is no way to know this RNA fragment is any more relevant than a speck of dust on the moon.
    Recently, Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman, and Sally Fallon Morell published a statement concerning the existence of SARS-CoV-2. I am printing it here in full. It should be read and understood by every thinking person:

    Statement On Virus Isolation (SOVI) [3]
    “Isolation: The action of isolating; the fact or condition of being isolated or standing alone; separation from other things or persons; solitariness.” — Oxford English Dictionary
    The controversy over whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus has ever been isolated or purified continues. However, using the above definition, common sense, the laws of logic and the dictates of science, any unbiased person must come to the conclusion that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has never been isolated or purified. As a result, no confirmation of the virus’ existence can be found. The logical, common sense, and scientific consequences of this fact are:
    * the structure and composition of something not shown to exist can’t be known, including the presence, structure, and function of any hypothetical spike or other proteins;
    * the genetic sequence of something that has never been found can’t be known;
    * “variants” of something that hasn’t been shown to exist can’t be known;
    * it’s impossible to demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 causes a disease called Covid-19.
    In as concise terms as possible, here’s the proper way to isolate, characterize and demonstrate a new virus. First, one takes samples (blood, sputum, secretions) from many people (e.g. 500) with symptoms which are unique and specific enough to characterize an illness. Without mixing these samples with ANY tissue or products that also contain genetic material, the virologist macerates, filters and ultracentrifuges i.e. purifies the specimen. This common virology technique, done for decades to isolate bacteriophages [4a] and so-called giant viruses in every virology lab, then allows the virologist to demonstrate with electron microscopy thousands of identically sized and shaped particles. These particles are the isolated and purified virus.
    These identical particles are then checked for uniformity by physical and/or microscopic techniques. Once the purity is determined, the particles may be further characterized. This would include examining the structure, morphology, and chemical composition of the particles. Next, their genetic makeup is characterized by extracting the genetic material directly from the purified particles and using genetic-sequencing techniques, such as Sanger sequencing, that have also been around for decades. Then one does an analysis to confirm that these uniform particles are exogenous (outside) in origin as a virus is conceptualized to be, and not the normal breakdown products of dead and dying tissues. [4b] (As of May 2020, we know that virologists have no way to determine whether the particles they’re seeing are viruses or just normal break-down products of dead and dying tissues.) [4c]
    If we have come this far then we have fully isolated, characterized, and genetically sequenced an exogenous virus particle. However, we still have to show it is causally related to a disease. This is carried out by exposing a group of healthy subjects (animals are usually used) to this isolated, purified virus in the manner in which the disease is thought to be transmitted. If the animals get sick with the same disease, as confirmed by clinical and autopsy findings, one has now shown that the virus actually causes a disease. This demonstrates infectivity and transmission of an infectious agent.
    None of these steps has even been attempted with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, nor have all these steps been successfully performed for any so-called pathogenic virus. Our research indicates that a single study showing these steps does not exist in the medical literature.
    Instead, since 1954, virologists have taken unpurified samples from a relatively few people, often less than ten, with a similar disease. They then minimally process this sample and inoculate this unpurified sample onto tissue culture containing usually four to six other types of material — all of which contain identical genetic material as to what is called a “virus.” The tissue culture is starved and poisoned and naturally disintegrates into many types of particles, some of which contain genetic material. Against all common sense, logic, use of the English language and scientific integrity, this process is called “virus isolation.” This brew containing fragments of genetic material from many sources is then subjected to genetic analysis, which then creates in a computer-simulation process the alleged sequence of the alleged virus, a so called in silico genome. At no time is an actual virus confirmed by electron microscopy. At no time is a genome extracted and sequenced from an actual virus. This is scientific fraud.
    The observation that the unpurified specimen — inoculated onto tissue culture along with toxic antibiotics, bovine fetal tissue, amniotic fluid and other tissues — destroys the kidney tissue onto which it is inoculated is given as evidence of the virus’ existence and pathogenicity. This is scientific fraud.
    From now on, when anyone gives you a paper that suggests the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been isolated, please check the methods sections. If the researchers used Vero cells or any other culture method, you know that their process was not isolation. You will hear the following excuses for why actual isolation isn’t done:
    1. There were not enough virus particles found in samples from patients to analyze.
    2. Viruses are intracellular parasites; they can’t be found outside the cell in this manner.
    If No. 1 is correct, and we can’t find the virus in the sputum of sick people, then on what evidence do we think the virus is dangerous or even lethal? If No. 2 is correct, then how is the virus spread from person to person? We are told it emerges from the cell to infect others. Then why isn’t it possible to find it?
    Finally, questioning these virology techniques and conclusions is not some distraction or divisive issue. Shining the light on this truth is essential to stop this terrible fraud that humanity is confronting. For, as we now know, if the virus has never been isolated, sequenced or shown to cause illness, if the virus is imaginary, then why are we wearing masks, social distancing and putting the whole world into prison?
    Finally, if pathogenic viruses don’t exist, then what is going into those injectable devices erroneously called “vaccines,” and what is their purpose? This scientific question is the most urgent and relevant one of our time.
    We are correct. The SARS-CoV2 virus does not exist.
    Sally Fallon Morell, MA
    Dr. Thomas Cowan, MD
    Dr. Andrew Kaufman, MD

    SOURCES:
    [1] https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/tag/pcr/
    [2] https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/tag/virus/
    [3] https://www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/sovi/
    [4a] Isolation, characterization and analysis of bacteriophages from the haloalkaline lake Elmenteita, KenyaJuliah Khayeli Akhwale et al, PLOS One, Published: April 25, 2019. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0215734 — accessed 2/15/21
    [4b] “Extracellular Vesicles Derived From Apoptotic Cells: An Essential Link Between Death and Regeneration,” Maojiao Li1 et al, Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology, 2020 October 2. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcell.2020.573511/full — accessed 2/15/21
    [4c] “The Role of Extraellular Vesicles as Allies of HIV, HCV and SARS Viruses,” Flavia Giannessi, et al, Viruses, 2020 May


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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #22 on: March 11, 2021, 07:35:48 AM »
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  • I see. They define "isolation" in a peculiar way so they can disregard what anyone else says.
    OK, If they claim the vrius doesn't exist, what proof have they supplied for their ideas?

    Answer from Dr Andrew Kaufman ...
    https://www.brighteon.com/2dc95db6-dbf5-436e-97e8-42152a7cfa70


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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #23 on: March 11, 2021, 10:59:49 AM »
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  • Here is an interesting blog on the subject titled  
    Meet The Friends Of The “Pandemic”

    https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2021/03/11/meet-the-friends-of-the-pandemic/
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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #24 on: March 11, 2021, 12:22:48 PM »
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  • Archbishop Vigano is pretty certain the virus was never isolated

    Deutsche Wirtschaftsnachrichten: Your Excellency, how are you personally living the crisis of the coronavirus?
    Archbishop C. M. Viganò: My age, my status as archbishop and my habit of a withdrawn life are, perhaps, not representative of what the majority of people are undergoing; nevertheless, for a year now I myself have been unable to travel, to visit people who need a word of comfort. In the presence of a true pandemic, I would have no problem accepting willingly the decisions of the civil and ecclesiastical authorities because I would recognize their desire to protect people from contagion. But in order for there to be a pandemic, it requires, first of all, isolating the virus; it requires that the virus is serious and that it is not possible to cure it promptly; it requires that the victims of the virus represent a large segment of the population. We know instead that SARS-CoV-2 was never isolated but only sequenced; that it is able to be cured over time, using available treatments, and that instead the WHO and local health officials have boycotted such treatments by imposing absurd protocols and experimental vaccines; that the number of deceased people in 2020 is absolutely in line with the median number of deceased from the preceding years. These data are now admitted by the scientific community, even though the media remain conspiratorially silent about them.

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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #25 on: March 11, 2021, 01:15:59 PM »
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  • No the covid virus has never been isolated and it will never will.  It is a fraud.

    The meaning of COVID:    Certification of Vaccine I.D.   You cannot isolate a  SYNONYM.


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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #26 on: May 09, 2021, 09:06:42 PM »
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  • 53 health/science institutions globally have all failed to provide or cite any record of "SARS-COV-2" isolation/purification, by anyone, anywhere, ever - because 
    "THE VIRUS" DOESN'T EXIST.
    https://twitter.com/ChrisMasseyFOIs/status/1385679940054659073

    shortened link:
    https://bit.ly/3evKDNa
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #27 on: May 10, 2021, 05:18:08 AM »
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  • I know it's hearsay, but according to Dr. Dolores Cahill, anti covide scientist here in Ireland, it was isolated in Iceland a good few months ago.

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    Re: Did They Isolate the Virus?
    « Reply #28 on: May 10, 2021, 07:53:04 AM »
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  • I know it's hearsay, but according to Dr. Dolores Cahill, anti CÖVÌDe scientist here in Ireland, it was isolated in Iceland a good few months ago.
    Short sequences of generic corona "virus" have been completed with computer models to create a (virtual) viral strand, but no complete purified virus has been found. New media descriptions are stating the virus is way too small to even be seen on microscope ( I presume electron). How convenient!

    ( Dr Leonard Coldwell has put up a $1.2 million  reward for proof of an isolated virus and it has gone unclaimed for over a year, not even a bite.)