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  • CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnє may not work in older people, experts say

    ORONTO -- A ναccιnє against CÖVÌD-19 may not be as effective in older people who are most at risk of suffering complications and dying from the disease, according to U.K. researchers.
    However, some experts say immunizing those around the elderly may help protect them.
    Speaking at the House of Lords science and technology committee in London, U.K., researchers said targeting different groups in the population with ναccιnєs should be more closely studied as the world races to develop a ναccιnє for the novel cσɾσnαvιɾυs.


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    "Sometimes it is possible to protect a vulnerable group by targeting another group and this, for example, is being done with influenza. In the past few years, the U.K. has been at the forefront of rolling out the live attenuated ναccιnє for children," Prof. Peter Openshaw from Imperial College London said at the committee hearing earlier this week.
    Openshaw said administering the seasonal nasal spray flu ναccιnє to children who do not often get severe influenza helps protect their grandparents, for example.
    The same could be said for CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnє, he added.
    Dr. Eleanor Fish, an immunology professor at the University of Toronto, told CTVNews.ca that a cσɾσnαvιɾυs ναccιnє may not work on the elderly because their immune systems are "not as robust" as those of younger people.
    "If you are immunocompromised or if there is any way your immune system is weaker than it should be, then your body might not have the ability to adequately respond to the ναccιnє," Fish explained in a telephone interview on Wednesday.
    When considering the seasonal flu shot, Fish said the elderly are typically given a larger dose of the flu ναccιnє so their immune systems have a better chance of recognizing and responding to the ναccιnє.
    However, she warns that there are still a lot of unknowns in regards to a CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnє.
    "We don't know that if any of the ναccιnєs being developed are going to be effective. We don't know whether... the key antibodies and the neutralizing antibodies are going to be effective against the virus," Fish said
    "But if we assume that there is going to be an effective ναccιnє [for] healthy adults and presume that healthy adults take the ναccιnє, there is still the potential that the ναccιnє my not prompt a response in the elderly."
    While some of the cσɾσnαvιɾυs ναccιnє candidates are showing promising results, U.K. scientists said more research needs to be done to understand what goes wrong with the immune system as people get older that makes them more susceptible to communicable diseases.
    Arne Akbar, professor of immunology at University College London and president of the British Society of Immunology, said at the hearing that a better understand of an aging immune system is not just important for CÖVÌD-19, but for other diseases as well.
    "One thing that’s apparent, even in healthy older people, is that there’s more inflammation all around the body. We need to understand where that inflammation is coming from," Akbar said. "And this baseline inflammation in older people is linked to frailty and many negative outcomes as we get older. And this seems to be exacerbated when you get a severe infection like CÖVÌD-19."
    "But what is the source of the inflammation in the first place? That's something that we really need to get to grips with," he added.
    Fish said in order for a CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnє to work in older people, they may need a higher dosage of the ναccιnє, require additional booster shots every couple months or have to use it in combination with another treatment.
    It is unclear who will be the first to get the ναccιnєs, but the ones most at risk of getting infected would likely be inoculated first, according to Kerry Bowman, a clinical ethicist at the University of Toronto.
    Bowman said Wednesday that health-care workers, other first responders, and the elderly could be among the first.
    However, given that older people's immune systems are weaker, Bowman said it may be more effective to ναccιnαte everyone who may come into contact with the elderly.
    "What can be done is to immediately create a protective zone around older people… Make sure that people working in long-term care facilities are immediately ναccιnαted so that you're protecting those older people. And then families that have older people that they're caring for or visiting regularly," Bowman said in a phone interview with CTVNews.ca.
    While this could help protect the elderly, Fish said it will only be successful if the ναccιnє is effective.
    "We have to be confident that we have a ναccιnє that's 100 per cent effective so you can build that wall of immunity," Fish said. "Until we know what's going on with the ναccιnє and how effective it is, we don’t know for sure how it will impact the elderly."
    Bowman said of those ναccιnєs that are moving towards human trials, none are using older people in their research because of the potential risks.
    When Canada gets a ναccιnє, Bowman said the demand will be high and there will be ethical questions about who will get it first.
    "If we get a ναccιnє, it'll be helpful but it may not be helpful for some of the most vulnerable people," Bowman said.
    It is not yet known what level of immune response will be required to protect humans against CÖVÌD-19, but Fish said developing ναccιnєs to fight the virus is still important.
    "Imagine if we have one or two ναccιnєs in the next 6 months? That will change the face of CÖVÌD-19 regardless of who takes it," Fish said.

    Brooklyn Neustaeter CTVNews.ca Writer
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    Published Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:32PM EDT Last Updated Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:34PM EDT

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-may-not-work-in-older-people-experts-say-1.4997928


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    Re: CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnє may not work in older people, experts say
    « Reply #1 on: January 17, 2021, 12:46:15 PM »
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  • Already in Colorado older people 60 years and older have died in assisted living centers have died after taking the vaccine.


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    Re: CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnє may not work in older people, experts say
    « Reply #2 on: January 19, 2021, 01:01:22 PM »
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  • From the LA Times Why nursing home patients will get CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnєs first - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com) Real headline:

    COVID-19 vaccines may not work on nursing home patients. Is it worth the risk to try anyway?
    "If ναccιnєs for diseases like the flu are any guide, the new CÖVÌD-19 shots may not be particularly effective in nursing home residents. The aging immune system is notoriously difficult to rouse with ναccιnєs".
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    Re: CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnє may not work in older people, experts say
    « Reply #3 on: January 19, 2021, 05:36:00 PM »
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  • The plan is to rid the country of senior citizens and anyone that remembers America what is use to be.  And use that social
    security money to bring in immigrants and migrants that will be loyal to the state because of the free handouts.

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    Re: CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnє may not work in older people, experts say
    « Reply #4 on: January 19, 2021, 06:29:55 PM »
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  • First search did not turn it up, but finally found it.  Thank you, OP.




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    Re: CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnє may not work in older people, experts say
    « Reply #5 on: January 19, 2021, 06:38:30 PM »
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  • Continuing, from the same article:

    "Retired from active life, they are on the receiving end of medical care. Indeed, they are so medically fragile that some fear the vaccine itself could hasten their demise.
    If vaccines for diseases like the flu are any guide, the new COVID-19 shots may not be particularly effective in nursing home residents. The aging immune system is notoriously difficult to rouse with vaccines.
    Neither of the first two COVID-19 vaccines likely to win emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration — one from the pharmaceutical giant Pfizer and the other from a start-up named Moderna — has been studied in the kinds of very elderly, very frail patients who populate long-term care facilities. (In clinical trials largely involving thousands of younger, healthier adults, they’ve been shown to be more than 90% effective.)

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    Re: CÖVÌD-19 ναccιnє may not work in older people, experts say
    « Reply #6 on: January 24, 2021, 12:45:34 PM »
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  • https://principia-scientific.com/181-dead-so-far-from-us-covid-vaccine/

    The largest amount of deaths occurred in people over the age of 75.

    There was at least one death recorded of an unborn baby dying just after the mother received an experimental mRNA Pfizer shot while pregnant:
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    I was 28 weeks and 5 days pregnant when I received the first dose of the COVID19 vaccine. Two days later (12/25/2020 in the afternoon), I noticed decreased motion of the baby.
    The baby was found to not have a heartbeat in the early am on 12/26/2020 and I delivered a 2lb 7oz nonviable female fetus at 29 weeks gestation. (Source.)
    As we have previously reported here at Health Impact News, the guidelines for emergency use of the experimental mRNA Pfizer injection in the UK warned pregnant women, and women planning to soon become pregnant, to NOT get the experimental jab.
    But the FDA guidelines issued in the U.S. for the same experimental Pfizer injection did not include such warnings. See: