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Offline RomanCatholic1953

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COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
« on: April 05, 2020, 10:28:17 AM »
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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #1 on: April 05, 2020, 10:52:55 AM »
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  • COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/05/covid19-death-figures-a-substantial-over-estimate/

    It's just plain wrong to include those who have died, but not been tested for CV, in the official numbers of CV deaths.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #2 on: April 05, 2020, 07:41:28 PM »
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  • It's just plain wrong to include those who have died, but not been tested for CV, in the official numbers of CV deaths.
    Proves that there is a globalist plan behind this exaggerated pandemic. It is very well organized and planned out.
    And unfortunately it has worked.  People are now in locked step behind their plans, and there are a very few
    that dare question it. Now if you question the pandemic you are now labeled a "Covid-19 denier".
    They could not carry this out unless they control the mass media, and the central bank that can print
    worthless bank notes to infinity, and buy the experts out and spread a false crisis.

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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #3 on: April 05, 2020, 10:35:54 PM »
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  • Hmm...


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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #4 on: April 06, 2020, 07:11:07 AM »
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  • Hmm...


    Very good observation, thanks and God Bless.

    Just to add an observation: the stats I pulled about 10 days ago from Google, had pneumonia and influenza grouped as one cause of death, like they can't tell them apart? (see it below)

    Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

    Heart disease: 647,457
    Cancer: 599,108
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
    Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
    Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
    Diabetes: 83,564
    Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
    Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
    Intentional self-harm (ѕυιcιdє): 47,173



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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #5 on: April 06, 2020, 02:12:10 PM »
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  • We had a very mild winter this year so that could account the low numbers of pneumonia and flu deaths this year.  And I also note that the numbers were very low for the whole winter not just in February.  And it doesn't look like they have March yet.  But in any case, the number of deaths for all causes will be the most interesting number since it would tell us if there is a significant increase in overall mortality at the peak of the crisis.  Something that we won't know for at least another month.  But the EuroMoMo numbers do show that for March, the EU did see an unusual increase in mortality but not anything dramatic.  Just a noticeable uptick over and above what would be expected for this time of year.  More evidence that the health threat is real.  But not exactly a justification for a near complete shutdown of the entire world economy.  However, the country that came closest so far to ignoring the threat has the highest death toll in the world (Italy).  Every other country that has avoided disaster, locked down.  So maybe the lockdown approach is working?

    Also, consider this: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/doubts-raised-about-reported-drop-nyc-deaths-hardest-and-saddest-week-our-lives-begins  (scroll down to the section where they cover tweets by Dr. Andrea Feigl; you can search for feigl).  Basically, people are dying of respiratory illness before they can be tested.  So there is some question if those are being reported correctly.

    Also, consider this: https://www.zerohedge.com/health/if-lockdown-needless-over-reaction-then-why-did-china-lockdown-half-its-economy

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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #6 on: April 06, 2020, 02:36:37 PM »
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  • https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heart-damage-in-covid-patients-puzzles-doctors/

    No worries about the dropping numbers of deaths from COVID19- just add a new symptom, a REALLY big symptom like heart disease and heart attack and you've just added a few hundred thousand to the yearly death rate.
    That was convenient!
    The death certificates will all have COVID19 as the primary cause of death even if you've had CAD for years.
    ( This article was on Drudge this morning but it was already pulled)

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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #7 on: April 06, 2020, 02:43:39 PM »
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  • Is Dr. Fauci an "Italian" Jєω? His phenotype is rather Jєωy than Italian. Can anyone shed some light on this creep?


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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #8 on: April 06, 2020, 02:48:05 PM »
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  • ... there is a significant increase in overall mortality at the peak of the crisis.  Something that we won't know for at least another month.  ... But not exactly a justification for a near complete shutdown of the entire world economy.  
    For England, at least: 


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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #9 on: April 06, 2020, 03:49:57 PM »
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  • For England, at least:

    And from the same source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877621/Weekly_all_cause_mortality_surveillance_week_14_2020_report.pdf

    Conclusion: "In week 13 2020, statistically significant excess all-cause mortality by week of death was observed overall and in the 65+ year olds in England, through the EuroMOMO algorithm."

    I note that your data was 2 weeks old.

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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #10 on: April 06, 2020, 03:52:13 PM »
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  • Is Dr. Fauci an "Italian" Jєω? His phenotype is rather Jєωy than Italian. Can anyone shed some light on this creep?

    That speaks volumes about your character.


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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #11 on: April 06, 2020, 04:00:45 PM »
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  • https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heart-damage-in-covid-patients-puzzles-doctors/

    No worries about the dropping numbers of deaths from COVID19- just add a new symptom, a REALLY big symptom like heart disease and heart attack and you've just added a few hundred thousand to the yearly death rate.
    That was convenient!
    The death certificates will all have COVID19 as the primary cause of death even if you've had CAD for years.
    ( This article was on Drudge this morning but it was already pulled)

    From the article you posted:

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    Doctors have long known that any serious medical event, even something as straightforward as hip surgery, can create enough stress to damage the heart. Moreover, a condition like pneumonia can cause widespread inflammation in the body. That, in turn, can lead to plaque in arteries becoming unstable, causing heart attacks. Inflammation can also cause a condition known as myocarditis, which can lead to the weakening of the heart muscle and, ultimately, heart failure.

    But Bonow said the damage observed in COVID-19 patients could be from the virus directly infecting the heart muscle. Initial research suggests the coronavirus attaches to certain receptors in the lungs, and those same receptors are found in heart muscle as well.

    Did you even read the article?  It doesn't support your assertions in any way.  Making s*** up is not acceptable behavior for anyone, never mind a traditional Catholic.  Get a grip.  Call your priest for advice.

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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #12 on: April 06, 2020, 04:17:11 PM »
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  • But Bonow said the damage observed in COVID-19 patients could be from the virus directly infecting the heart muscle. Initial research suggests the coronavirus attaches to certain receptors in the lungs, and those same receptors are found in heart muscle as well.

    Yes, I read it! Here is a quote you selected- " could be" from the virus infecting the heart- and I "could be" Queen Esther. Come on. It's just another planted article trying to connect a major cause of death to the Corona virus.  Pretty soon if you have the "heartbreak" of psoriasis it will be a co-morbidity of COVID19.

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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #13 on: April 06, 2020, 04:27:08 PM »
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  • As an old ER and ICU nurse, Any virus can cause a myocarditis. In most people it can be a common cold, and in another a meningitis and in another, a heart issue.  There is usually no direct relationship or corrolation. It is a pretty random event.

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    Re: COVID-19 Death Figures "A Substantial Over-Estimate"
    « Reply #14 on: April 06, 2020, 04:31:49 PM »
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  • And from the same source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877621/Weekly_all_cause_mortality_surveillance_week_14_2020_report.pdf

    Conclusion: "In week 13 2020, statistically significant excess all-cause mortality by week of death was observed overall and in the 65+ year olds in England, through the EuroMOMO algorithm."

    I note that your data was 2 weeks old.

    Recent EuroMOMO data has been posted on cathinfo. Conclusion: Recents weeks in England show significantly fewer deaths than corresponding weeks in 2018 and 2017.

    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)