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Comply or Die!
« on: January 20, 2022, 10:20:35 AM »
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    • [NOTE: This hospital is the one we would be taken to if we ever needed 911  ER services.  It’s only 10 miles from my house.]

    [They’re talking about it on the Glen Beck show right now]

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/19/minnesota-wife-lawsuit-hospital-husband-covid/


    Doctors planned to take a covid patient off a ventilator. With 48 hours’ notice, his wife got a judge to stop them.
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    By Jonathan Edwards


    Yesterday at 7:39 a.m. EST



    Doctors told Anne Quiner last Tuesday — over her vehement objections — that they would take her husband off the ventilator she believed was keeping him alive. They planned to do it at noon Thursday.
    Quiner had 48 hours to save her husband and would need almost all of them.
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    The next day, she sued Mercy Hospital, where doctors in the Coon Rapids, Minn., ICU had been treating her 55-year-old husband, Scott Quiner, for covid-19 for more than two months, according to court docuмents and a GoFundMe page set up to raise money for his medical care.

    Her plea was simple: “Absent an Order from the court restraining Defendant Mercy hospital from turning off the ventilator, my husband will die.”
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    On Thursday, a judge signed just such an order. It came down at 10:34 a.m. — handing Quiner a victory with 1 hour 26 minutes to spare.
    Quiner, who did not immediately respond to a message from The Washington Post, has since flown her husband to a hospital in Texas that agreed to care for him. Quiner’s lawyer, Marjorie Holsten, told The Post in an email that Scott Quiner’s new doctors have fed and hydrated him on top of giving him “the right kinds of medications that Mercy would not provide.” Holsten alleges that Quiner did not receive adequate nutrition while on the ventilator and lost 30 pounds as a result.
    On Tuesday, Quiner was communicating with people by blinking, nodding and squeezing their hands, Holsten added.
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    “He is recovering, though has a long road ahead,” she said in the email, which did not specify which hospital was caring for him or which medications he had been prescribed.
    It is unclear why doctors at Mercy wanted to take Quiner off the ventilator. A spokesperson for Allina Health, which runs Mercy Hospital, declined to talk about Quiner’s treatment there, citing patient privacy, but defended its medical care generally.
    “Allina Health has great confidence in the exceptional care provided to our patients, which is administered according to evidence-based practices by our talented and compassionate medical teams,” the spokesperson said in an email to The Post. “Allina Health continues to wish the patient and family well.”
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    Scott Quiner was unvaccinated when he tested positive for the novel coronavirus on Oct. 30, according to the StarTribune and the GoFundMe page. At first, he was admitted to a hospital in Waconia, a city southwest of Minneapolis. When his oxygen levels did not improve, doctors put him on a ventilator and transferred him on Nov. 6 to Mercy Hospital’s ICU, where he remained for more than two months.
    On Jan. 11, doctors told Anne Quiner they would take her husband off the ventilator at noon two days later, she said in court docuмents. As his medical representative, she said she “strongly objected.”
    The next day, Quiner filed a petition in state court seeking a temporary restraining order to prevent doctors from turning off the ventilator. A judge granted it Jan. 13 about an hour and a half before doctors planned to do so, court records show.
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    On Saturday, Scott Quiner was flown to the Texas hospital, Holsten told The Post. The doctor who first saw Quiner there described him as “the most malnourished patient he had ever seen,” she said.
    Holsten told KMSP that Scott Quiner’s recovery and the publicity around his case will force hospitals to provide better medical care to their patients.
    “The world is watching what’s going on with Scott,” she told KMSP. “I’m hoping that changes are going to be made as a result of this case.”



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    Re: Comply or Die!
    « Reply #1 on: January 20, 2022, 10:24:31 AM »
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    • Daughter is talking about the abuse she received from hospital staff, turning family against her for refusing to sign DNR, hiring big-time law firm to fight family’s restraining order to execute father.

    Patient made immediate and significant improvements once transferred to TX hospital.

    Texas doctor says patient was grossly malnourished because of MN hospital’s horrendous covid protocols.

    Glen Beck show saying if he would have been Vaxed, he would have received better treatment, instead of marked for execution.
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    Re: Comply or Die!
    « Reply #2 on: January 20, 2022, 09:03:39 PM »
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    • Another example:


    Unvaccinated man denied kidney transplant due to jab status despite recovering from COVID
    A Virginia man said he may be facing death after UVA Transplant Center dropped him from a transplant list for refusing vaccination, but he said he'd rather die from kidney failure than get the shot.
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    CHARLOTTESVILLE, Virginia (LifeSiteNews) – A Virginia man with kidney failure who has already recovered from COVID-19 was kicked off a kidney transplant list for refusing to get vaccinated.
    Shamgar Connors, who suffers from stage five kidney failure and is on dialysis every day, told Newsmax last week that UVA Transplant Center removed him from the active kidney transplant list because of his vaccine status. He had been on the list for three years.



    During a phone call that Connors provided to Newsmax, a doctor at the transplant center described his refusal to get jabbed as a “deal breaker” for his medical care and shot down his request to apply for a religious exemption.
    “Our policy is if you … in order to have people active on the transplant list and get a transplant you need to be fully vaccinated,” she said. “You don’t want to move forward?”
    “I’d rather die of kidney failure,” Connors answered.
    “Ok, so this may be, I mean this may be a crossroads at your evaluation because … there’s not going to be any exception to that. The science is pretty clear on the vaccine,” the doctor said.
    “I just had COVID and I got over it. I’m not scared of it,” Connors responded. “Like, you have a 99.9997 percent chance to survive.”
    “And that’s all pretty inaccurate data,” the doctor claimed. “But it is obviously your choice. But it’s not your choice if you want to be active on the list.”
    Removal from the active waiting list means that even if someone offered Connors a kidney, he would not be able to undergo a transplant.
    When Connors asked about a religious exemption to the vaccine requirement, the doctor told him that the transplant center doesn’t offer them. “This could be, you know, could be a deal breaker, but, you know, you never know what’s going to shake out,” she said.
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    But without a new kidney, Connors may not live more than a few years, he said. “I mean, my condition won’t get any better, that’s what I’m told by the doctor,” he told Newsmax host Grant Stinchfield. “So unless I get a kidney transplant, yeah, the only alternative is death.”
    “And I’ve already been on the wait list three years, maybe more than that actually. And so now I’d have to start all over somewhere else, so most likely by the time a kidney would come up which is for me – O positive blood – six or seven years is what they tell me the wait time is. I might not be alive by then.”
    Data has shown that organ transplant recipients with prior infection have stronger protection against COVID-19 than vaccinated patients. A studypublished last month by Canadian researchers reported that unvaccinated transplant patients who recovered from COVID mounted more robust T-cell responses to the virus compared with patients after mRNA vaccination.
    COVID-19 infection provides effective immunity to the virus, according to a wealth of studies, including one published this week by the CDC, which found that unvaccinated people with naturally acquired immunity fared better than the vaccinated during the delta wave last year. Only 0.003 percent of unvaccinated Californians with a prior infection were hospitalized with COVID between May and November 2021, the study related.
    Other research indicates that natural immunity continues to offer significant protection against hospitalization and death with 0micron, which is milder than past variants.
    “After hearing this lady speak to me, I don’t believe that any of these people are qualified to be doctors,” Connors told Stinchfield. “I have natural immunity now. Why would I get a vaccine now for something I’m immune to?”
    “What’s worse is, you know, you can hear the lady’s voice, she has no empathy whatsoever,” he said. “And what makes me the most sick about it is when I came home and told my wife this, you know, she just burst into tears because she’s in health care. She knows how serious this is, and it’s just, it’s really, it’s just disgusting.”
    “But I think they should be held accountable because there’s other people that are even worse off and more sick than me that probably could use some kind of kidney, liver, lung, whatever. And they’re all being denied over nothing.”
    Unvaccinated people have faced barriers to organs transplants across the United States in recent months, including in Colorado, where multiple hospitals have denied care to patients without jabs. Other health care systems requiring COVID vaccination for transplants include UW Medicine in Washington, Ohio’s University Hospitals, and the Cleveland Clinic.


    The Australian state of Queensland has also barredthe unvaccinated from organ transplants.
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    Re: Comply or Die!
    « Reply #3 on: January 20, 2022, 09:05:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 20, 2022, 10:20:35 AM
    [NOTE: This hospital is the one we would be taken to if we ever needed 911  ER services.  It’s only 10 miles from my house.]

    [They’re talking about it on the Glen Beck show right now]

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/19/minnesota-wife-lawsuit-hospital-husband-covid/


    Doctors planned to take a covid patient off a ventilator. With 48 hours’ notice, his wife got a judge to stop them.
    Listen to article
    3 min


    By Jonathan Edwards


    Yesterday at 7:39 a.m. EST



    Doctors told Anne Quiner last Tuesday — over her vehement objections — that they would take her husband off the ventilator she believed was keeping him alive. They planned to do it at noon Thursday.
    Quiner had 48 hours to save her husband and would need almost all of them.
    Get the full experience.Choose your plan
    The next day, she sued Mercy Hospital, where doctors in the Coon Rapids, Minn., ICU had been treating her 55-year-old husband, Scott Quiner, for covid-19 for more than two months, according to court docuмents and a GoFundMe page set up to raise money for his medical care.

    Her plea was simple: “Absent an Order from the court restraining Defendant Mercy hospital from turning off the ventilator, my husband will die.”
    Story continues below advertisement


    On Thursday, a judge signed just such an order. It came down at 10:34 a.m. — handing Quiner a victory with 1 hour 26 minutes to spare.
    Quiner, who did not immediately respond to a message from The Washington Post, has since flown her husband to a hospital in Texas that agreed to care for him. Quiner’s lawyer, Marjorie Holsten, told The Post in an email that Scott Quiner’s new doctors have fed and hydrated him on top of giving him “the right kinds of medications that Mercy would not provide.” Holsten alleges that Quiner did not receive adequate nutrition while on the ventilator and lost 30 pounds as a result.
    On Tuesday, Quiner was communicating with people by blinking, nodding and squeezing their hands, Holsten added.
    Story continues below advertisement



    “He is recovering, though has a long road ahead,” she said in the email, which did not specify which hospital was caring for him or which medications he had been prescribed.
    It is unclear why doctors at Mercy wanted to take Quiner off the ventilator. A spokesperson for Allina Health, which runs Mercy Hospital, declined to talk about Quiner’s treatment there, citing patient privacy, but defended its medical care generally.
    “Allina Health has great confidence in the exceptional care provided to our patients, which is administered according to evidence-based practices by our talented and compassionate medical teams,” the spokesperson said in an email to The Post. “Allina Health continues to wish the patient and family well.”
    Story continues below advertisement






    Scott Quiner was unvaccinated when he tested positive for the novel coronavirus on Oct. 30, according to the StarTribune and the GoFundMe page. At first, he was admitted to a hospital in Waconia, a city southwest of Minneapolis. When his oxygen levels did not improve, doctors put him on a ventilator and transferred him on Nov. 6 to Mercy Hospital’s ICU, where he remained for more than two months.
    On Jan. 11, doctors told Anne Quiner they would take her husband off the ventilator at noon two days later, she said in court docuмents. As his medical representative, she said she “strongly objected.”
    The next day, Quiner filed a petition in state court seeking a temporary restraining order to prevent doctors from turning off the ventilator. A judge granted it Jan. 13 about an hour and a half before doctors planned to do so, court records show.
    Story continues below advertisement






    On Saturday, Scott Quiner was flown to the Texas hospital, Holsten told The Post. The doctor who first saw Quiner there described him as “the most malnourished patient he had ever seen,” she said.
    Holsten told KMSP that Scott Quiner’s recovery and the publicity around his case will force hospitals to provide better medical care to their patients.
    “The world is watching what’s going on with Scott,” she told KMSP. “I’m hoping that changes are going to be made as a result of this case.”

    Another reason to move to Texas....
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    Re: Comply or Die!
    « Reply #4 on: January 20, 2022, 09:05:41 PM »
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    • Sean, do they have to kill you personally before you understand what the "health system" is about? Are you denying reality like Mark 79 does? Didn't the past 2 years show everything? Is it necessary to explain reality to you?
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    Re: Comply or Die!
    « Reply #5 on: January 20, 2022, 09:10:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
    Sean, do they have to kill you personally before you understand what the "health system" is about? Are you denying reality like Mike 79 does? Didn't the past 2 years show everything? Is it necessary to explain reality to you?
    I recently needed an xray and had to go to the hospital for it.  While doing paperwork the woman asked me if I have a living will.  I replied, "No, I want to live."  She laughed, but then, with the most serious face I have ever seen, said I was correct.
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    Re: Comply or Die!
    « Reply #6 on: January 20, 2022, 09:13:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
    Sean, do they have to kill you personally before you understand what the "health system" is about? Are you denying reality like Mark 79 does? Didn't the past 2 years show everything? Is it necessary to explain reality to you?

    I’m curious as to what you think you’re reading from me which causes you to think I’m ignorant of “what the health system is about.”
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    « Reply #7 on: January 20, 2022, 09:15:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 20, 2022, 09:13:45 PM
    I’m curious as to what you think you’re reading from me which causes you to think I’m ignorant of “what the health system is about.”

    Your postings in this thread look to me like you were surprised. Even like you would want a kidney transplant, In case they'd recommend it.
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    Re: Comply or Die!
    « Reply #8 on: January 20, 2022, 09:17:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:15:15 PM
    Your postings in this thread look to me like you were surprised. Even like you would want a kidney transplant, In case they'd recommend it.

    Nope: Spreading the news.  And I don’t use kidneys.
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    « Reply #9 on: January 20, 2022, 09:19:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 20, 2022, 09:17:15 PM
    Nope: Spreading the news.  And I don’t use kidneys.


    How about blowing up the places where they distribute kidneys?
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    Re: Comply or Die!
    « Reply #10 on: January 20, 2022, 09:27:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
    Sean, do they have to kill you personally before you understand what the "health system" is about? Are you denying reality like Mark 79 does? Didn't the past 2 years show everything? Is it necessary to explain reality to you?
    What reality do I deny?
    That it was "cooties" that nearly killed me?
    May God give you exactly what you deserve, sociopath.
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    « Reply #11 on: January 20, 2022, 09:40:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 20, 2022, 09:27:36 PM
    What reality do I deny?
    That it was "cooties" that nearly killed me?
    May God give you exactly what you deserve, sociopath.


    You believe that modern medicine is scientific.

    And, as you express in this quoted post, you believe that critics of that "science" are "sociopaths'.

    May God give you exactly what you deserve. No, may God have mercy on you.
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    « Reply #12 on: January 20, 2022, 09:48:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:40:18 PM

    You believe that modern medicine is scientific.

    And, as you express in this quoted post, you believe that critics of that "science" are "sociopaths'.

    May God give you exactly what you deserve. No, may God have mercy on you.

    I believe that modern medicine has tumbled into a pit and, despite that, there are still many physicians, nurses, and others who still do their best for others.

    I am published criticizing junk science.

    I think your most telling moments are when, caught in your utter lack of empathy, you can't even fake empathy.

    I think you are likely a sociopath. You seem like the kind of creature who would push little old ladies out of their wheelchairs if you thought you could get away with it.

    I may repent it later, but right now I do hope God gives you exactly what you deserve.
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    « Reply #13 on: January 20, 2022, 09:51:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 20, 2022, 09:48:21 PM
    I believe that modern medicine has tumbled into a pit and, despite that, there are still many physicians, nurses, and others who still do their best for others.

    I think your most telling moments are when, caught in your utter lack of empathy, you can't even fake empathy.

    I think you are likely a sociopath.

    I may repent it later, but right now I do hope God gives you exactly what you deserve.

    I don't claim to show empathy with more recent or less recent names used to in medical diagnoses. If you feel worse because I reject newer names, your problem!

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    Re: Comply or Die!
    « Reply #14 on: January 20, 2022, 09:58:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:51:56 PM
    I don't claim to show empathy with more recent or less recent names used to in medical diagnoses. If you feel worse because I reject newer names, your problem!

    If you insulted only me, I'd laugh it off as personal conflict, but you inflict your pathology on several others. That is telling. Your gift for manipulative words can't hide that you show no empathy, remorse, or shame. You just double-down on your cruelty, sociopath.
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