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Title: Comply or Die!
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 20, 2022, 10:20:35 AM
[NOTE: This hospital is the one we would be taken to if we ever needed 911  ER services.  It’s only 10 miles from my house.]

[They’re talking about it on the Glen Beck show right now]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/19/minnesota-wife-lawsuit-hospital-husband-covid/


Doctors planned to take a covid patient off a ventilator. With 48 hours’ notice, his wife got a judge to stop them.
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By Jonathan Edwards (https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/jonathan-edwards/)


Yesterday at 7:39 a.m. EST



Doctors told Anne Quiner last Tuesday — over her vehement objections — that they would take her husband off the ventilator she believed was keeping him alive. They planned to do it at noon Thursday.
Quiner had 48 hours to save her husband and would need almost all of them.
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The next day, she sued Mercy Hospital, where doctors in the Coon Rapids, Minn., ICU had been treating her 55-year-old husband, Scott Quiner, for covid-19 for more than two months, according to court docuмents and a GoFundMe page (https://www.gofundme.com/f/scott-quiners-medical-relief-fund) set up to raise money for his medical care.

Her plea was simple: “Absent an Order from the court restraining Defendant Mercy hospital from turning off the ventilator, my husband will die.”
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On Thursday, a judge signed just such an order. It came down at 10:34 a.m. — handing Quiner a victory with 1 hour 26 minutes to spare.
Quiner, who did not immediately respond to a message from The Washington Post, has since flown her husband to a hospital in Texas that agreed to care for him. Quiner’s lawyer, Marjorie Holsten, told The Post in an email that Scott Quiner’s new doctors have fed and hydrated him on top of giving him “the right kinds of medications that Mercy would not provide.” Holsten alleges that Quiner did not receive adequate nutrition while on the ventilator and lost 30 pounds as a result.
On Tuesday, Quiner was communicating with people by blinking, nodding and squeezing their hands, Holsten added.
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“He is recovering, though has a long road ahead,” she said in the email, which did not specify which hospital was caring for him or which medications he had been prescribed.
It is unclear why doctors at Mercy wanted to take Quiner off the ventilator. A spokesperson for Allina Health, which runs Mercy Hospital, declined to talk about Quiner’s treatment there, citing patient privacy, but defended its medical care generally.
“Allina Health has great confidence in the exceptional care provided to our patients, which is administered according to evidence-based practices by our talented and compassionate medical teams,” the spokesperson said in an email to The Post. “Allina Health continues to wish the patient and family well.”
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Scott Quiner was unvaccinated when he tested positive for the novel coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_19) on Oct. 30, according to the StarTribune (https://www.startribune.com/mercy-hospital-covid-patient-at-center-of-lawsuit-moved-to-facility-in-texas/600136714/?refresh=true) and the GoFundMe page (https://www.gofundme.com/f/scott-quiners-medical-relief-fund). At first, he was admitted to a hospital in Waconia, a city southwest of Minneapolis. When his oxygen levels did not improve, doctors put him on a ventilator and transferred him on Nov. 6 to Mercy Hospital’s ICU, where he remained for more than two months.
On Jan. 11, doctors told Anne Quiner they would take her husband off the ventilator at noon two days later, she said in court docuмents. As his medical representative, she said she “strongly objected.”
The next day, Quiner filed a petition in state court seeking a temporary restraining order to prevent doctors from turning off the ventilator. A judge granted it Jan. 13 about an hour and a half before doctors planned to do so, court records show.
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On Saturday, Scott Quiner was flown to the Texas hospital, Holsten told The Post. The doctor who first saw Quiner there described him as “the most malnourished patient he had ever seen,” she said.
Holsten told KMSP (https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-man-battling-covid-19-moved-to-texas-hospital-after-ventilator-lawsuit) that Scott Quiner’s recovery and the publicity around his case will force hospitals to provide better medical care to their patients.
“The world is watching what’s going on with Scott,” she told KMSP (https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-man-battling-covid-19-moved-to-texas-hospital-after-ventilator-lawsuit). “I’m hoping that changes are going to be made as a result of this case.”



Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 20, 2022, 10:24:31 AM
Daughter is talking about the abuse she received from hospital staff, turning family against her for refusing to sign DNR, hiring big-time law firm to fight family’s restraining order to execute father.

Patient made immediate and significant improvements once transferred to TX hospital.

Texas doctor says patient was grossly malnourished because of MN hospital’s horrendous covid protocols.

Glen Beck show saying if he would have been Vaxed, he would have received better treatment, instead of marked for execution.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 20, 2022, 09:03:39 PM
Another example:


Unvaccinated man denied kidney transplant due to jab status despite recovering from COVID

A Virginia man said he may be facing death after UVA Transplant Center dropped him from a transplant list for refusing vaccination, but he said he'd rather die from kidney failure than get the shot.
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CHARLOTTESVILLE, Virginia (LifeSiteNews (https://lifesitenews.com/)) – A Virginia man with kidney failure who has already recovered from COVID-19 was kicked off a kidney transplant list for refusing to get vaccinated.
Shamgar Connors, who suffers from stage five kidney failure and is on dialysis every day, told Newsmax last week that UVA Transplant Center (https://uvahealth.com/locations/profile/transplant-center) removed him from the active kidney transplant list because of his vaccine status. He had been on the list for three years.

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During a phone call that Connors provided to Newsmax, a doctor at the transplant center described his refusal to get jabbed as a “deal breaker” for his medical care and shot down his request to apply for a religious exemption.
“Our policy is if you … in order to have people active on the transplant list and get a transplant you need to be fully vaccinated,” she said. “You don’t want to move forward?”
“I’d rather die of kidney failure,” Connors answered.
“Ok, so this may be, I mean this may be a crossroads at your evaluation because … there’s not going to be any exception to that. The science is pretty clear on the vaccine,” the doctor said.
“I just had COVID and I got over it. I’m not scared of it,” Connors responded. “Like, you have a 99.9997 percent chance to survive.”
“And that’s all pretty inaccurate data,” the doctor claimed. “But it is obviously your choice. But it’s not your choice if you want to be active on the list.”
Removal from the active waiting list means that even if someone offered Connors a kidney, he would not be able to undergo a transplant.
When Connors asked about a religious exemption to the vaccine requirement, the doctor told him that the transplant center doesn’t offer them. “This could be, you know, could be a deal breaker, but, you know, you never know what’s going to shake out,” she said.

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But without a new kidney, Connors may not live more than a few years, he said. “I mean, my condition won’t get any better, that’s what I’m told by the doctor,” he told Newsmax host Grant Stinchfield. “So unless I get a kidney transplant, yeah, the only alternative is death.”
“And I’ve already been on the wait list three years, maybe more than that actually. And so now I’d have to start all over somewhere else, so most likely by the time a kidney would come up which is for me – O positive blood – six or seven years is what they tell me the wait time is. I might not be alive by then.”
Data has shown that organ transplant recipients with prior infection have stronger protection against COVID-19 than vaccinated patients. A study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689890/)published last month by Canadian researchers reported that unvaccinated transplant patients who recovered from COVID mounted more robust T-cell responses to the virus compared with patients after mRNA vaccination.
COVID-19 infection provides effective immunity to the virus, according to a wealth of studies (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/here-are-the-studies-that-show-natural-immunity-provides-effective-protection-from-covid-19/), including one published this week by the CDC, which found (https://www.theblaze.com/news/cdc-prior-infection-stronger-immunity) that unvaccinated people with naturally acquired immunity fared better than the vaccinated during the delta wave last year. Only 0.003 percent of unvaccinated Californians with a prior infection were hospitalized with COVID between May and November 2021, the study related.
Other research (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.05.22268782v1.full.pdf) indicates that natural immunity continues to offer significant protection against hospitalization and death with 0micron, which is milder than past variants.
“After hearing this lady speak to me, I don’t believe that any of these people are qualified to be doctors,” Connors told Stinchfield. “I have natural immunity now. Why would I get a vaccine now for something I’m immune to?”
“What’s worse is, you know, you can hear the lady’s voice, she has no empathy whatsoever,” he said. “And what makes me the most sick about it is when I came home and told my wife this, you know, she just burst into tears because she’s in health care. She knows how serious this is, and it’s just, it’s really, it’s just disgusting.”
“But I think they should be held accountable because there’s other people that are even worse off and more sick than me that probably could use some kind of kidney, liver, lung, whatever. And they’re all being denied over nothing.”
Unvaccinated people have faced barriers to organs transplants across the United States in recent months, including in Colorado, where multiple hospitals have denied care (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/texas-welcomes-unvaccinated-colorado-patients-denied-life-saving-organ-transplants/) to patients without jabs. Other health care systems requiring COVID vaccination for transplants include UW Medicine in Washington, Ohio’s University Hospitals, and the Cleveland Clinic.

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The Australian state of Queensland has also barred (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/australian-state-bans-life-saving-organ-transplants-for-the-unvaccinated/)the unvaccinated from organ transplants.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: epiphany on January 20, 2022, 09:05:30 PM
[NOTE: This hospital is the one we would be taken to if we ever needed 911  ER services.  It’s only 10 miles from my house.]

[They’re talking about it on the Glen Beck show right now]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/19/minnesota-wife-lawsuit-hospital-husband-covid/


Doctors planned to take a covid patient off a ventilator. With 48 hours’ notice, his wife got a judge to stop them.
Listen to article
3 min


By Jonathan Edwards (https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/jonathan-edwards/)


Yesterday at 7:39 a.m. EST



Doctors told Anne Quiner last Tuesday — over her vehement objections — that they would take her husband off the ventilator she believed was keeping him alive. They planned to do it at noon Thursday.
Quiner had 48 hours to save her husband and would need almost all of them.
Get the full experience.Choose your plan (https://subscribe.washingtonpost.com/acquisition/?promo=o24_ma&p=s_v&s_l=ONSITE_ARTICLE_MODULE&e=PREVIEW-CHOOSE-PLAN?itid=lk_cta_ssinline)
The next day, she sued Mercy Hospital, where doctors in the Coon Rapids, Minn., ICU had been treating her 55-year-old husband, Scott Quiner, for covid-19 for more than two months, according to court docuмents and a GoFundMe page (https://www.gofundme.com/f/scott-quiners-medical-relief-fund) set up to raise money for his medical care.

Her plea was simple: “Absent an Order from the court restraining Defendant Mercy hospital from turning off the ventilator, my husband will die.”
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On Thursday, a judge signed just such an order. It came down at 10:34 a.m. — handing Quiner a victory with 1 hour 26 minutes to spare.
Quiner, who did not immediately respond to a message from The Washington Post, has since flown her husband to a hospital in Texas that agreed to care for him. Quiner’s lawyer, Marjorie Holsten, told The Post in an email that Scott Quiner’s new doctors have fed and hydrated him on top of giving him “the right kinds of medications that Mercy would not provide.” Holsten alleges that Quiner did not receive adequate nutrition while on the ventilator and lost 30 pounds as a result.
On Tuesday, Quiner was communicating with people by blinking, nodding and squeezing their hands, Holsten added.
Story continues below advertisement



“He is recovering, though has a long road ahead,” she said in the email, which did not specify which hospital was caring for him or which medications he had been prescribed.
It is unclear why doctors at Mercy wanted to take Quiner off the ventilator. A spokesperson for Allina Health, which runs Mercy Hospital, declined to talk about Quiner’s treatment there, citing patient privacy, but defended its medical care generally.
“Allina Health has great confidence in the exceptional care provided to our patients, which is administered according to evidence-based practices by our talented and compassionate medical teams,” the spokesperson said in an email to The Post. “Allina Health continues to wish the patient and family well.”
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Scott Quiner was unvaccinated when he tested positive for the novel coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_19) on Oct. 30, according to the StarTribune (https://www.startribune.com/mercy-hospital-covid-patient-at-center-of-lawsuit-moved-to-facility-in-texas/600136714/?refresh=true) and the GoFundMe page (https://www.gofundme.com/f/scott-quiners-medical-relief-fund). At first, he was admitted to a hospital in Waconia, a city southwest of Minneapolis. When his oxygen levels did not improve, doctors put him on a ventilator and transferred him on Nov. 6 to Mercy Hospital’s ICU, where he remained for more than two months.
On Jan. 11, doctors told Anne Quiner they would take her husband off the ventilator at noon two days later, she said in court docuмents. As his medical representative, she said she “strongly objected.”
The next day, Quiner filed a petition in state court seeking a temporary restraining order to prevent doctors from turning off the ventilator. A judge granted it Jan. 13 about an hour and a half before doctors planned to do so, court records show.
Story continues below advertisement






On Saturday, Scott Quiner was flown to the Texas hospital, Holsten told The Post. The doctor who first saw Quiner there described him as “the most malnourished patient he had ever seen,” she said.
Holsten told KMSP (https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-man-battling-covid-19-moved-to-texas-hospital-after-ventilator-lawsuit) that Scott Quiner’s recovery and the publicity around his case will force hospitals to provide better medical care to their patients.
“The world is watching what’s going on with Scott,” she told KMSP (https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-man-battling-covid-19-moved-to-texas-hospital-after-ventilator-lawsuit). “I’m hoping that changes are going to be made as a result of this case.”

Another reason to move to Texas....
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
Sean, do they have to kill you personally before you understand what the "health system" is about? Are you denying reality like Mark 79 does? Didn't the past 2 years show everything? Is it necessary to explain reality to you?
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: epiphany on January 20, 2022, 09:10:01 PM
Sean, do they have to kill you personally before you understand what the "health system" is about? Are you denying reality like Mike 79 does? Didn't the past 2 years show everything? Is it necessary to explain reality to you?
I recently needed an xray and had to go to the hospital for it.  While doing paperwork the woman asked me if I have a living will.  I replied, "No, I want to live."  She laughed, but then, with the most serious face I have ever seen, said I was correct.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 20, 2022, 09:13:45 PM
Sean, do they have to kill you personally before you understand what the "health system" is about? Are you denying reality like Mark 79 does? Didn't the past 2 years show everything? Is it necessary to explain reality to you?

I’m curious as to what you think you’re reading from me which causes you to think I’m ignorant of “what the health system is about.”
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:15:15 PM
I’m curious as to what you think you’re reading from me which causes you to think I’m ignorant of “what the health system is about.”

Your postings in this thread look to me like you were surprised. Even like you would want a kidney transplant, In case they'd recommend it.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 20, 2022, 09:17:15 PM
Your postings in this thread look to me like you were surprised. Even like you would want a kidney transplant, In case they'd recommend it.

Nope: Spreading the news.  And I don’t use kidneys.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:19:12 PM
Nope: Spreading the news.  And I don’t use kidneys.


How about blowing up the places where they distribute kidneys?
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 20, 2022, 09:27:36 PM
Sean, do they have to kill you personally before you understand what the "health system" is about? Are you denying reality like Mark 79 does? Didn't the past 2 years show everything? Is it necessary to explain reality to you?
What reality do I deny?
That it was "cooties" that nearly killed me?
May God give you exactly what you deserve, sociopath.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:40:18 PM
What reality do I deny?
That it was "cooties" that nearly killed me?
May God give you exactly what you deserve, sociopath.


You believe that modern medicine is scientific.

And, as you express in this quoted post, you believe that critics of that "science" are "sociopaths'.

May God give you exactly what you deserve. No, may God have mercy on you.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 20, 2022, 09:48:21 PM

You believe that modern medicine is scientific.

And, as you express in this quoted post, you believe that critics of that "science" are "sociopaths'.

May God give you exactly what you deserve. No, may God have mercy on you.

I believe that modern medicine has tumbled into a pit and, despite that, there are still many physicians, nurses, and others who still do their best for others.

I am published criticizing junk science.

I think your most telling moments are when, caught in your utter lack of empathy, you can't even fake empathy.

I think you are likely a sociopath. You seem like the kind of creature who would push little old ladies out of their wheelchairs if you thought you could get away with it.

I may repent it later, but right now I do hope God gives you exactly what you deserve.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:51:56 PM
I believe that modern medicine has tumbled into a pit and, despite that, there are still many physicians, nurses, and others who still do their best for others.

I think your most telling moments are when, caught in your utter lack of empathy, you can't even fake empathy.

I think you are likely a sociopath.

I may repent it later, but right now I do hope God gives you exactly what you deserve.


I don't claim to show empathy with more recent or less recent names used to in medical diagnoses. If you feel worse because I reject newer names, your problem!

Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 20, 2022, 09:58:09 PM
I don't claim to show empathy with more recent or less recent names used to in medical diagnoses. If you feel worse because I reject newer names, your problem!

If you insulted only me, I'd laugh it off as personal conflict, but you inflict your pathology on several others. That is telling. Your gift for manipulative words can't hide that you show no empathy, remorse, or shame. You just double-down on your cruelty, sociopath.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 09:59:43 PM
Your whole anti-Joo activism appears somewhat ridiculous to me, if you more or less deny that the joo is controlling the medical industrial complex, including virtually all physicians.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 10:01:53 PM
If you insulted only me, I'd laugh it off as personal conflict, but you inflict your pathology on several others. That is telling. Your gift for manipulative words can't hide that you show no empathy, remorse, or shame. You just double-down on your cruelty, sociopath.

Sure, I have no empathy for a medical system, which I have rejected for decades, and which has shown it's real face in the past two years even to you, I hope. I pray that you'll understand what's going on!
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 20, 2022, 10:12:52 PM
Your whole anti-Joo activism appears somewhat ridiculous to me, when you more or less deny that the joo is controlling the medical industrial complex, including virtually all physicians.


I do not believe it is dyslexia, but something else that motivates you to "misrepresent" the truth, namely I have repeatedly criticized (not "more or less" denied) the evils in modern medicine and specifically called out the Jєωιѕн role.


I know that YOU didn't say you avoid all doctors. You were quite clear about broken bones and appendicitis. Though I quoted your post, I am really addressing the crackpots who, in my view, are crippled by their skepticism and seek to infect others with that crippling level of skepticism.

I agree that there is a trend towards less caring. Unquestioning acceptance of abortion. Jєω abortionists.

I disagree that there is a trend to less competence, only greater specialization. Eye doctors are uncomfortable treating colds. Radiologists won't treat bladder infections. It has gotten quite silly. Because it takes so long to become competent in a specialty, the trend has been to specialize so early that specialists lack confidence (and experience) treating such simple common problems. In urban environments, generalists are nervous about doing things they are perfectly competent to do for fear that even a slightly-less-than-perfect outcome results in a malpractice lawsuit. Jєω lawyers.

Since the Rockefeller-funded Flexner Report in 1910 there has been increasing industrialization of medical care. On one hand the trend did eliminate some outrageous quackery, but Rockefeller's self-interest (promoting a pharmaceutical industry heavily dependent upon petrochemicals) funded med schools and influenced curricula in, as you describe, unhealthy ways. Jєω pharma.

Government intervention with Medicare in the 60's really accelerated the downhill slide. In insisting that doctors itemize their charges, doctors started thinking deeper about their overhead: "Yeah, I have to pay for that EKG machine, the paper that goes in it, the electricity it needs, and the nurse who runs it." That unbundling of services began the price escalation. When I was a child a visit to the GP cost $7 whether I got an xray, a shot, or a pat on the head.

Then, in the 90's managed care completely unbalanced the incentives of doctors, hospitals, and patients. Jєω insurance CEOs.

Doctors: "I am only getting paid $20 for a $50 visit so I have to see more patients and spend less time with them in order to pay overhead (and take  money home)."
Hospitals: "We are getting paid less than the cost of providing care to these welfare patients, so we'll just charge the other patients and insurance more."
Patients: "My kid bonked his head and seems fine, but it only costs a $5 co-pay to see the doctor. I just want to be sure."

State medical boards, like cops and their arrest numbers and traffic ticket income, justify their own existence by harassing docs. Look how many docs have been in the news for trying to the right thing about COVID, but have lost their jobs and licenses? How many have not made the Jєω news?

Many incentives work against good patient care at a reasonable cost, yet there is no shortage of docs still trying to do the right thing. I see many docs doing effective treatments for chronic illnesses, not just broken bones and sinus surgery, even though the FDA, FTC, and medical boards hassle them—herbs, supplements, "nutriceuticals," placental stem cells, peptides, hormone replacement (e.g., HGH, GHRH, testosterone), ketamine infusions, NAD+ infusions.  I could stand in the center of town and toss a rock in any direction and hit one of those good docs who are risking their careers to do the right thing for people (well, maybe that's a slight exaggeration).

In my own case, with help I have been following the FLCCCA protocols even though recommending those protocols would result in a license loss. I had a placental stem cell infusion that within a few days gave me 30-50% improvement in my post-COVID neuropathy.

As I said, I can count at least 6 times that docs have saved my life. I appreciate that.


I exhort no "empathy" for the medical system.

You lack empathy for PEOPLE. As I said, you seem like the kind of guy that would enjoy pushing little old ladies out of their wheelchairs if you could get away with it. You have a cruel streak that shows.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 10:18:10 PM

I do not believe it is dyslexia, but something else that motivates you to "misrepresent" the truth, namely I have repeatedly criticized (not "more or less" denied) the evils in modern medicine and specifically called out the Jєωιѕн role.


I exhort no "empathy" for the medical system.

You lack empathy for PEOPLE. As I said, you seem like the kind of guy that would enjoy pushing little old ladies out of their wheelchairs if you could get away with it. You have a cruel streak that shows.

C'mon, Mark 79, you did very well understand what I said. And now I leave you old lady alone. Eat your own comment.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 20, 2022, 10:21:18 PM
C'mon, Mark 79, you did very well understand what I said. And now I leave you old lady alone.

I understand that you claimed I "more or less deny" the baleful Jєωιѕн influence in medicine.

I understand that is a bold lie, a lie epitomizing a sociopath.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 10:26:16 PM
I understand that you claimed I "more or less deny" the baleful Jєωιѕн influence in medicine.

I understand that is a bold lie, a lie epitomizing a sociopath.

You're the liar. You recommended to follow the bloody system of modern medicine. Do you think people are not aware of what you wrote?
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 10:28:09 PM
You even promoted Cannabis solely based on "peer reviewed papers". Not that I reject Cannabis for whatever useful purpose. But you need Joos to approve it. Lol.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 20, 2022, 10:35:43 PM
Yeah, I'm just a regular shill for the Jєωs.

Good luck selling that one, sociopath.

You're slipping. I provided peer-reviewed papers, but also noted corroborating testimony from many hundreds of people I met through my activism. If you were honest, you'd strike "solely."
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 10:38:48 PM
Yeah, I'm just a regular shill for the Jєωs.

Good luck selling that one, sociopath.

Yes, you are. When it comes to medicine, you're just the average Joo shill. All your "anti-semitism" breaks down, when you shill for the "science of medicine".
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 20, 2022, 11:23:33 PM
Yeah, this reads like shilling for Jєωs in medicine. Sociopath and bullsh*tter.



I know that YOU didn't say you avoid all doctors. You were quite clear about broken bones and appendicitis. Though I quoted your post, I am really addressing the crackpots who, in my view, are crippled by their skepticism and seek to infect others with that crippling level of skepticism.

I agree that there is a trend towards less caring. Unquestioning acceptance of abortion. Jєω abortionists.

I disagree that there is a trend to less competence, only greater specialization. Eye doctors are uncomfortable treating colds. Radiologists won't treat bladder infections. It has gotten quite silly. Because it takes so long to become competent in a specialty, the trend has been to specialize so early that specialists lack confidence (and experience) treating such simple common problems. In urban environments, generalists are nervous about doing things they are perfectly competent to do for fear that even a slightly-less-than-perfect outcome results in a malpractice lawsuit. Jєω lawyers.

Since the Rockefeller-funded Flexner Report in 1910 there has been increasing industrialization of medical care. On one hand the trend did eliminate some outrageous quackery, but Rockefeller's self-interest (promoting a pharmaceutical industry heavily dependent upon petrochemicals) funded med schools and influenced curricula in, as you describe, unhealthy ways. Jєω pharma.

Government intervention with Medicare in the 60's really accelerated the downhill slide. In insisting that doctors itemize their charges, doctors started thinking deeper about their overhead: "Yeah, I have to pay for that EKG machine, the paper that goes in it, the electricity it needs, and the nurse who runs it." That unbundling of services began the price escalation. When I was a child a visit to the GP cost $7 whether I got an xray, a shot, or a pat on the head.

Then, in the 90's managed care completely unbalanced the incentives of doctors, hospitals, and patients. Jєω insurance CEOs.

Doctors: "I am only getting paid $20 for a $50 visit so I have to see more patients and spend less time with them in order to pay overhead (and take  money home)."
Hospitals: "We are getting paid less than the cost of providing care to these welfare patients, so we'll just charge the other patients and insurance more."
Patients: "My kid bonked his head and seems fine, but it only costs a $5 co-pay to see the doctor. I just want to be sure."

State medical boards, like cops and their arrest numbers and traffic ticket income, justify their own existence by harassing docs. Look how many docs have been in the news for trying to the right thing about COVID, but have lost their jobs and licenses? How many have not made the Jєω news?

Many incentives work against good patient care at a reasonable cost, yet there is no shortage of docs still trying to do the right thing. I see many docs doing effective treatments for chronic illnesses, not just broken bones and sinus surgery, even though the FDA, FTC, and medical boards hassle them—herbs, supplements, "nutriceuticals," placental stem cells, peptides, hormone replacement (e.g., HGH, GHRH, testosterone), ketamine infusions, NAD+ infusions.  I could stand in the center of town and toss a rock in any direction and hit one of those good docs who are risking their careers to do the right thing for people (well, maybe that's a slight exaggeration).

In my own case, with help I have been following the FLCCCA protocols even though recommending those protocols would result in a license loss. I had a placental stem cell infusion that within a few days gave me 30-50% improvement in my post-COVID neuropathy.

As I said, I can count at least 6 times that docs have saved my life. I appreciate that.

Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: epiphany on January 21, 2022, 06:27:49 AM
Mark79 and Marion, please take your squabbling offline.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 21, 2022, 10:40:21 AM
Mark79 and Marion, please take your squabbling offline.
^^^^ Luke 18:11
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: DigitalLogos on January 21, 2022, 10:50:22 AM
Mark79 and Marion, please take your squabbling offline.
Come now, being on a forum for a while is like having an extended family. It's just a family squabble :jester:
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Anothercon Variant on January 21, 2022, 01:26:21 PM
Marion feels an emptiness in his life. He is discontent and angry for things not going his way in life, so his way of getting back at people is to do what he does here at CathInfo. 

A sociopath? Quite possibly.
An ass? Most definitely.

:popcorn:
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 21, 2022, 07:49:06 PM
Marion feels an emptiness in his life. He is discontent and angry for things not going his way in life, so his way of getting back at people is to do what he does here at CathInfo.

A sociopath? Quite possibly.
An ass? Most definitely.

:popcorn:

I don't agree with the way Mark 79 deals with and recommends medical "authorities" and "science". Also, available data of various countries show that most likely the flu was renamed covid-19 in the recent past. Mark 79 gets upset about this, since for some unknown reason a severe malady, he unfortunately suffered, has to be called covid-19 by all men on earth, and no other name.

Nothing really serious.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: TKGS on January 21, 2022, 07:56:52 PM
I fully expect that by the end of 2022, hospitals will not admit vaccine free people--including the emergency room.  Unvaccinated people who are in an automobile accident will be left at the scene until they die or are able to hobble off on their own.  The EMTs, the police, etc., will be completely complicit in enforcing this.  
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 21, 2022, 08:18:55 PM
I don't agree with the way Mark 79 deals with and recommends medical "authorities" and "science". Also, available data of various countries show that most likely the flu was renamed covid-19 in the recent past. Mark 79 gets upset about this, since for some unknown reason a severe malady, he unfortunately suffered, has to be called covid-19 by all men on earth, and no other name.

Nothing really serious.

The ayatollah of bullsh*tola has pronounced his fatwa. Everyone now bow towards Mecca. :laugh2:
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 21, 2022, 08:35:18 PM
I fully expect that by the end of 2022, hospitals will not admit vaccine free people--including the emergency room.  Unvaccinated people who are in an automobile accident will be left at the scene until they die or are able to hobble off on their own.  The EMTs, the police, etc., will be completely complicit in enforcing this. 

That is an expectation compatible with the trends we see with our own eyes.

There are some salutary signs of grassroots resistance. The one that caught my eye yesterday and my ear today is a cross-state network developing to obtain and disperse alternative COVID treatments. If that network builds as it seems to be, the people involved will certainly develop alternatives (small clinics, home care) to those ѕуηαgσgυєs of goyim depopulationism ("hopsitals").

In the long run such a movement could break the backs of the "medical-insurance complex."

Stand on their air hose.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 21, 2022, 08:48:26 PM
The ayatollah of bullsh*tola has pronounced his fatwa. Everyone now bow towards Mecca. :laugh2:


You can try and make everyone bow towards covid-19, I won't, I keep calling it flu.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 21, 2022, 09:34:06 PM
Why imagine I am trying to control what you believe or what you do?

I merely note what is increasingly obvious: You are a sociopath and the ayatollah of bullsh*tola.

Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Marion on January 21, 2022, 09:42:03 PM
Why imagine I am trying to control what you believe or what you do?

I merely note what is increasingly obvious: You are a sociopath and the ayatollah of bullsh*tola.


I may be biased, still I imagine that every repetition of your "sociopath" allegation shows what you are, Mr bow-towards-covid-19-like-Muh-hammad. :laugh1:
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on January 22, 2022, 01:21:34 AM
Mark is a miracle. God protected him and provide with good medical care. 
This sickness is being used against us.

There is good and bad in everything.  We should stopped it years ago. Our “Catholic” hospitals betrayed God. 
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: ultrarigorist on January 22, 2022, 06:51:37 AM
  There is a novel virus called covid, I know it's novel by the interval for my own immune system to react, and likewise my family. Just like my first exposure to various flu bugs as a child. The best short version is to quote Dr. Luc Montagnier who said it "...represents 800 years of natural mutation from the nearest extant coronavirus. .. The only way this could possibly occur is by manipulation in the lab...". E.g., by frequently cross-infecting various host creature (bypassing the host's natural barriers = injection) with the pathogen(s) to enhance RNA replication errors.
This is the so-called gain-of-function research, and the most difficult part is analysis of the chimeric junk thus produced (if done at all)...

So Anthony Fugazy and his pals in Wuhan are like kids playing with a live hydrogen bomb, if somewhat less cognizant or - infinitely more evil.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Anothercon Variant on January 22, 2022, 08:32:33 AM
I don't agree with the way Mark 79 deals with and recommends medical "authorities" and "science". Also, available data of various countries show that most likely the flu was renamed covid-19 in the recent past. Mark 79 gets upset about this, since for some unknown reason a severe malady, he unfortunately suffered, has to be called covid-19 by all men on earth, and no other name.

Nothing really serious.
The original Covid (whatever it is, for genetic sleuthing hasn't isolated a whole genome to this very day) is real, albeit, it's an overhyped cold virus. It can be detrimental to a small number of the population, usually elderly people, and people with undiagnosed preexisting conditions, and people who have comorbidity. An Indian research team even isolated parts of the virus and found segments of HIV (the delivery system parts) spliced into it to make it easily transmissible to humans. The researchers were forced to retract the paper, lest their careers be ruined forever. Side note: I think it goes without saying that the "vaccines" are causing the variants that are causing far more disease and deaths than the original Covid, all by design and planned out years ago.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: TKGS on January 22, 2022, 08:38:08 AM
It can be detrimental to a small number of the population, usually elderly people, and people with undiagnosed preexisting conditions, and people who have comorbidity. 
....like virtually all other flu viruses.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Anothercon Variant on January 22, 2022, 10:35:05 AM
....like virtually all other flu viruses.
Right but it's not a flu virus as erroneously claimed by marion. It has coronavirus genes although a whole genome is yet to be isolated. 
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Mark 79 on January 22, 2022, 03:45:34 PM
Oh, look!  But it's just "cooties" … jackasses.

In New Brunswick, Canada, a mysterious brain disease affects dozens of Canadians, causing teeth chattering and hallucinations, and entirely stumped doctors say it has been around for about 20 years, and they think it must be something in the environment. These days, these types of things can always be some sort of new tech being beta-tested on randos in the civilian populace.

Mysterious brain disease affects dozens of Canadians, causing teeth chattering and hallucinations

Five people have died of the unexplained illness  (not really, it's just "sniffles")

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-brain-disease-new-brunswick-b1825751.html
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Ladislaus on January 22, 2022, 04:10:52 PM
I fully expect that by the end of 2022, hospitals will not admit vaccine free people--including the emergency room.  Unvaccinated people who are in an automobile accident will be left at the scene until they die or are able to hobble off on their own.  The EMTs, the police, etc., will be completely complicit in enforcing this. 

Unless they release something else, I have to disagree.  Their jab-mandate program has lost steam entirely.  More and more companies are rolling back their mandates, and even CNN is broadcasting that they believe that Omicron is going to end the pandemic (due to making this an endemic illness just like the cold or flu).
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: DigitalLogos on January 22, 2022, 05:13:18 PM
Unless they release something else, I have to disagree.  Their jab-mandate program has lost steam entirely.  More and more companies are rolling back their mandates, and even CNN is broadcasting that they believe that Omicron is going to end the pandemic (due to making this an endemic illness just like the cold or flu).
Yeah, I'm leaning more towards Dave Cullen's position that TPTB are conceding the battle in order to prepare the next one in this war on the average person. It'll probably be climate-related, or, cyber warfare. 

That being said. I will repeat: OUR LADY CAME THROUGH AND ENDED THE COVID PANDEMIC
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: TKGS on January 22, 2022, 06:44:58 PM
Unless they release something else, I have to disagree.  Their jab-mandate program has lost steam entirely.  More and more companies are rolling back their mandates, and even CNN is broadcasting that they believe that Omicron is going to end the pandemic (due to making this an endemic illness just like the cold or flu).
The hysteria has lost steam entirely everywhere...except in the new medical professions and much of the government.  

Like many hospitals around the country, hospitals in rural Indiana are preparing for a surge of patients like they did last year.  The only difference this year is that they have lost a lot of staff due to their vaccine mandates and from laying off people because they curtailed non-COVID related procedures so they really are being overrun.  People are going to the emergency room to get a test because they're afraid they "might be sick" (actual quote from a person interviewed by the local news here).

Yes, the hysteria has lost steam with the public in general, but the hospitals are acting like every person who walks in the door is a potential weapon of mass destruction and they are genuinely afraid to have unvaccinated people in the building.
Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 25, 2022, 06:25:45 AM
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Title: Re: Comply or Die!
Post by: Matthew on January 25, 2022, 06:38:20 AM
I get sick of these stories -- they act as if this vaccine does anything, and they act as if the disease "vaccinated against" is grave and serious, and certainly untreatable.

No, no...and no.

I have to tune out of these stories, or I'd go crazy. My mind is oriented towards the good and the true -- Clown World makes me go crazy.