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Butter or Margarine?
« on: August 05, 2020, 11:23:47 AM »
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  • I've heard this too many times before. People have told me for years the dangers of butter when my great grandparents ate butter on food all the time. my great grandpa lived to be 98 and my great grandma lived to be 101. Here is an interesting chart unless someone has a counter point to this, I would love to hear it.



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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #1 on: August 05, 2020, 11:24:01 AM »
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  • I've heard this too many times before. People have told me for years the dangers of butter when my great grandparents ate butter on food all the time. my great grandpa lived to be 98 and my great grandma lived to be 101. Here is an interesting chart unless someone has a counter point to this, I would love to hear it.



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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #2 on: August 05, 2020, 01:09:15 PM »
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  • I have a Food Science background and margarines are basically oils (usually soy) that are made solid using hydrogen. The process can be manipulated to obtain a variety of textures from spreads all to way to hard, solid fats, flavorings added. The more solid, the more it can get stuck in your veins and cause heart problems, so read the Nutrition Facts label to figure that out. I personally prefer butter but if I were dairy or lactose sensitive, I'd use spreads.

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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #3 on: August 05, 2020, 01:15:00 PM »
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  • I have a Food Science background and margarines are basically oils (usually soy) that are made solid using hydrogen. The process can be manipulated to obtain a variety of textures from spreads all to way to hard, solid fats, flavorings added. The more solid, the more it can get stuck in your veins and cause heart problems, so read the Nutrition Facts label to figure that out. I personally prefer butter but if I were dairy or lactose sensitive, I'd use spreads.
    Yes I completely agree. Many american doctors have lied to people on the "health benefits" of margarine. It has affected decades of americans. People need to know the truth about butter. I have a friend who is convinced that butter is bad for you. Spreads are also way better than margarine too.
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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #4 on: August 05, 2020, 03:30:24 PM »
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  • I hate margarine and never eat it voluntarily.  Basically solid vegetable oil.

    I use either stick butter, or a very good combination of butter, olive oil, and salt spread made by Land O'Lakes.  I thought it would taste olive-oily but it doesn't, not in the least.  Last night I treated myself to a huge sirloin steak on the grill, melted stick butter on both sides as I grilled it, perfection.  Margarine wouldn't pack that kind of punch.  When the butter drips down on the charcoal, you get huge plumes of flame that sear the steak.  That wouldn't happen with margarine either. 


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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #5 on: August 05, 2020, 03:47:45 PM »
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  • Butter is good for people.  Margarine is not.  Vegetable oils, in general, are one of the worst foods people can eat.  (There are a few exceptions.)  Here is an article that explains:
    https://www.thankyourbody.com/vegetable-oils/

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    Vegetable oils are bad because they contain very high levels of polyunsaturated fats (PUFAs). But did you know that the fat content of the human body is about 97% saturated and monounsaturated fat? Our body needs fat for rebuilding cells and hormone production. And it can only use what we give it.
    Polyunsaturated fats are highly unstable. These types of fats oxidize easily. These oxidized fats cause inflammation and mutation in cells. That oxidation is linked to all sorts of issues from cancer, heart disease, endrometriosis, PCOS, etc. PUFAs are bad news.
    Read more about PUFAS here.
    Omega 6 issue
    There’s a lot of hype about Omega-3’s and how healthy they are. But what often gets neglected is the fact that it’s more about the ratio of Omega-3 and Omega-6 fats that are critical to good health.
    Vegetable oils contain a very high concentration of Omega 6 fatty acids. These fatty acids oxidize easily. Omega-3 fatty acids have been shown to reduce inflammation and protect against cancer. Unbalanced levels of Omega-3 and Omega-6 fats have been linked to many types of cancers and a host of other problems. And, as you’ve probably guessed, most Americans are high in Omega-6 fatty acids and low in Omega-3’s. But people keeping buying into labels on vegetables oils that say “a good source of Omega-3s” without realizing that they are really just making the imbalance even worse.
    So be wary of deceptive marketing like this, just because something is high in Omega-3s does not mean it doesn’t also contain harmful ingredients. Having a “big picture” of the ingredients in the foods you are eating is crucial for a healthy diet.

    Lots more information at the link for those interested.

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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #6 on: August 05, 2020, 08:12:56 PM »
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  • I hate margarine and never eat it voluntarily.  Basically solid vegetable oil.

    I use either stick butter, or a very good combination of butter, olive oil, and salt spread made by Land O'Lakes.  I thought it would taste olive-oily but it doesn't, not in the least.  Last night I treated myself to a huge sirloin steak on the grill, melted stick butter on both sides as I grilled it, perfection.  Margarine wouldn't pack that kind of punch.  When the butter drips down on the charcoal, you get huge plumes of flame that sear the steak.  That wouldn't happen with margarine either.

    Man you made me hungry. :laugh1:

    I want me some sirloin steak with melted stick butter now. Margarine would do no such thing with a punch like that.

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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #7 on: August 05, 2020, 08:16:31 PM »
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  • Butter is good for people.  Margarine is not.  Vegetable oils, in general, are one of the worst foods people can eat.  (There are a few exceptions.)  Here is an article that explains:
    https://www.thankyourbody.com/vegetable-oils/

    Lots more information at the link for those interested.

    Yes, in my opinion, I think unsatured fats and saturated fats alike in butter is better for you than vegetable oil. vegetable oil does have "potential" health benefits but some scientists are actually worried that people nowadays are just consuming too much oils.
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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #8 on: August 05, 2020, 08:33:37 PM »
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  • Man you made me hungry. :laugh1:

    I want me some sirloin steak with melted stick butter now. Margarine would do no such thing with a punch like that.

    Has anyone had Wagyu steaks? I hear they are supposed to be good, but they are rather expensive. I imagine you have tried it, Jayne, as I believe you are one of the carnivore diet "heretics".

    https://www.crowdcow.com/products/japanese-wagyu-ribeye-steak?filter%5Bbid_item%5D=i3rnsbwmr

    Also, is it better to cook steaks in butter or tallow? I think everyone except for old people thinks butter is good and margarine is bad, so the question should be, "butter or lard or tallow?" Neither of these fats seems to have recovered from the mass media hysteria of the last century that condemned such animal fats, similar to the media blitz that promoted margarine before it was found to be supposedly unhealthy and condemned as evil by the same "experts" who are always wrong.
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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #9 on: August 05, 2020, 11:49:20 PM »
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  • Man you made me hungry. :laugh1:

    I want me some sirloin steak with melted stick butter now. Margarine would do no such thing with a punch like that.
    A fairly inexpensive, but lean, sirloin or strip steak is an occasional luxury for me.  This one was my last steak from my frozen food storage, I stocked up on various things when it appeared that COVID-19 might be a SHTF event.  I just have one of those little cheap grills from Walmart.  Put some tenderizer and MSG (yes, I know...) on the steak, then steak seasoning ground from a mill built into the shaker, then butter on both sides.  I take my steaks well-done, and the butter combats the inevitable dryness.  I know well-done steak tends to be dry and tough, but I cannot stomach rare meat.  For a cheap $6 steak, it wasn't bad at all.  Sliced tomato from the garden with parmesan and salt, and a small serving of microwave French fries (too much rigamarole that evening, to deep-fry them on the stovetop), meal fit for a king.

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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #10 on: August 06, 2020, 12:49:53 AM »
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  • A fairly inexpensive, but lean, sirloin or strip steak is an occasional luxury for me.  This one was my last steak from my frozen food storage, I stocked up on various things when it appeared that COVID-19 might be a SHTF event.  I just have one of those little cheap grills from Walmart.  Put some tenderizer and MSG (yes, I know...) on the steak, then steak seasoning ground from a mill built into the shaker, then butter on both sides.  I take my steaks well-done, and the butter combats the inevitable dryness.  I know well-done steak tends to be dry and tough, but I cannot stomach rare meat.  For a cheap $6 steak, it wasn't bad at all.  Sliced tomato from the garden with parmesan and salt, and a small serving of microwave French fries (too much rigamarole that evening, to deep-fry them on the stovetop), meal fit for a king.

    That is a meal fit for a king. Sounds like a dinner I would love. I love well done steak. I can't stomach rare meat either. Nothing wrong with a cheap grill when you can make the food as good as if it were on the most expensive grill.
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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #11 on: August 06, 2020, 09:40:46 AM »
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  • Has anyone had Wagyu steaks? I hear they are supposed to be good, but they are rather expensive. I imagine you have tried it, Jayne, as I believe you are one of the carnivore diet "heretics".

    https://www.crowdcow.com/products/japanese-wagyu-ribeye-steak?filter%5Bbid_item%5D=i3rnsbwmr

    Also, is it better to cook steaks in butter or tallow? I think everyone except for old people thinks butter is good and margarine is bad, so the question should be, "butter or lard or tallow?" Neither of these fats seems to have recovered from the mass media hysteria of the last century that condemned such animal fats, similar to the media blitz that promoted margarine before it was found to be supposedly unhealthy and condemned as evil by the same "experts" who are always wrong.
    Yeah, I've tried Waygu.  It did taste good, but not so good as to be worth paying out more for it.  Normal steaks are plenty delicious.
    Cooking in butter and tallow are both good as far as health benefits go, so it is really a matter of taste preference.  I do it both ways.  That's how I get some variety into my diet.  ;)

    Butter, lard and tallow are all good fats and way better than "vegetable" oils.  The only reason that people think otherwise is deceptive marketing based on manipulated science.  Very little of what "everybody knows" about nutrition is true.  

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    Re: Butter or Margarine?
    « Reply #12 on: August 06, 2020, 12:43:34 PM »
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  • This coming week we will be canning a lot of butter to add to our long term supplies.  It's an excellent food for times of famine, being dense in calories and high in nutrition, but even better, it will last 5 years on the shelf.   

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    « Reply #13 on: August 06, 2020, 02:16:51 PM »
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  • This coming week we will be canning a lot of butter to add to our long term supplies.  It's an excellent food for times of famine, being dense in calories and high in nutrition, but even better, it will last 5 years on the shelf.  

    Awesome. I hope you enjoy that delicious butter.
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    « Reply #14 on: August 06, 2020, 02:38:10 PM »
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  • Awesome. I hope you enjoy that delicious butter.
    Thank you, will do.  Hope to find other ways to provide for my family in the times to come.  God willing.