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Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Matthew on February 13, 2008, 11:58:15 PM
I am upgrading this video to a MUST SEE.

You want to know WHY vaccines are bad, this is the place to learn! This video is EXTREMELY well-researched and has compelling evidence that can't be ignored.

I BEG OF YOU to watch this and pass it on to as many people as possible.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Christin on May 06, 2008, 02:38:09 PM
Vaccines in general are unsafe because they send the immune system into overdrive. If the new one doesn't contain any mercury or alluminum, I still wouldn't recommend that you test it on yourself. If God wants people to get the flu sometimes, he has ways of punishing us for taking it into our own hands. Forty years from now people may be learning about the "Killer Flu Shot of 2008" that accumulated in peoples' systems over the decades from yearly injections, causing them to experience various terrible side effects.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Dawn on September 13, 2008, 06:43:14 AM
The medical associations have issued a list of those who are not to be treated for the pandemic flu. Seniors, handicap. You know a page out of Hitler's playbook.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Matthew on November 08, 2008, 09:55:34 PM
The question is whether vaccines are positively harmful, and whether or not they even work.

There are a lot of myths out there about the efficacy of vaccines, which people don't even question.

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Matthew on November 08, 2008, 09:55:53 PM
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Matthew on November 09, 2008, 07:15:23 AM
What if the vaccines had no effect on your avoiding kidney failure?

That is the point.

And most people are not high-risk as in your case -- so even if vaccines worked, they'd still have massive side effects to most people should avoid them.

But do vaccines work? Are we just trusting that they work, or is there any evidence at all?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: trent13 on November 09, 2008, 07:55:52 PM
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By 'professionals' I don't mean watching a couple of onlione videos or shoosing the odd site here and there to suit your line of thinking.


I watched the video that chant put up in its entirety - it's not wacko crackpot conspiracy theorist science that is trying to force evidence into backing up what they want to believe.  Most of it consisted of studies and statistics.  And the video also stated that if you are informed of both sides and you still feel the need to use the vaccines, then use them.  I don't think is anything wrong at all with being critical of doctors and panels of doctors who really don't have my welfare in mind but the almighty dollar.  If you want to believe every blessed thing that the modern (and by and large corrupt) medical field tells you that is your choice - don't accuse others of being "irresopnsible" and "dangerous" just because they choose not to buy into it.

The video also stated that if you have some sort of autoimmune disease where your immune function or other vital organs would already be compromised then, yes, it may be in your best interest to be vaccinated.  That in no way contradicts the information that is presented in the video.  If you don't want to be vaccinated, then don't, but don't act like it is a sin for people to share information about research.  If anything these vaccine manufacturers and doctors have an obligation before God to inform parents what exactly it is that their children are being injected with and the possible side effects it may have.  Especially considering that as parents we are going to be responsible for their welfare and explaining to them what is wrong with them should they experience any sort of injury due to vaccination.  

I, for one, would like to thank Chant very much for the info because 1) I did have a lot questions about whether or not to vaccinate my children but didn't know where to look, so I got some of the immunizations for my daughter, but not all of them, not knowing what to do, 2) friends of mine ask me what information I have with regards to the use of the rogam shot during pregnancy and also information on immunizations and I have nothing to give them, and 3) I have a parent on one side who is "gung ho medical field -alternative medicine is wacko science" and one on the other who is "gung ho alternative medicine- the modern medical field is evil in its entirety" - between the two of them it is hard to find the right and balanced path without third party information and research, but usually I have no idea where to look or where to start.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: trent13 on November 09, 2008, 08:02:13 PM
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2) friends of mine ask me what information I have with regards to the use of the rogam shot during pregnancy and also information on immunizations and I have nothing to give them,
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Actually that is not true, the problem is that ALL I have to give them is the conditioning that I have received compliments of western medicine, i.e. that "immunizations prevent life threatening diseases,"  "without them there would be massive pandemics of small pox, chicken pox, scarlet fever, polio, etc..."  and "doctors know best always do what the doctor says."  Now, if this is the only information that you have to give and a close friend needs help trying to make an informed decision, it isn't exactly fair to just regurgitate to them the same conditioned response that you received.  At least this way I can honestly say for myself and them, here is what I believe and why.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: trent13 on November 11, 2008, 01:05:11 PM
given all of the research that has been done and all the studies of the studies how is that places promoting the flu vaccine say that the risks of using thimerosal containing vaccines are unsubstantiated?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: spouse of Jesus on April 26, 2009, 02:56:05 AM
Vaccines made of aborted fetues are sinful to use. if you ask for the source I will give you.
and "vatican accepts/allows them" is not a valid argument, because vatican allows gay parade, islamism and pan religious worship too!
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Dawn on April 26, 2009, 06:31:28 PM
I do not let my children receive any type of vaccination. We have not been to the doctor in over 7 years for anything. When my second to the last son was born, the doctor came in to argue with me. I asked him if he know that some vaccines were made from aborted fetal tissue, and if so could he tell me which one (chickenpox at that time). Nope,he could not.I informed him that it behooved him to become more informed, especially when it sounds like it came from Dr. Mengele in Hitler's Germany to use the dead bodies of babies to vaccinate your children from something as simple as chickenpox.

BTW, do not rush to tell me that chickenpox can be dangerous anyone. Out of 23 nieces and nephew, 8 children of my own and 7 siblings, I have not experienced anyone doing anything other than scratch.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Dawn on April 27, 2009, 04:50:07 PM
I am 48 years old and have multiple sclerosis and the old fillings that are mercury based. Add to that all the immunizations I received in school days and the crap in the air and food. They really have us where they want us.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Matthew on July 16, 2009, 11:01:44 AM
The father of a friend of mine got permanent damage from a flu shot -- he has to have someone with him when he walks outside at night, because he has vertigo pretty much all the time.

From a FLU shot!  Just get the flu if it's God's will, but injecting yourself with who knows what and taking grave risks to your health -- so you don't get the flu?

And the facts are that flu shots don't work anyhow.

Matthew
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Raoul76 on September 26, 2009, 02:59:21 PM
I saw in the "Introduction" section that Jehanne had three children with autism.  I wonder if they were vaccinated or if he attributes this to vaccination.

The story above about the man who can't go out at night without getting vertigo, because of a flu shot, reminds me of a teenager I knew who had reached the age of 16 but couldn't drive himself around the block.  The impression I got was that he was prone to near-seizures, freakouts, although I never witnessed one and he seemed polite and intelligent to me.  But this was what his father alluded to.  The father felt extremely guilty and blamed himself for allowing the kid to be vaccinated when he was a baby.

Then again, I was vaccinated to the gills and so far, no permanent diseases.  Except dogmatic sedevacantism  :wink:
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Jehanne on September 26, 2009, 04:11:29 PM
Quote from: Raoul76
I saw in the "Introduction" section that Jehanne had three children with autism.  I wonder if they were vaccinated or if he attributes this to vaccination.


We are wondering that, too!  Yes, it is possible, and we are pursuing the matter.  At least one civil case has result in a settlement.  I am not out to make money, but the medical costs have run into the thousands, if not tens of thousands.  For instance, my oldest son, age 11, cannot put on his own shoes.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Matthew on September 26, 2009, 05:08:21 PM
I was vaccinated as a child as well -- but you know what? 1985 is not 2005. A lot has changed in the last 20 years, including the number of vaccinations on the normal schedule!

I've seen the list -- WOW! They might as well install a PIC line in the child's arm so they can just dump that garbage in easier. The kids are theoretically supposed to look like swiss cheese by the age of 10, according to these schedules.

And nevermind the fact that some of them are vaccinating against diseases that aren't an issue for most decent people (HEP B) or for those with morals (Human Papilloma Virus).

They want to vaccinate every 12 year old girl because, after all, she's going to be a slut, right? And a slut at age 12 or 13, too -- because even the makers of Gardasil admit that the vaccine only covers you for a few years. So what about those who (wisely) wait until later, or until marriage as they're supposed to? No protection at all -- just a bunch of risk (including death) for an expensive vaccine.

Matthew
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Belloc on November 18, 2009, 08:14:23 AM
Quote from: Regina
What do you mean that they are not effective? I have not seen any evidence of this, except for the need for a booster as an adult.


There are 200+ strands of the flu, the vaccine prior to the fad-flu of the swine only took care of 1-2 strands.....studies now saying swine flu vaccine is not affective at all..so, he is right....

Better to eat healthy food, exercise, get rest and vitamin D....and of course pray and entrust to God........
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Belloc on November 18, 2009, 09:01:16 AM
No, most are dangerous and the majority counter-productive....a few are better than alternative of the disease, but we waaay over-facinate people.....

I am 38 and had a handful, spread over 2 yrs....now you get a boatload pre-2 yrs of age.......

Know a MD that is against majority of vaccines, he showed me the schedule that babies get now and his on immunizations from borth in 1964-very astounding.

Pluse his research into the chmicals-a ton of phmaldhide(?) nad mercury...

also, know a woman that took her baby to her MD to get teh shots-this is in mid-1980's...he got  the boat load, was perfectly healthy and died on the way home...she thought it was SIDS then, but now as a RN, she realizes it was the vaccines themselves.......
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Belloc on November 18, 2009, 10:01:56 AM
He advises caution, weighing hte vaccine side effects vs the disease......

Cannot recall now which ones, but definately not the flu vaccines......
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Belloc on November 18, 2009, 10:39:54 AM
some good points, esp too if said vaccine obtained through immoral means-ie, aborted baibes......
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: greenhill on November 18, 2009, 02:31:19 PM
I just found that out and was sickened. That some vaccines are made with substances from aborted foetuses!!!

How can you tell which are, do you know?

Also the same with skin creams, etc?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Petertherock on January 08, 2010, 05:16:33 PM
This is something to think about...he might be whacked out, or he might be on to something...it's well worth the 45 minutes or so to watch the whole program. It's about how a group of the most powerful people in the world are trying to kill of billions of people to make the world more manageable for one world government and to turn us all into slaves.

Here is the 6 part youtube clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifUT9A6Pmkw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzf9v5Zmwu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiHW2mDbRkA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG-JoKW0c5c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTgMfc6RKqk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOWVek-lhOg

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Iuvenalis on January 10, 2010, 02:45:42 AM
Quote from: greenhill
I just found that out and was sickened. That some vaccines are made with substances from aborted foetuses!!!

How can you tell which are, do you know?

Also the same with skin creams, etc?


There are some (probably illegal) skin 'creams' and products usually from the Caribbean. None of those products are available here (legally) I'm fairly sure of that.

As for the vaccines, it's not exactly aborted babies being ground into vaccines.

There are a few cell lines that are used in the production of certain vaccines (examples, Rabies, Rubella, and I'm not sure about varicella aka 'chicken pox,' I'd have to look) that were originally derived from aborted fetal tissue.

In the case of two major cell lines, they were derived from fetuses that were infected with Rubella, which is nearly always fatal to unborn children. In fact, this is the reason we vaccinate for Rubella, not because you or I cannot handle it (or even kids) but because a pregnant woman's fetus that gets infected with Rubella will almost certainly die.

I'm not going to speculate about whether the aborted fetuses would have 'died anyway' since that wouldn't make it any less of an abortion, but if one is truly concerned about new abortions then one should get the Rubella vaccine, because it would most certainly result in abortions or at the very least dead babies if we have an epidemic of Rubella.

A couple of the most common cell lines were obtained from abortions that took place in the 60's, of Rubella infected fetuses.

I believe there is another cell line that was not from an infected fetus, but was a 'voluntary reduction' (hate that term), but I'd have to do some searching to find out which one it is, and which vaccines it was involved in.

However, it's worth pointing out that today's cells are many, many, many, many 'generations' removed from those cells, it's not as if it is the actual cells from the 1960's themselves.

Hopefully you don't get rabies, since there's no alternative, but for MMR there was an 'alternative' where the Rubella component contained none of this for people with such objections. They have since stopped making it due to low demand.

It's worth pointing out also, if you have access, and even though it it not licensed in the US (not that meaningful) the Japanese vaccine contains no aborted cell lines. It's at least as 'safe' as the US version (however safe you think vaccines are), as it is given to an entire country.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: clare on January 11, 2010, 04:50:58 AM
Quote from: Iuvenalis
In the case of two major cell lines, they were derived from fetuses that were infected with Rubella, which is nearly always fatal to unborn children. In fact, this is the reason we vaccinate for Rubella, not because you or I cannot handle it (or even kids) but because a pregnant woman's fetus that gets infected with Rubella will almost certainly die.


I gather the unborn baby is only affected if the mother gets rubella. If the mother had already had rubella as a child, the baby would be safe.

Children don't seem to get rubella these days though, for some reason...

In my opinion, children should get rubella naturally, and develop a long lasting (no need for boosters) immunity, and if a lady still hasn't had it by the time she is grown up, perhaps a vaccine (ethical) might be worth considering. Even then, I'm sceptical.

When my daughter got chicken pox a few years ago, I so hoped it was German measles. Fat chance, while no other children get the chance to get it.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Iuvenalis on January 14, 2010, 01:31:47 AM
People talk a lot about 'boosters' as evidence that vaccines do not work somehow.

First, not all vaccines require 'boosters' after the initial series.

Secondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened. Another point there is that some late life illnesses like Post-polio Syndrome and Shingles are, in fact, the childhood illness rearing their ugly heads again.

Point being, conferring immunity is an imperfect thing, people make a bigger deal of of it than they probably should.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: clare on January 14, 2010, 07:09:39 AM
Quote from: Iuvenalis
Secondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened...


Does that never happen with vaccinations?

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Iuvenalis on January 17, 2010, 04:04:22 AM
Quote from: clare
Quote from: Iuvenalis
Secondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened...


Does that never happen with vaccinations?



I am quite certain you do not understand the point I made at all.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: clare on January 18, 2010, 06:41:20 AM
Quote from: Iuvenalis
Quote from: clare
Quote from: Iuvenalis
Secondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened...


Does that never happen with vaccinations?



I am quite certain you do not understand the point I made at all.


More than likely.

You're saying that vaccines are good, right.

But then you said:

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...conferring immunity is an imperfect thing, people make a bigger deal of of it than they probably should.


Now vaccines ostensibly confer immunity, and getting the illness confers immunity usually.

But that's no big deal. So if it's no big deal getting immunity from the illness, why insist on getting immunity from vaccine?

But, yes, I'm blonde and a girl. I can't be expected to understand!
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Agobard on February 06, 2010, 12:13:56 AM
When you get vaccinated, you are being infected with the virus and a bunch of other unhealthy junk.

That is why "health" officials do not want you to get a vaccination when you are not feeling well. People can and do get sick from vaccinations. Unless your leg falls off (or something like that) right after you get the shot, it won't be reported as vaccine related. It will be "just a coincidence".
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Belloc on December 08, 2010, 10:30:59 AM
H1N1 vaccine linked to 700 percent increase in miscarriages
Wednesday, December 08, 2010 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer
 
(NaturalNews) Recent data presented to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) Advisory Committee on Children's Vaccines has revealed some shocking information about the effects of the H1N1 / swine flu vaccine on pregnant women. According to the report, the rate of miscarriage among pregnant women during the 2009 H1N1 / swine flu pandemic soared by over 700 percent compared to previous years, pointing directly to the vaccine as the culprit -- but the CDC denies the truth and continues to insist nobody has been harmed.

According to the CDC, nearly 50 percent of all pregnant women were vaccinated with the H1N1 vaccine during the 2009 / 2010 influenza season. Those whose physicians instructed them to get a seasonal flu shot were three times more likely to get it, while those instructed specifically to get the H1N1 shot were ten times more likely to get it. And the numbers clearly show that along with the rise in vaccinations due to the H1N1 scare came the sharp increase in miscarriages, including a slew of actual reported adverse events.

But the CDC does not seem to care about the facts, as numerous reports indicate the agency has failed to report any of this vital information to vaccine suppliers. In fact, when presented with the data for the third time, Dr. Marie McCormick, chair of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Vaccine Risk and Assessment Working Group, actually had the audacity to claim that there were no vaccine-related adverse events in pregnant women caused by the vaccine.

"This baseless and fallacious assessment by the CDC assessment group has given the green light to the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to continue their recommendation to give the 2010/11 flu shot to all people, including pregnant women," explained Eileen Dannemann, director of the National Coalition of Organized Women, presenter of the information.

"This upcoming 2010/11 flu vaccine contains the same elements that are implicated in the killing of these fetuses, the H1N1 viral component and the neurotoxin mercury (Thimerosal). Additionally, it contains two other viral strains -- a three-in-one shot for all people."

Overall, the number of vaccine-related "fetal demise" reports increased by 2,440 percent in 2009 compared to previous years, which is even more shocking than the miscarriage statistic. Meanwhile, the CDC continues to lie to the public about the vaccine, urging everyone, including pregnant women, to get it.

To read the report for yourself, visit: http://www.progressiveconvergence.c...
 


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030657_vaccines_miscarriages.html#ixzz17XRt1oyz


http://www.naturalnews.com/030657_vaccines_miscarriages.html
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: parentsfortruth on March 03, 2011, 02:45:23 PM
The naysayers here, and the ones that trust their doctors, should really do their own investigating. Here's a couple of great places to start.

http://healthfreedomusa.org

http://www.generationrescue.org/

Look at this: And we wonder why autism has gone up THOUSANDS OF PERCENT!

(http://www.vaclib.org/images/vaccin1.gif)

My sister had two completely normal children before both were vaccinated, and following the vaccinations, they had terrible bowel problems and couldn't talk until they were 6!!!!

If vaccines saved lives, why is Bill Gates wanting to use them for population control/reduction? I would think vaccinating people would make MORE of them live... not less....

http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=A155D113455FAC882A3290536575C723

Read this:
http://www.naturalnews.com/031116_Dr_Andrew_Wakefield_British_Medical_Journal.html

If this stuff doesn't convince you, I don't know what the heck will.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Anna1959 on August 14, 2011, 06:31:47 PM
None of my children were ever vaccinated except in one case; I crafted a religious exemption letter which passed the approval of my lawyer. I have used it for every conceivable purpose without a problem (and I have lived in two states, PA and NJ).

I homeschool my children, but in PA you still have to give evidence of vaccination or a religious exemption. Regardless, I have never had a problem.

Once, however, in NJ, my son fell and in the ER they wanted to give him a tetanus shot. I allowed it because that is one vaccine I do not feel is dangerous based on research I have done. Besides, if one is to be given at all, I think after is better than "just in case", since the child may never need it anyway.

However, if there are any vaccines you do believe are safe, and you don't want to create issues with your pediatrician, get those vaccines in the ER since the pediatrician usually doesn't know what goes on there.

My state does not allow philosophical exemptions, otherwise I wouldn't need to do that....I wish more states had philosophical exemptions!

For more info on state laws, see http://www.909shot.com
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Jessa on October 24, 2011, 12:36:11 AM
What about when your children are required to have them to attend a public school? My nephew just turned 5 yesterday.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: momofmany on October 24, 2011, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: Jessa
What about when your children are required to have them to attend a public school? My nephew just turned 5 yesterday.


Depends on where you live. All states have medical exemptions, most have religious and some have philosophical. As a Catholic you can use the religious exemption for vaccines derived from aborted fetal cell lines. The public school system will tell you that you have no choice but to vaccinate on schedule but fact of the matter is that in most states you do have a choice. It usually requires paperwork and jumping through hoops, sometimes yearly but a child can go to public school nine times out of ten even if they are not fully vaccinated. Now, private school is a different story.

Type: 'your state' vaccine exemption

into google and click on the link that goes to your state health department. That will give you the most accurate info and the forms necessary.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Jessa on October 24, 2011, 01:28:07 PM
Well here I know that they can't attend day care if they don't, which is the issiue I ran into. I am not sure what Private schools policy is, do they require all of them also?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on October 24, 2011, 03:35:10 PM
Day care...?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Jessa on October 24, 2011, 04:16:56 PM
Yes , most day cares here require shot records to prove your child has had them, they will not take your child with out them.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: momofmany on October 24, 2011, 05:05:26 PM
Quote from: Jessa
Well here I know that they can't attend day care if they don't, which is the issiue I ran into. I am not sure what Private schools policy is, do they require all of them also?


Most private schools also require them and you have no recourse to opt out as attendence is a privilege not a right. Same with daycares, they are private institutions that can accept and deny attendence at will. You can't *make* them take your child.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Jessa on October 25, 2011, 12:16:44 PM
Correct!
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: MyrnaM on October 27, 2011, 08:08:59 PM
I haven't been posting here for awhile, ever since a certain person was allowed to use offensive language, yes, at my age I was scandalized.  No doubt because this is a Catholic forum.  Anyway, I do still come here and check my PM's, it just so happens one of the members here asked me through the messenger if I would copy and paste the PM she sent me.  She is not familiar with how to post here and feels she has something important for this thread to share;  Below is her note to all of you.  

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Our granddaughter is in the hospital.  Diarrhea and vomiting and fever low 101 not too bad.  But she is 6 months old and had the 3rd shot Oct 12 and she was admitted Oct 24.  It is hard to convince our daughter and son-in-law to educate themselves before doing this.  The pediatrics are saying a stomach flu and I don't buy it.  We just had a family get together Oct 23 and everyone is healthy, no one shows illness.  Our granddaughter is not in day care. She stays at home with grandmas, when needed.  But anyone who wants to share their thoughts on the dangers of vaccines, and I would like to hear how long it takes from shot to reactions.  I can not recall myself, but I certainly pointed my fingers there and vowed I would warn and educate our children for their babies.  Our daughter is the youngest of 4.  She has seen her sisters have babies before her with so far no problems as she can see.  BUT no one should take chances and wait to see the results that could be even death!  Songbird


Please pray for this child, and her family, we must pray for each other, always!

I am sure you will all agree.  
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on October 27, 2011, 09:14:34 PM
Prayers from me.  :pray:
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: MyrnaM on October 29, 2011, 08:48:56 AM
Received this PM from "Songbird", truly I don't know why she can't post herself, but she explained that she just can't, and ask I add her note to this thread.

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Thank you Myrna. Add to this post. Our granddaughter had 2 hours of seizures! She is back in ICU. The doctor listened to my one sentence, "Thank you for not overlooking baby shots." The doctor looked at the parents and asked, who, what, when where and why! My daugther and son-in-law said , we will hold off her shots from now on! The readers should know, this 6 month old baby was never in day care, not around sickness. Was never sick, and the fever of 101 was down. She was doing very well yesterday and this morning there was talk of the baby going home. For the seizure being a sudden surprise, and for so long we were blessed to be in the hospital and for quick response to her needs. Believe me, all of this is not worth the shots! The baby is now getting an MRI which will be and hour and a half. We had so many tears and so many prayers and we thank you for them! Songbird
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: MaterDominici on October 30, 2011, 01:57:40 PM
www.greatergoodmovie.org

I just got this from Dr. Mercola. I don't have time to watch it, but it looks good. He says it's free to watch until Nov 5th. Someone watch it for me and give me the summary. : )
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: songbird on October 30, 2011, 09:53:42 PM
Thank You for this post and thank you for the web sites.  I did go to the videos and I am happy to have read those issues with vaccines.  Our grand daughter of 6 months appears to be herself, and no complications, so far!  The way I see it, she is not out to the woods.  A nurse may say, "if you don't vaccinate, watch your child, BUT I would say just the opposite.  If you vaccinate your child, even if you watch your child for side effects, you can not suck out what went in and you certainly can not reverse the damage done.  Consider that, that what is done is done!  So, I thank Myrna for posting for me and I hope this post makes it!  songbird
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: aussiemum on February 16, 2012, 11:25:31 PM
My own children aged now 2 and 1 years old were somewhat different to each other when it came to vaccinations.
I can only speak for myself here and also what I have seen as a former childcare worker-
our son was fully vaccinated for his first year. However, in this time he suffered severe conjutivitis after his 1st vaccination, his 2nd vaccination at 6 weeks cause conjunctivitis AGAIN and a minor- moderate flu symptoms- with his 4 month vaccination (the same vaccination as the 2nd vaccination-2 month vaccination) he ended up in hospital for a whole week hooked up to tubes fighting to survive with Bronchiolitis apparently the result of the vaccination but supposedly chances of this happening are low- though do happen. Since then has had asthma caused by the bronchiolitis and also got bronchiolits 6 more times by the end of his first year- he had a bad immune system also. We didnt take him to have anymore vaccinations after his 12 month shot and his immune system has picked up BIG TIME, he is a healthy happy boy and his asthma is now almost non-existant. Our 2nd child had her in hospital vaccination which made her EXTREMLY irritable and fussy- she would SCREAM almost 24/7 and she would rarely sleep unless she was with us- this caused some difficulty as you can imagine- we sought help and were told she was a high dependancy baby who will eventually grow out of it but babies like her usually can be un-consollable and its best to either sleep in her room with her or have her in our room with us because no amount of sleep training would solve the issue- apparently babies with such issue usually have to GROW out of it. She did by the age of about 4-5 months and was in her own cot in her own room sleeping through the night.
Then by her 2 month vaccination (2nd vaccination) she had this and went from perfectly healthy to in hospital having mucas cleared from her airways so she could breath within 24 hours of her vaccination (the same one our son got bad flu like symptoms with and then bronchiolitis with the 4 month one) .
So we didnt take her to have another vaccination.
And you know what she has had only 2 vaccinations out of the several within the first year and she is the HEALTHIEST person in our house even our family (that includes our parents and siblings who are fully vaccinated- yet despite vaccination managed to catch things like whooping cough) she rarely gets anything and when she does she has it for 24-48 hours and its gone just like that. Her 12 month health check and my sons 2 year health check(both  NOT UP TO DATE with vaccinations and are NOT HAVING THEM) are in perfect health- developing perfectly in fact the are ABOVE average including my daughter (who ONLY had the 2 vaccinations)  who is also HUGELY above average in height and weight for her age- already close to the size of her brother who is also slightly above average in size and he is 13 months (over a year) older than her.
We have also been exposed to things like whooping cough (by vaccinated people mind you) etc where the moment we found out about the exposure we got antibiotics straight away and then quarantined ourselves for the incubation and contagious periods but so far no dramas at all.
So nothing bad for us so far from stopping vaccination if anything BIG improvements on all boards.
On my experience as a former childcare worker with 5years experience in the industry I have NEVER worked in a centre that had a child that was not vaccinated or not up to date with vaccinations yet children at the centres still managed to get and spread these vaccination preventable diseases amongst other things despite good hygiene practices done by the centres and also proper exclusion periods in place.
Good luck though
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maizar on February 27, 2012, 04:55:57 AM
Hi Aussiemum,

We had the same problems and so took our children out of childcare (it ended up cheaper to hire someone at home in any case, paradoxically). After that we had nearly zero illnesses in a whole year. The viruses have a latent phase so they spread before the child has symptoms, and some survive just long enough on surfaces like trolley handles and the rails of escalators to spread. But it's usually toys, and parents who lie about their kid's health due to work pressures.

Also, not all vaccines give life long immunity (in some people they don't even work), but having had some exposure to the antigen, the body is faster in responding to the real virus and so you only get mildly sick. And how a child reacts to anything is a bit unpredictable because the immune system of each person is differently honed - some people react violently to a virus whereas others have hardly a sniffle. That's part of the "herd survival" build into our genes.

It's worth remembering that the two biggest things that have improved the health and survival of people in the modern world were sanitation and nutrition. Vaccines are often credited with the success too, but I'm not so sure they are that important. Because we don't see any of those viruses anymore (when did you last see 1% of your city's childhood population die of Measles?) it's easy to consider vaccines as risky and bad. It's a gamble that people in the past were more than willing to take, just not so much today.

I have read the various articles that are around like "The Vaccine Hoax (http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html)", and I sort of half believe them. What worries me is that something like a mass vaccination program is a huge vulnerability in a society. What if someone got in and did something to those vaccines... when would we find out about it?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Robin on March 25, 2012, 08:38:58 PM
Years ago...and not that many years ago vaccines were available that were not growth in tissues of aborted children. That being said most today are grown in this. Several years ago the Angelus featured an article about the danger of vaccines. If you check out the Angelus Press I am sure you can find the issue and obtain a copy. I have it here ...somewhere.  However, you need to search your heart and your soul and make the decision for yourself for you and your own children. Some years ago our daughter, now 14, who had been immunized for Hamephilous B was quite ill. Our ENT decided to culture this infection only to find out that it was Hamephilous B , if he had not she would have went into mennigitis. I checked out her vaccination record only to learn that the vaccines given to her were found not to adequate to protect children...that being said...I have lost faith in vaccines as well. A friend gets a flu vaccination every year and every year she winds up with a terrible flu....I do not get the vaccine nor the flu.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: SeanJohnson on April 07, 2012, 10:37:41 AM
No shots.

I am not a scientist, but I know better than to subject my children to something surrounded by so much controversy.

Everyone knows the doctors, insurance companies, and pharma are all in bed together.

And their revenues/incomes are all tied together.

You should have seen the perplexed look on our former pediatrician's face when I asked him to explain why my pregnant wife cannot even have a tuna sandwhich because of the possibility it might contain a minute trace of mercury, but paradoxically, I should not be concerned to give my infant son a flu shot which contains a significantly higher amount of liquid mercury.

No answer (or attempt to answer) was offered.

But I already know the answer: Doctors lose significant revenues if even a small percentage of their patients refuse vaccinations.

You can read about it here:

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/vaccines/do-doctors-have-financial-incentive-get-their-patients-fully-vaccinated
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Lover of Truth on June 27, 2012, 11:55:41 AM
Vaccines kill.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: SaintBasil on June 27, 2012, 01:43:28 PM
GOD gave us all we ned to survive.

Jews tat control our medical industry, wreck havoc on our physical health with vacccines and other 'cures'.

It is no coincidence that autism is now 1 in 80.

NO VACCINES!
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nylndech on June 27, 2012, 07:27:46 PM
I was a child in a time when there was little suspicion of vaccines.  I've had various kinds of vaccinations and I've never had any unusual health concerns.  I never took a flu vaccine and never had the flu either.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: 1917 on July 23, 2012, 08:01:37 AM
Scrubbed from the internet within days - Mercola link, sorry if you've already seen

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/23/merck-vaccine-fraud-story-buried.aspx?e_cid=20120723_DNL_artNew_1

I vaccinated my first during the first year - I believe she got whooping cough as at night I had to sit up with her to help her breath in between coughs, it lasted a very few days -  and then really started reading...

Every midwife after that would badger me but I said no to any more vaccines.

The rest had nothing, not even tetanus.  The youngest is 15 and I have had no complications.  They've had mumps, rubella, chicken pox (very mild!) and lots of colds ... as I did not keep a diary who knows what else.  All I can say though is that the less you worry the better.

Ideas for keeping a temprature down (not tried but got off the internet), eggs whites on the soles - it helps to take the temperature away from the head and down to the feet where it can do no damage.

I put them on their tummies to sleep, they slept with me for the first 6 months and they were kept warmer than the doctors tell you.  I stopped listening to doctors and started listening to my feelings and other mum's experiences.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on September 07, 2012, 04:59:04 AM
Quote from: aussiemum
My own children aged now 2 and 1 years old were somewhat different to each other when it came to vaccinations.
I can only speak for myself here and also what I have seen as a former childcare worker-
our son was fully vaccinated for his first year. However, in this time he suffered severe conjutivitis after his 1st vaccination, his 2nd vaccination at 6 weeks cause conjunctivitis AGAIN and a minor- moderate flu symptoms- with his 4 month vaccination (the same vaccination as the 2nd vaccination-2 month vaccination) he ended up in hospital for a whole week hooked up to tubes fighting to survive with Bronchiolitis apparently the result of the vaccination but supposedly chances of this happening are low- though do happen. Since then has had asthma caused by the bronchiolitis and also got bronchiolits 6 more times by the end of his first year- he had a bad immune system also. We didnt take him to have anymore vaccinations after his 12 month shot and his immune system has picked up BIG TIME, he is a healthy happy boy and his asthma is now almost non-existant. Our 2nd child had her in hospital vaccination which made her EXTREMLY irritable and fussy- she would SCREAM almost 24/7 and she would rarely sleep unless she was with us- this caused some difficulty as you can imagine- we sought help and were told she was a high dependancy baby who will eventually grow out of it but babies like her usually can be un-consollable and its best to either sleep in her room with her or have her in our room with us because no amount of sleep training would solve the issue- apparently babies with such issue usually have to GROW out of it. She did by the age of about 4-5 months and was in her own cot in her own room sleeping through the night.
Then by her 2 month vaccination (2nd vaccination) she had this and went from perfectly healthy to in hospital having mucas cleared from her airways so she could breath within 24 hours of her vaccination (the same one our son got bad flu like symptoms with and then bronchiolitis with the 4 month one) .
So we didnt take her to have another vaccination.
And you know what she has had only 2 vaccinations out of the several within the first year and she is the HEALTHIEST person in our house even our family (that includes our parents and siblings who are fully vaccinated- yet despite vaccination managed to catch things like whooping cough) she rarely gets anything and when she does she has it for 24-48 hours and its gone just like that. Her 12 month health check and my sons 2 year health check(both  NOT UP TO DATE with vaccinations and are NOT HAVING THEM) are in perfect health- developing perfectly in fact the are ABOVE average including my daughter (who ONLY had the 2 vaccinations)  who is also HUGELY above average in height and weight for her age- already close to the size of her brother who is also slightly above average in size and he is 13 months (over a year) older than her.
We have also been exposed to things like whooping cough (by vaccinated people mind you) etc where the moment we found out about the exposure we got antibiotics straight away and then quarantined ourselves for the incubation and contagious periods but so far no dramas at all.
So nothing bad for us so far from stopping vaccination if anything BIG improvements on all boards.
On my experience as a former childcare worker with 5years experience in the industry I have NEVER worked in a centre that had a child that was not vaccinated or not up to date with vaccinations yet children at the centres still managed to get and spread these vaccination preventable diseases amongst other things despite good hygiene practices done by the centres and also proper exclusion periods in place.
Good luck though


Dear Aussie Mum,

Have you reported all these adverse events to any authority? Each state must collect this information.

If you get fobbed off, and even if you don’t, make sure you contact Meryl Dorey of Australian Vaccination Network, Old Byron Bay Road, Newrybar, NSW, 2479, phone (02) 6687 1699 as her organisation collects such information. It helps to keep the health authorities up to the mark, and honest (if that is possible). I just tried to google the website address and instead got the first four pages of anti-AVN propaganda. and stop the AVN campaigns    

They must be winning in the fight for informed decision-making and the right to choose or refuse vaccination. They were taken to court and won the case on being able to continue their work. It is extremely important that they are supported.

After a very difficult search, I have found their website. I strongly suggest you save it in your favourites because it’s hard to get otherwise. Looks they they are under attack from all sides. Here it is: http://www.www.avn.org.au/
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Conspiracy_Factist on September 22, 2012, 07:20:00 AM
i strongly suggest supplementing your children with a good vitamin c product..and ofcourse don't take any vaccines
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Innit on October 01, 2012, 03:46:24 AM
meh...it's all just propaganda boys and girls. Vaccines are fun innit?  :gandalf:
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on October 15, 2012, 09:34:47 PM
Teenage Girl Becomes Infertile after Gardasil Vaccination http://www.pop.org/content/teenage-girl-becomes-infertile-after-gardasil-vaccination
 
See also Premature ovarian failure 3 years after menarche in a 16-year-old girl following human papillomavirus vaccination,
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2012/bcr-2012-006879.abstract
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Lover of Truth on October 18, 2012, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: Nadir
Teenage Girl Becomes Infertile after Gardasil Vaccination http://www.pop.org/content/teenage-girl-becomes-infertile-after-gardasil-vaccination
 
See also Premature ovarian failure 3 years after menarche in a 16-year-old girl following human papillomavirus vaccination,
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2012/bcr-2012-006879.abstract


I didn't read the thread but the answer to the question is "no".  
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on October 19, 2012, 12:22:00 PM
The big picture:  vaccines, corporate controlled gmo food, geoengineering, etc = serious "depopulation" efforts by those who serve the enemy.
Put on your armor (Sunday's Epistle), but if martyrdom is His Will, rejoice.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: drivocek on December 29, 2012, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: AnaA
What about the flu vaccine that's now being promoted? Is that going to be safe?



NO!  Do not take the flu vaccine.  Someone overheard a conversation between a lady (am well known figure in our hometown society) and a doctor who advised her in whispered tones NOT to take the vaccine as it was "doctored."  Unintended pun.

          Quantum potes, Tantum Aude.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pelly on January 09, 2013, 12:10:50 PM
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
Vaccines made of aborted fetues are sinful to use. if you ask for the source I will give you.
and "vatican accepts/allows them" is not a valid argument, because vatican allows gay parade, islamism and pan religious worship too!

@spouse of Jesus The Holy See allows these abominations? No, it can't be true. Are you just kidding? It means that if there's not an ethical alternative, then you need to decide to whether to get your child vaccinated or not. (Anyways, I think that the Holy See is not in favour of gay parades, though NO. Also, the Church is independent from secular powers)
BTW I've heard that somebody became diabetic after a tick-borne encephalitis shot. The phenomeon of pathogen-induced autoimmune disease is terrible. My former grammar and literature teacher's graddaugter developed celiac disease and diabetes type 1 after getting sick from calicivirus. And she is just in kindergarten! Her childhood is ruined, because she can't eat sweets, has to do that painful routine. If she want to eat sweets, she will need to expose herself to additives (not all sweeteners are additives). So the best thing is a permanent Langerhans implantation (how can I do it to her for free? I'm not a good surgeon, I'm not a surgeon at all) plus a bowel transplant (if the celiac disease (PI(Pathogen-Induced)CD) she have is curable with a bowel transplant, since I think that a deformed tTg gene alters the structure of the enzyme transglutaminase, thus resembing a virus protein and triggering the reaction...).
So I think that persons with familiar history of CD or other autoimmune diseases from both lineage should avoid vaccines.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on January 09, 2013, 08:55:59 PM
Quote from: Pelly
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
Vaccines made of aborted fetues are sinful to use. if you ask for the source I will give you.
and "vatican accepts/allows them" is not a valid argument, because vatican allows gay parade, islamism and pan religious worship too!

@spouse of Jesus The Holy See allows these abominations? No, it can't be true. Are you just kidding? It means that if there's not an ethical alternative, then you need to decide to whether to get your child vaccinated or not.


This organisation, Children of God for Life, has been working on trying to get morally acceptable vax for years. See: http://www.cogforlife.org/vaticanresponse.htm
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Robin on January 11, 2013, 09:43:23 AM
For years we did not have all these vaccines. We lived nicely without them. Personally I had the smallpox at 18 months and oral polio at 9 or 10. Other than that nothing....nada... I will be 62 on Saturday. I have had all the flu infections, measles, chicken pox ( age at 32/8wks pregnant with my 6th child). And yes shingles a few years ago....once you have these things you build an immunity to them.  In the case of shingles proper and immediate  treatment will reduce the risk of getting it again.

Why be injected with toxins masked as prevention? Grown in the cells of aborted children??? Why? Because the government or a doctor said so? I say NO!
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pelly on January 12, 2013, 04:42:03 AM
I've heard that there is a microchip in the Tamiflu shot.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: rowsofvoices9 on January 12, 2013, 10:35:31 AM
WHAT'S REALLY IN VACCINES

Facts are particularly stubborn things, and this video shares several facts directly from the Centers for Disease Control's own website.  There must be a reason why at least 158 healthcare workers that we know of are refusing vaccines and getting fired for it.   Kinda makes you wonder why the CDC is about to recommend that EVERYONE get a mandatory seasonal flu shot doesn't it? - W.E.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7oUSFW1piSU#!

So here we have it! The government KNOWS that vaccines are a total hoax! Secret US government documents that YOU can access prove it! According to Mike Adams of Natural News, countless MILLIONS OF CHILDREN are now at tremendous risk of serious side effects and even death from these vaccinations. Meanwhile, the criminal powers that be continue to push them for everything from the flu to mandatory child birth vaccinations. Are vaccinations part of the depopulation agenda? What is REALLY inside of them? The video below examines that in depth.  
 (NaturalNews) If you have children, you are more than likely already aware of the official U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “Immunization Schedules,” which today recommend an astounding 29 vaccines be given between birth and six years of age, including yearly flu shots, as well as another five to 16 vaccines between ages seven and 18 (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/). But a recent investigative report compiled by Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic, Ph.D., uncovers more than 30 years of hidden government documents exposing these vaccine schedules as a complete hoax, not to mention the fraud of the vaccines themselves to provide any real protection against disease.  Though her paper focuses primarily on the British health system’s elaborate cover-up of the dirty truth about its own national vaccination program, the tenets of the study’s findings still apply to vaccination schedules in general, which are typically designed for the purpose of serving corporate interests rather than public health. Government authorities, it turns out, in an ongoing bid to satisfy the private goals of the vaccine industry, have deliberately covered up pertinent information about the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines from parents in order to maintain a high rate of vaccination compliance. And in the process, they have put countless millions of children at risk of serious side effects and death.
 You can access Dr. Tomljenovic’s full paper here: http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf

http://www.infiltratednation.com/2013/01/whats-really-in-vaccines.html
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: NatusPrimus on February 04, 2013, 11:52:45 PM
There's a couple at the chapel we go to who are having their first son, so we share a lot of info and our experiences with each other.  Both of them are special ed. teachers and told us that 3 out of 4 of their students are boys!  They talked about how with girls, you can tell there was truly something biological about their disability that was birth-related, but with the boys, you could tell is was something different and that it wasn't a problem from birth; all of the parents they talk with claim that their sons were affected after being vaccinated.

The wife of this couple told us that researchers and pharmaceuticals know that the mercury in vaccs. bind with testosterone on a molecular level, which prevents the body from processing or filtering the mercury to get rid of it.  This mercury then causes neurological damage and mental/physical disabilities.  Although there are mercury-free vaccs are out there, sometimes the medical staff lies about giving mercury-free vaccs.  You have to tell them that you want to see them draw the vacc. from the small vial, as only the small vials are merc-free; the large vials are mass-produced and contain mercury.  Now that American parents are wising-up, Big Pharma has begun shipping its mercury-tainted vaccs overseas to 3rd World countries.

I'll have to ask her for the source, but she specifically mentioned reading about 1 family who settled out of court with a pharm., which supposedly included a gag-order.  Another family was using a specialized diet to help rid the mercury, which they noticed their son's improvement...until they stained (sealed?) their outdoor deck.  The stain/sealer contained mercury and when their son later walked on it barefoot, his body was absorbing the mercury through his skin.  Again, I'll have to ask her for the source.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: ShepherdofSheep on February 06, 2013, 03:40:27 PM
I haven't read through this entire thread, but it was very interesting.  

I'd like to make a point, however- and I am saying this as a naturally skeptical individual who has never had a vaccination in her life and hasn't died yet from these "dangerous diseases"- I don't think that anybody who has posted in this thread as far as I have read is in a position to really understand how vaccines work, and what happens when adverse reactions occur.  I don't think any of us- myself included- is a biochemist, immunologist, virologist, molecular biologist, or even a MD.  If there is anybody who is, please chime in!  

Just because something is available on the internet doesn't mean that it is true.  I really don't believe almost anything I hear about this topic.  I believe that vaccines can and do produce adverse reactions in people, and I also think that people are over-vaccinated.

I do not believe that all vaccines in all circumstances are bad.  My experience is primarily in the veterinary field (and I am not a vet- just a student).  I can assure you without a doubt that if we did not have enterotoxemia and tetanus vaccines, the losses of livestock due to these two terrible and fatal diseases would be staggering.  People ask what happened to livestock before we had vaccines available for rabies, exterotoxemia, brucellosis, tetanus, etc.  They died- plain and simple.  Probably fewer were infected because we manage them differently now- enterotoxemia and tetanus, for example, are pretty rare in flocks and herds allowed to forage and managed in a nomadic/pasture-based system.  But because of how we handle livestock management now, I would say it's practically a necessity.  I could give countless stories about very sad situations that were likely very preventable had the proper vaccines been administered correctly.  

I don't think that it's all a big conspiracy by the pharm companies, producing these livestock vaccines.  Like I said, I don't know much about human medicine.  

I am just saying that it is a good idea to do some homework before accepting one person's comment as the absolute truth.  And I'm definitely not pro-vaccine- I think they are (morally produced) a wonderful blessing when necessary, but good to avoid when not.  I think that most kids who play in the dirt are probably naturally immune to tetanus, for example.  And there is a difference here between these livestock vaccines and those for humans.  Most vaccines for livestock are for diseases that are FATAL.  Usually, most diseases for which people are vaccinated against are NOT.  That, or they are so uncommon that the chances of becoming infected are close to nil.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on February 25, 2013, 07:34:42 PM
Just thought I'd let you all know about these cases of premature menopause in a 16 year old and a 13 year old girl, following vaccination with Gardasil.

http://www.fli.org.au/wp-content/uploads/Lifelines-Vol.-26-No.-1.pdf
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Caviezel Fan on March 04, 2013, 11:07:24 AM
I had received the smallpox vaccine when I was about 6, the measles vaccine and polio oral vaccine around that time period as well, and nothing negative happened to me.  Maybe the vaccine ingredients have changed since the late 60s, causing more problems with recipients than they did years ago.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on March 04, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: Caviezel Fan
I had received the smallpox vaccine when I was about 6, the measles vaccine and polio oral vaccine around that time period as well, and nothing negative happened to me.  Maybe the vaccine ingredients have changed since the late 60s, causing more problems with recipients than they did years ago.


Dear Caviezal Fan,

Welcome to CathInfo forum.

Not everybody is noticeably negatively affected by vaccinations. However there are enough adverse reactions, which are rarely acknowledged, to cause concern.

You will find Vaccine Safety links here:

Quote
The AVN urges you to carefully examine both before making your decision. These websites will give you a good start in seeking out information on the what those who are critical of vaccine benefits and effectiveness have found through research and personal experience. If you feel that an important site is missing from any of our links pages, please leave the link or links in the comment section below.


http://avn.org.au/website-links/vaccine-safety-links/
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Caviezel Fan on March 05, 2013, 10:57:41 AM
I am sure there are, Nadir - a lot of people have adverse reactions due to allergies/hypersensitivity.  That is really sad to hear about those two teenage girls having such a horrible reaction to the Guadasil vaccinations.  No drug or vaccination is 100% side-effect free.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on March 05, 2013, 04:27:36 PM
Quote from: Caviezel Fan
I am sure there are, Nadir - a lot of people have adverse reactions due to allergies/hypersensitivity.  That is really sad to hear about those two teenage girls having such a horrible reaction to the Guadasil vaccinations.  No drug or vaccination is 100% side-effect free.


Side-effects with medications are inevitable but we are not here discussing medicines that are therapeutic, and therefore usually fix an already existing problem. Vaccinations are not therapeutic.

And side effects and adverse reactions are routinely denied, to the detriment of health and even the lives of children and others.

Yesterday I was in the pharmacy and I overheard a young woman asking the pharmacist about risks of flu Vax. He totally denied any risk of acquiring flu from the flu vax. The young lady walked out the door at the same time as I did, and I quietly said that she should do a search and suggested a website. Then she said to me "everybody I know who has had the flu vaccination has got sick". Now that little anecdaote is hardly scientific research, nevertheless as you will note if you read some of the links on the page I posted, or even read the whole of this topic, there is quite a lot of evidence to show that vaccination is not quite what it is advertised to be.

Vaccination in the third world has been used surreptitiously to sterilize. That's just one proven fact. Why not here?



Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pelly on March 06, 2013, 02:41:28 AM
What? Vaccination as a population control method? I didn't hear about it. If it turns out that these vaccines contain a sterilizing agent, then they should be banned. Also, contraception is not the solution for poverty, for hunger, etc. People need to care less about animals and more about their poor fellows.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on March 06, 2013, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: Pelly
What? Vaccination as a population control method? I didn't hear about it. If it turns out that these vaccines contain a sterilizing agent, then they should be banned.


Pelly, here is an article about this from a vaccine related website:
http://thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

and an article from a Catholic pro-life organisation dated 1996:
 http://www.pop.org/content/bad-blood-in-the-philippines-1200
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Renzo on March 07, 2013, 02:22:12 AM
"IDRC Rep. 1995 Jan;22(4):10.
India's vaccine inventor: Gursaran Talwar.
Rai U.
Abstract
PIP:
Dr Gursaran Talwar, 68, has worked for almost 20 years to find a safe, long-lasting, and reversible contraceptive vaccine. The Director of India's National Institute of Immunology began his research in the mid 1970s with financial support from the Indian government and IDRC. Toxicology studies were conducted for 10 years. The vaccine increases production of antibodies against human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG), a hormone which assists in preparing the uterus for embryo implantation. The vaccine blocks this process and prevents pregnancy. Without the vaccine, 50-75% of embryos fail to be implanted because of antibodies to HCG; with the vaccine, 100% do. The vaccine is administered once a month for 3 months. Although another form of contraception must be used during this time, protection afterwards lasts for a year. Boosters are given annually. In a clinical study of 88 vaccinated women, 1 pregnancy occurred in 821 menstrual cycles. Fertility returns with discontinuation of the vaccinations. Dr Talwar is also working on a contraceptive for the 3-month period using the purified extract of the neem tree, a male contraceptive, a treatment for prostate cancer, and a vaccine against leprosy.
PMID: 12288547 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12288547

Dr. (creepy) Talwar is a Legion of Honour recipient, the highest decoration in France.  

"Prof. Dr. G. P. Talwar, B.Sc(Hons), M.Sc (Tech) served as the Head of Biochemistry at All India Institute of Medical Science, New Delhi (AIIMS). Prof. Dr. Talwar served as the Head of Research and Training Centre in Immunology of WHO for India and South East Asia, Professor of Eminence and Senior Consultant, International Centre for Genetic Engineering and Bio Technology, New Delhi. He served as an Independent Non Executive Director of Ahlcon Parenterals (India) Ltd. from January 30, 2002 to November 9, 2012 and has been very instrumental in advising it on new product development. He is the Founder Director of National Institute of Immunology. He serves as Director of Talwar Research Foundation. He has been bestowed with several prestigious Honours and Awards by many premier organizations at national and international level. He is a Padma Bhushan and Officerde la Legion d' Honour. Prof. Dr. Talwar has the qualifications of B. Sc (Hons.), M.Sc (Tech.) and Docteures Sciences (Sorbonne)."

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=45329510&ticker=AHP:IN&previousCapId=13501124&previousTitle=AHLCON%20PARENTERALS%20(INDIA)

Birth Control Vaccine Sought

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2002&dat=19730821&id=E4MkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ANoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2430,1206189
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Renzo on March 07, 2013, 02:39:11 AM
"For over 20 years, World Health Organization has been deeply involved in researching ways to make women's bodies reject their own children."

"Dr. Gursaran Prasad Talwar. Talwar, the founder of the National Institute of Immunology in New Delhi, India, is generally acknowledged to be the “father” of research into abortifacient vaccines."

"Philippine women may have been unwittingly vaccinated against their own children, a recent study conducted by the Philippine Medical Association (PMA) has indicated."

"But from the point of view of numerous Filipinas, the most disturbing allegation against Talwar is that he has, in the past, tested his abortifacient vaccines on women without first testing them on animals. Both Indian researchers and WHO officials are on record as declaring that such abuses have occurred. Their testimony has helped fire opposition to the vaccine, especially on the part of women's groups."

http://www.pop.org/content/bad-blood-in-the-philippines-1200


Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Croix de Fer on March 07, 2013, 11:52:55 AM
Early Downward Trends in Neurodevelopmental
Disorders Following Removal of Thimerosal-
Containing Vaccines (from Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons)  (http://www.jpands.org/vol11no1/geier.pdf)

shows increasing, and subsequent decreasing, occurrence of Autism and speech disorders correlate to expanded, and subsequently contracted, thimerosal-containing (mercury) vaccines, respectfully...

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pelly on March 07, 2013, 12:47:25 PM
Allegedly, Bill Gates said that vaccines are used for depopulation. He is the founder of Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which cares for sick children. I think that he should care more with the foundation and less about the gay agenda and Agenda 21.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Geremia on March 07, 2013, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: Pelly
Allegedly, Bill Gates said that vaccines are used for depopulation. He is the founder of Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which cares for sick children. I think that he should care more with the foundation and less about the gay agenda and Agenda 21.
An excellent site on this topic is: http://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineinfo.htm
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pelly on March 08, 2013, 07:35:50 AM
Is it true that the method for the aborted rubella vaccine was supported by the Church? Or the method of the cultivation, whether it be chicken, etc?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Geremia on March 08, 2013, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: Pelly
Is it true that the method for the aborted rubella vaccine was supported by the Church?
This is Angel Rodríguez Luño's opinion; he is Professor of Fundamental Moral Theology, Pontifical University of the Holy Cross, Rome. Read his Medicina e Morale article "Moral Reflections on Vaccines Prepared From Cells Derived From Aborted Human Foetuses (http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/doc/doc_40vaccinesfoetuses.html)."

He doesn't really "supported" it, but essentially argues the Church can "tolerate" it.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on March 12, 2013, 04:13:31 PM
No more flu vaccinations for me.  This is the best I have ever felt.  Not once did I get sick this year.   Everytime I had the flu shot I would be sick very sick...
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Geremia on March 14, 2013, 01:28:31 AM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
No more flu vaccinations for me.  This is the best I have ever felt.  Not once did I get sick this year.   Everytime I had the flu shot I would be sick very sick...
The flu shots aren't tainted with aborted fetal cell DNA, that I know of…

Avoid the MMR and HepA ones like the plague. There are no ethical versions of it in the U.S. The MMR one has >10 ng/dose of aborted fetal DNA, which has been linked to autism. (http://www.cogforlife.org/scpiautismstudypress.htm) Avoid also Pentacel; use Pediarix instead.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Napoli on May 07, 2013, 10:34:04 AM
Flu vaccines are the pharmaceutical companies way of making an easy profit. Quite frankly, they could put water in those syringes and it would be more beneficial. At least you would get hydration.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Boots on June 17, 2013, 10:01:07 PM
The common cold is actually a good thing - it is a type of detoxification. If you bombard your body with toxins, like a flu vaccine your body tries to detox, hence the flu. If you keep bombarding your body & inhibit the detox process by taking cough syrups and medications or medicated candies, your body will eventually stop trying to detox. When you get to that stage & you don't detox in some way, you'll start getting sick. Another component in illness is the prevalence of candida, which prevents the absorption of nutrients, so eating good food wont have the effect it should. I'm not recommending the flu vaccine btw - there's a lot to be suspicious about.

 
Quote from: gooch
i strongly suggest supplementing your children with a good vitamin c product..and ofcourse don't take any vaccines

I avoid the supermarket Vit C tablets and opt for naturally occurring Vitamin C found in foods - eg any sour fruits, rose hip tea or syrup, amla powder - an Indian sour plum very high in Vit C.
Home made raw sauerkraut or other lacto-fermented unpasteurised vegetable preserves also contain Vit C & a whole lot of probiotics. They are also very easy to make & are very economical.

A lot of this info is on the Weston A Price website. www.westonaprice.org




My rule of thumb is:
if it wasn't considered food before industrialism, then it probably isn't.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pelly on August 30, 2013, 01:27:28 AM
See that - vaccines make you a sodomite (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/vaccines-produce-homosexuality-gay-gian-paolo-vanoli_n_2992953.html).
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on August 30, 2013, 01:56:07 AM
And this from Gay Voices.

Pelly, how many times do you need to be told?

"Get out of the gutter!"
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 30, 2013, 07:41:59 PM
There is money to be made from mandating these vaccines.  
The flu shot makes me sick.  I stopped taking the flu shot and no sickness at all year round.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pelly on April 09, 2014, 03:06:55 AM
I have to ask something.
Is it possible to get leaky gut syndrome from vaccines, and namely, the MMR vaccine?
I saw an episode of What's Good For You featuring a vaccine-damaged boy and it was revealed that there were traces of the measles virus in his gut.
And can this damage be reversed without diets or a bowel transplant?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on April 09, 2014, 09:59:59 AM
Pelly, as you know, vaccines cause innumerable problems, including stomach and bowel, since the poisons in vaccines are toxic to the body.

I found this site for reversing vaccine damage, but there are many others:
http://www.thinktwice.com/reversal.htm
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on April 09, 2014, 12:26:06 PM
a downthumb without intelligent discussion is ignorant and cowardly.
Sheesh, do you live under a rock?  Just look up "vaccine ingredients".   That's where I started and I learned a few things.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: SeanJohnson on April 09, 2014, 08:57:10 PM
My oldest son developed profound autism within one month of having received his vaccines.

He was normal before them, and ruined after them.

Either that is the most amazing coincidence (testified to by so many others with exactly the same before/after experience), or there is something to it.

After this tragedy, we refused vaccines to our other children, and they have had no problems.

PS: Because the MMR (and other) vaccines in the USA are manufactured with abortive fetal matter, I have often wondered whether the rise in autism is a scourge and punishment from God for this fiendish practice; something which comes very close to cannibalism.

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on April 09, 2014, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: SeanJohnson
My son developed profound autism within one month of having received his vaccines.

He was normal before them, and ruined after them.

Either that is the most amazing coincidence (testified to by so many others with exactly the same before/after experience), or there is something to it.

After this tragedy, we refused vaccines to our other children, and they have had no problems.


SeanJohnson, please accept my empathy and understanding, more importantly, my prayers for your sweet son.  
I posted a link earlier in this thresd re: "vaccination remedies", but I'm sure you're already aware of the same.
SHJ and IHM to assist your family.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pelly on April 12, 2014, 03:00:26 PM
I found this (http://www.vacinfo.org/Carley.pdf).
This claims that the culprit is not mercury, but the virus itself. Also, it claims vaccines cause DNA mutation.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Ambrose on April 13, 2014, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: SeanJohnson
My oldest son developed profound autism within one month of having received his vaccines.

He was normal before them, and ruined after them.

Either that is the most amazing coincidence (testified to by so many others with exactly the same before/after experience), or there is something to it.

After this tragedy, we refused vaccines to our other children, and they have had no problems.

PS: Because the MMR (and other) vaccines in the USA are manufactured with abortive fetal matter, I have often wondered whether the rise in autism is a scourge and punishment from God for this fiendish practice; something which comes very close to cannibalism.



Sean,

I am very sorry to hear about your son.  I will pray for him.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: SeanJohnson on May 24, 2014, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: SeanJohnson
My oldest son developed profound autism within one month of having received his vaccines.

He was normal before them, and ruined after them.

Either that is the most amazing coincidence (testified to by so many others with exactly the same before/after experience), or there is something to it.

After this tragedy, we refused vaccines to our other children, and they have had no problems.

PS: Because the MMR (and other) vaccines in the USA are manufactured with abortive fetal matter, I have often wondered whether the rise in autism is a scourge and punishment from God for this fiendish practice; something which comes very close to cannibalism.



Sean,

I am very sorry to hear about your son.  I will pray for him.


Thank you, Ambrose.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: CharlesII on May 24, 2014, 09:32:42 PM
I remember a Newsweek or Time cover story about autism circa 1979.  Nobody had heard of it and there were no "undiagnosed" cases in classrooms.  It is certainly from vaccines and perhaps other sources.  

Contrary to the Jewish media's lies, Dr. Wakefield's research has not been disproven or shown to be fraudulent.  

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Frances on May 24, 2014, 09:49:07 PM
 :dancing-banana: :confused1:
Is there a link between hormone based contraception and autism?  It seems the first cases of it in the USA showed up several years after "the Pill" was legalised.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: MaterDominici on May 25, 2014, 10:12:10 PM
There is a multi-part news program on Amazon Prime called Autism Now. I found it to be interesting even though they refrained from drawing any real conclusions. It was almost as much about how society needs to adapt to deal with the increasing number of austic persons as it is about what might be causing it in the first place.



I participated in a study done by a local graduate student which was trying to determine if any correlation could be found between the use of Pitocin during labor / delivery and the development of autism or aspergers. Her difficulty was in trying to find a sufficient number of women who had not received Pitocin during childbirth.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Matthew on May 25, 2014, 10:41:35 PM
Another piece of anecdotal evidence for you --

We have 5 children -- all non-vaccinated except for a few vaccines on the oldest (I wasn't as aware back then as I am today).

All are healthy (Deo gratias!) and no allergies, autism, etc.

Of course, it's hard to know what parts of our childrens' health is due to lack of vaccinations, and which parts are due to breastfeeding, natural birth, etc.

All I know is: the doctor is a stranger to us.

Meanwhile, our 1 year old niece (vaccinated according to the schedule, no doubt) has a severe allergy to milk protein. Give her a shred of cheese, and her body will purge it out both ends for hours.

Coincidence? Perhaps.

But perhaps not.

Oh, and recently the same girl broke out in a fever and rash right after receiving another round of vaccinations. Huge hassle for the parents, who both work (one owns a business).


Now in our house we don't constantly disinfect and boil everything, and we let our kids play outside. By having enough children, we are *forced* not to micromanage (or "helicopter parent") their every action. I think that's nature's way of keeping parents from doing this.

I believe that by allowing nature to take its course (the Irish have a saying, "You have to eat a pound of dirt before you die"), the childrens' immune systems have something to do, instead of sitting around idle and attacking "civilians". But when you vaccinate, it's worse because each vaccine unnaturally *stimulates* the immune system. It's no wonder that children develop allergies.

When I was in 2nd grade, we went on a field trip to a One Room Schoolhouse, and for some reason they coupled that trip with a "lunch auction". Each child brought a lunch for the auction, and they were supposed to bring about 50 cents to buy one. Could you imagine something like that happening in 2014? Half the class would have to be exempt, because of special dietary needs and allergies.

Something has changed. There is no doubt about that.

But it's not conspiracy theory either. Just look at the vaccination schedule today (2014), and compare it with the schedule back in 1980. The number of vaccinations before age 3 has skyrocketed.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: poche on May 26, 2014, 04:41:58 AM
I can remember a time when the measles (there were two kinds) and chicken pox were very common. The little girl who lived next door to me died from the chicken pox. A lady in our parish had the measles while she was pregnant and the baby was born deaf as a result.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on May 26, 2014, 06:29:43 AM
Poche, the "measles" which can cause deafness and other problems in an unborn child is actually Rubella. The vaccine that is used for Rubella is made from a culture developed from an aborted baby. There were a large number of babies aborted before they got the right one. This has been spelled out already on this thread, I believe. Check out Children of God for Life http://www.cogforlife.org/category/vaccines/
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on May 26, 2014, 06:44:01 AM
Quote from: poche
The little girl who lived next door to me died from the chicken pox.  


There were probably extenuating circumstances in the case of this little girl. Varicella is not generally regarded as a dangerous disease in an otherwise healthy child.

In regard to Varicella (chicken pox) you might find this of interest. http://www.cogforlife.org/ChickenpoxAutism.pdf
If I'm reading it right the rate of autism is seemingly related to the presence of human fetal DNA and retrovirus contaminents in Vaccines.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: CharlesII on May 26, 2014, 01:51:55 PM
Dr. Rebecca Carley has talked about vaccines extensively.  Can't find the documents she cites or remember what she believes the autism reaction to be (think it's an inflamation of the sheath around the nerves).  Anyway, here's an interview with her which likely covers the topic.

http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Audio-Dr_Carley_On_Vaccines_As_Bioweapon (http://)

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: pbax on June 01, 2014, 03:09:15 AM
I have three kids and I have never got them vaccinated and they hardly need to go to the Doctors.

My quibble is why don't our Priests stand up and speak out the evils of these vaccines, If you or I gave our kids the ingredients that are in these vaccines, pretty sure we would be up for child abuse.

Then there is the problem of aborted fetus, that surely is against Catholic teachings. By the Priests keeping silent on this matter is no way to save our children s souls.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on June 01, 2014, 05:36:26 AM
Pbax, The Angelus February 2006 has a 19 page cover feature The Vaccination Question.

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Then there is the problem of aborted fetus, that surely is against Catholic teachings.


Here is what the Pontifical Academy for life had to say, as a response to the concerns of the Children od God for Life pleas for some sort of statement.


http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=6539

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Moral Reflections on Vaccines Prepared from Cells Derived from Aborted Human Foetuses
The matter in question regards the lawfulness of production, distribution and use of certain vaccines whose production is connected with acts of procured abortion. It concerns vaccines containing live viruses which have been prepared from human cell lines of foetal origin, using tissues from aborted human foetuses as a source of such cells. The best known, and perhaps the most important due to its vast distribution and its use on an almost universal level, is the vaccine against Rubella (German measles).



Rubella and its vaccine

Rubella (German measles)1 is a viral illness caused by a Togavirus of the genus Rubivirus and is characterized by a maculopapular rash. It consists of an infection which is common in infancy and has no clinical manifestations in one case out of two, is self-limiting and usually benign. Nonetheless, the German measles virus is one of the most pathological infective agents for the embryo and foetus. When a woman catches the infection during pregnancy, especially during the first trimester, the risk of foetal infection is very high (approximately 95%). The virus replicates itself in the placenta and infects the foetus, causing the constellation of abnormalities denoted by the name of Congenital Rubella Syndrome. For example, the severe epidemic of German measles which affected a huge part of the United States in 1964 thus caused 20,000 cases of congenital rubella2, resulting in 11,250 abortions (spontaneous or surgical), 2,100 neonatal deaths, 11,600 cases of deafness, 3,580 cases of blindness, 1,800 cases of mental retardation. It was this epidemic that pushed for the development and introduction on the market of an effective vaccine against rubella, thus permitting an effective prophylaxis against this infection.

The severity of congenital rubella and the handicaps which it causes justify systematic vaccination against such a sickness. It is very difficult, perhaps even impossible, to avoid the infection of a pregnant woman, even if the rubella infection of a person in contact with this woman is diagnosed from the first day of the eruption of the rash. Therefore, one tries to prevent transmission by suppressing the reservoir of infection among children who have not been vaccinated, by means of early immunization of all children (universal vaccination). Universal vaccination has resulted in a considerable fall in the incidence of congenital rubella, with a general incidence reduced to less than 5 cases per 100,000 livebirths. Nevertheless, this progress remains fragile. In the United States, for example, after an overwhelming reduction in the number of cases of congenital rubella to only a few cases annually, i.e. less than 0.1 per 100,000 live births, a new epidemic wave came on in 1991, with an incidence that rose to 0.8/100,000. Such waves of resurgence of German measles were also seen in 1997 and in the year 2000. These periodic episodes of resurgence make it evident that there is a persistent circulation of the virus among young adults, which is the consequence of insufficient vaccination coverage. The latter situation allows a significant proportion of vulnerable subjects to persist, who are a source of periodic epidemics which put women in the fertile age group who have not been immunized at risk. Therefore, the reduction to the point of eliminating congenital rubella is considered a priority in public health care.



Vaccines currently produced using human cell lines that come from aborted foetuses

To date, there are two human diploid cell lines which were originally prepared from tissues of aborted foetuses ( in 1964 and 1970) and are used for the preparation of vaccines based on live attenuated virus: the first one is the WI-38 line (Winstar Institute 38), with human diploid lung fibroblasts, coming from a female foetus that was aborted because the family felt they had too many children (G. Sven et al., 1969). It was prepared and developed by Leonard Hayflick in 1964 (L. Hayflick, 1965; G. Sven et al., 1969)3 and bears the ATCC number CCL-75. WI-38 has been used for the preparation of the historical vaccine RA 27/3 against rubella (S.A. Plotkin et al, 1965)4. The second human cell line is MRC-5 (Medical Research Council 5) (human, lung, embryonic) (ATCC number CCL-171), with human lung fibroblasts coming from a 14 week male foetus aborted for "psychiatric reasons" from a 27 year old woman in the UK. MRC-5 was prepared and developed by J.P. Jacobs in 1966 (J.P. Jacobs et al, 1970)5. Other human cell lines have been developed for pharmaceutical needs, but are not involved in the vaccines actually available6.

The vaccines that are incriminated today as using human cell lines from aborted foetuses, WI-38 and MRC-5, are the following:7

A) Live vaccines against rubella8:
• the monovalent vaccines against rubella Meruvax®!! (Merck) (U.S.), Rudivax® (Sanofi Pasteur, Fr.), and Ervevax® (RA 27/3) (GlaxoSmithKline, Belgium);
• the combined vaccine MR against rubella and measles, commercialized with the name of M-R-VAX® (Merck, US) and Rudi-Rouvax® (AVP, France);
• the combined vaccine against rubella and mumps marketed under the name of Biavax®!! (Merck, U.S.),
• the combined vaccine MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) against rubella, mumps and measles, marketed under the name of M-M-R® II (Merck, US), R.O.R.®, Trimovax® (Sanofi Pasteur, Fr.), and Priorix® (GlaxoSmithKline UK).

B) Other vaccines, also prepared using human cell lines from aborted foetuses:
• two vaccines against hepatitis A, one produced by Merck (VAQTA), the other one produced by GlaxoSmithKline (HAVRIX), both of them being prepared using MRC-5;
• one vaccine against chicken pox, Varivax®, produced by Merck using WI-38 and MRC-5;
• one vaccine against poliomyelitis, the inactivated polio virus vaccine Poliovax® (Aventis-Pasteur, Fr.) using MRC-5;
• one vaccine against rabies, Imovax®, produced by Aventis Pasteur, harvested from infected human diploid cells, MRC-5 strain;
• one vaccine against smallpox, AC AM 1000, prepared by Acambis using MRC-5, still on trial.

The position of the ethical problem related to these vaccines

From the point of view of prevention of viral diseases such as German measles, mumps, measles, chicken pox and hepatitis A, it is clear that the making of effective vaccines against diseases such as these, as well as their use in the fight against these infections, up to the point of eradication, by means of an obligatory vaccination of all the population at risk, undoubtedly represents a "milestone" in the secular fight of man against infective and contagious diseases.

However, as the same vaccines are prepared from viruses taken from the tissues of foetuses that had been infected and voluntarily aborted, and the viruses were subsequently attenuated and cultivated from human cell lines which come likewise from procured abortions, they do not cease to pose ethical problems. The need to articulate a moral reflection on the matter in question arises mainly from the connection which exists between the vaccines mentioned above and the procured abortions from which biological material necessary for their preparation was obtained.

If someone rejects every form of voluntary abortion of human foetuses, would such a person not contradict himself/herself by allowing the use of these vaccines of live attenuated viruses on their children? Would it not be a matter of true (and illicit) cooperation in evil, even though this evil was carried out forty years ago?

Before proceeding to consider this specific case, we need to recall briefly the principles assumed in classical moral doctrine with regard to the problem of cooperation in evil9, a problem which arises every time that a moral agent perceives the existence of a link between his own acts and a morally evil action carried out by others.

The principle of licit cooperation in evil

The first fundamental distinction to be made is that between formal and material cooperation. Formal cooperation is carried out when the moral agent cooperates with the immoral action of another person, sharing in the latter's evil intention. On the other hand, when a moral agent cooperates with the immoral action of another person, without sharing his/her evil intention, it is a case of material cooperation.

Material cooperation can be further divided into categories of immediate (direct) and mediate (indirect), depending on whether the cooperation is in the execution of the sinful action per se, or whether the agent acts by fulfilling the conditions — either by providing instruments or products — which make it possible to commit the immoral act. Furthermore, forms of proximate cooperation and remote cooperation can be distinguished, in relation to the "distance" (be it in terms of temporal space or material connection) between the act of cooperation and the sinful act committed by someone else. Immediate material cooperation is always proximate, while mediate material cooperation can be either proximate or remote.

Formal cooperation is always morally illicit because it represents a form of direct and intentional participation in the sinful action of another person.10 Material cooperation can sometimes be illicit (depending on the conditions of the "double effect" or "indirect voluntary" action), but when immediate material cooperation concerns grave attacks on human life, it is always to be considered illicit, given the precious nature of the value in question11.

A further distinction made in classical morality is that between active (or positive) cooperation in evil and passive (or negative) cooperation in evil, the former referring to the performance of an act of cooperation in a sinful action that is carried out by another person, while the latter refers to the omission of an act of denunciation or impediment of a sinful action carried out by another person, insomuch as there was a moral duty to do that which was omitted 12. Passive cooperation can also be formal or material, immediate or mediate, proximate or remote. Obviously, every type of formal passive cooperation is to be considered illicit, but even passive material cooperation should generally be avoided, although it is admitted (by many authors) that there is not a rigorous obligation to avoid it in a case in which it would be greatly difficult to do so.

Application to the use of vaccines prepared from cells coming from embryos or foetuses aborted voluntarily

In the specific case under examination, there are three categories of people who are involved in the cooperation in evil, evil which is obviously represented by the action of a voluntary abortion performed by others: a) those who prepare the vaccines using human cell lines coming from voluntary abortions; b) those who participate in the mass marketing of such vaccines; c) those who need to use them for health reasons.



Firstly, one must consider morally illicit every form of formal cooperation (sharing the evil intention) in the action of those who have performed a voluntary abortion, which in turn has allowed the retrieval of foetal tissues, required for the preparation of vaccines. Therefore, whoever — regardless of the category to which he belongs — cooperates in some way, sharing its intention, to the performance of a voluntary abortion with the aim of producing the above-mentioned vaccines, participates, in actuality, in the same moral evil as the person who has performed that abortion. Such participation would also take place in the case where someone, sharing the intention of the abortion, refrains from denouncing or criticizing this illicit action, although having the moral duty to do so (passive formal cooperation).

In a case where there is no such formal sharing of the immoral intention of the person who has performed the abortion, any form of cooperation would be material, with the following specifications.

As regards the preparation, distribution and marketing of vaccines produced as a result of the use of biological material whose origin is connected with cells coming from foetuses voluntarily aborted, such a process is stated, as a matter of principle, morally illicit, because it could contribute in encouraging the performance of other voluntary abortions, with the purpose of the production of such vaccines. Nevertheless, it should be recognized that, within the chain of production-distribution-marketing, the various cooperating agents can have different moral responsibilities.

However, there is another aspect to be considered, and that is the form of passive material cooperation which would be carried out by the producers of these vaccines, if they do not denounce and reject publicly the original immoral act (the voluntary abortion), and if they do not dedicate themselves together to research and promote alternative ways, exempt from moral evil, for the production of vaccines for the same infections. Such passive material cooperation, if it should occur, is equally illicit.

As regards those who need to use such vaccines for reasons of health, it must be emphasized that, apart from every form of formal cooperation, in general, doctors or parents who resort to the use of these vaccines for their children, in spite of knowing their origin (voluntary abortion), carry out a form of very remote mediate material cooperation, and thus very mild, in the performance of the original act of abortion, and a mediate material cooperation, with regard to the marketing of cells coming from abortions, and immediate, with regard to the marketing of vaccines produced with such cells. The cooperation is therefore more intense on the part of the authorities and national health systems that accept the use of the vaccines.

However, in this situation, the aspect of passive cooperation is that which stands out most. It is up to the faithful and citizens of upright conscience (fathers of families, doctors, etc.) to oppose, even by making an objection of conscience, the ever more widespread attacks against life and the "culture of death" which underlies them. From this point of view, the use of vaccines whose production is connected with procured abortion constitutes at least a mediate remote passive material cooperation to the abortion, and an immediate passive material cooperation with regard to their marketing. Furthermore, on a cultural level, the use of such vaccines contributes in the creation of a generalized social consensus to the operation of the pharmaceutical industries which produce them in an immoral way.

Therefore, doctors and fathers of families have a duty to take recourse to alternative vaccines13 (if they exist), putting pressure on the political authorities and health systems so that other vaccines without moral problems become available. They should take recourse, if necessary, to the use of conscientious objection14 with regard to the use of vaccines produced by means of cell lines of aborted human foetal origin. Equally, they should oppose by all means (in writing, through the various associations, mass media, etc.) the vaccines which do not yet have morally acceptable alternatives, creating pressure so that alternative vaccines are prepared, which are not connected with the abortion of a human foetus, and requesting rigorous legal control of the pharmaceutical industry producers.

As regards the diseases against which there are no alternative vaccines which are available and ethically acceptable, it is right to abstain from using these vaccines if it can be done without causing children, and indirectly the population as a whole, to undergo significant risks to their health. However, if the latter are exposed to considerable dangers to their health, vaccines with moral problems pertaining to them may also be used on a temporary basis. The moral reason is that the duty to avoid passive material cooperation is not obligatory if there is grave inconvenience. Moreover, we find, in such a case, a. proportional reason, in order to accept the use of these vaccines in the presence of the danger of favouring the spread of the pathological agent, due to the lack of vaccination of children. This is particularly true in the case of vaccination against German measles15.

In any case, there remains a moral duty to continue to fight and to employ every lawful means in order to make life difficult for the pharmaceutical industries which act unscrupulously and unethically. However, the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population — especially with regard to pregnant women.



To summarize, it must be confirmed that:
•there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems;
• as regards the vaccines without an alternative, the need to contest so that others may be prepared must be reaffirmed, as should be the lawfulness of using the former in the meantime insomuch as is necessary in order to avoid a serious risk not only for one's own children but also, and perhaps more specifically, for the health conditions of the population as a whole — especially for pregnant women;
• the lawfulness of the use of these vaccines should not be misinterpreted as a declaration of the lawfulness of their production, marketing and use, but is to be understood as being a passive material cooperation and, in its mildest and remotest sense, also active, morally justified as an extrema ratio due to the necessity to provide for the good of one's children and of the people who come in contact with the children (pregnant women);
• such cooperation occurs in a context of moral coercion of the conscience of parents, who are forced to choose to act against their conscience or otherwise, to put the health of their children and of the population as a whole at risk.

This is an unjust alternative choice, which must be eliminated as soon as possible.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: MaterDominici on June 01, 2014, 08:56:24 PM
Quote from: Nadir
Pbax, The Angelus February 2006 has a 19 page cover feature The Vaccination Question.


This article was the biggest reason we looked into the issue of vaccinations. It was almost perfect timing for us as Dominic was born in March of that year and we read the article shortly thereafter.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Martin Killeen on June 15, 2014, 07:25:46 PM
 
 Hi, I'm not casting doubt on a lot of good information here.

 However, just my personal experience, as the result of a severe Line of Duty injury, I ended up with a damaged lung, among other things..I was only about29 yrs. old at the time.

 Consequently, what would happen, ever year, for the following three years, was that during cold & flu season, I would pick up a bug, the result would be
the same...first week regular sick, then a wicked bronchial / lung complication, and then pneumonia.....and hard to bust...usually taking three courses of the strongest antibiotics.

 That's when my family Doctor suggested, I receive every year a flu vaccine, and most definitely every 4.5 to 5 years, a pneumonia vaccine. I followed his advice.

 Aside from an occasional mild cold, with mild symptoms, I have never had any kind of recurrence as I have mentioned.

So on this one, I Thank the Lord, first....and throw and  the assist to sanofi/Pastuer.

 Amen and thank you, Martin.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Martin Killeen on June 15, 2014, 07:28:41 PM

 P.S. I forgot to mention ..I'm 52 yrs, old now.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Martin Killeen on June 15, 2014, 07:44:13 PM

 Another PS,

 I'm from the tail end of the generation when the only required vaccination was for polio.
 My Mom was a very good caregiver and not afraid of doctors. however,I imagine, she was suspect of vaccines, as I never received any of them.
 Several times in my life, I was asked to show proof of my vaccinations.
 My answer was always the same, I would go down the list and say, had that had that, had that, had that, and always end up with, Oh and those mumps were the worst.
 I went to university late in life, and had a nurse really give me a hard time about it during enrollment, and went as far as to accuse me of lying, and that I must be a big baby and afraid of needles.
 I reported back a week later with the 'blood titers" proving that I had contracted all of the "childhood diseases". I got a sheepish apology, and I explained to her, that not that many years back, it was My Mother and not Big Brother, who called the shots.
thanks Martin.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Binechi on September 18, 2014, 07:41:41 AM
Stay Away from Vaccines if at all Possible

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Resolute on October 26, 2014, 12:53:57 PM
People are starting to wake up.  I'm hearing doubts being voiced, so I just encourage them to go it without the vaccine.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Petertherock on October 26, 2014, 07:59:10 PM
Now here are some flu shots I would like to get!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1779829_1034047899975733_5282546870508449570_n.jpg?oh=95009c75939258a91fd8417323c2c00c&oe=54EFEDCA&__gda__=1424624544_9abe00f9f22f85e7ddeb10d95483483e)
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pelly on October 28, 2014, 03:35:49 AM
@Petertherock It could be useful in your case, but what about children and teens? What they should do to avoid the shot?
Oh, I know:
:pc: -You can't get the flu if you stay home and surf the Net.

:incense: - Don't you think it will decrease Mass attendance, do you?

:sad: - OK, I will go to Mass, but tell me what is more dangerous? The flu shot or Communion in hand?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: poche on October 28, 2014, 04:49:53 AM
Quote from: Pelly
@Petertherock It could be useful in your case, but what about children and teens? What they should do to avoid the shot?
Oh, I know:
:pc: -You can't get the flu if you stay home and surf the Net.

:incense: - Don't you think it will decrease Mass attendance, do you?

:sad: - OK, I will go to Mass, but tell me what is more dangerous? The flu shot or Communion in hand?


What is most dangerous is the state of mortal sin.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Matto on January 19, 2015, 07:33:11 PM
I just found an interesting article on LewRockwell.com about vaccines. Here's a link:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/joseph-mercola/the-sordid-history-of-vaccines/ (http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/joseph-mercola/the-sordid-history-of-vaccines/)
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: JMC1608 on January 21, 2015, 10:48:05 AM
Health and disease are both in God's hands. We should not try to control our fate and deviate from what God wants for us. Everything we endure is for a reason. If the Good Lord's plan is for us to be sick, then we must accept that in good faith and use prayer as a remedy.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on January 21, 2015, 11:50:54 AM
Quote from: Matto
I just found an interesting article on LewRockwell.com about vaccines. Here's a link:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/joseph-mercola/the-sordid-history-of-vaccines/ (http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/joseph-mercola/the-sordid-history-of-vaccines/)


Thanks Matto.
I get his daily emails, which are a very efficient daily aggregate of various subjects and a wide variety of authors.  I particularly benefit from the health related matters.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on January 21, 2015, 02:52:55 PM
Quote from: JMC1608
Health and disease are both in God's hands. We should not try to control our fate and deviate from what God wants for us. Everything we endure is for a reason. If the Good Lord's plan is for us to be sick, then we must accept that in good faith and use prayer as a remedy.


Welcome JMC!

Of course you are right that everything is in God's hands, and that we must not deviate from what God wants for us.

And of course God allows sickness for us.

But that doesn't mean that we should not avoid what could be dangerous to our health, because the optimum state for us is health.

Saying "use prayer as a remedy" leads me to think that you might believe that vaccinations could also be a remedy. Not even the vaccination pushers claim that. They claim that vaccination will prevent and/or lessen the incidence of particular diseases.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Serviam on February 04, 2015, 09:27:17 AM
I implore every Catholic parent to access the Vaccine information found at the "Children of God for Life"  Internet site. (Cogforlife.org) Many of the vaccines that the state mandates are derived from aborted children(fetal cell lines). This is abhorant. Not only are we to be concerned about autism and the connection to the preservative used in the vast majority of these vaccines but even more importantly is the fact that an aborted child was used in creating these same vaccines.

Several years ago I became aware of the reason why I believe so many states now mandate an inordinate number of vaccines. I understand that when a Vaccine Manufactures has succeeded in their lobbying efforts in getting a state to mandate the use of their vaccine they are then protected from liability because of the fact that their vaccine is 'mandated'. There are innumerable problems with vaccines thus the reason for the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ("Vaccine Program") comprises Part 2 of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 ("Vaccine Act"). See Pub. L. No. 99-660, 100 Stat. 3755 (1986) (codified as amended at 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to -34). The Vaccine Act became effective October 1, 1988. It establishes the Vaccine Program as a no-fault compensation program whereby petitions for monetary compensation may be brought by or on behalf of persons allegedly suffering injury or death as a result of the administration of certain compulsory childhood vaccines. Congress intended that the Vaccine Program provide individuals a swift, flexible, and less adversarial alternative to the often costly and lengthy civil arena of traditional tort litigation. These manufactures are protected by this program thus they lobby for mandatory use. It is truly disturbing.

Here is the chart from the Children of God for Life website:
Table 1 – Ethical Status of Childhood Vaccines Recommended by the CDCa


Available Disease/Injection Combinations
Immunization Type
(number of vaccine injections recommended by CDC is shown in parenthesis)
Important Notes



HepA (2)
Only two vaccines licensed in US; Both use aborted
fetal cell lines


HepB (3)
All are ethical vaccines; not derived from aborted fetal cell lines



Hepatitis-A, Hepatitis-A
HepA + HepB (3)
The Hepatitis-A portion of this shot uses aborted
fetal cell lines


RV (3)
All are ethical vaccines; not derived from aborted fetal cell lines


Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis
DTaP (5)
All are ethical vaccines; not derived from aborted fetal cell lines


Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio
DTaP +Polio (5)
All are ethical vaccines; not derived from aborted fetal cell lines


Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, Hepatitis-B
DTaP +Polio+ HepB (5)
All are ethical vaccines; not derived from aborted fetal cell lines


Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio Haemophilus influenza type B
DTaP +Polio+ HiB (5)
This combination shot is made by Sanofi Pasteur under brand names Pentacel and Pediacel. Pentacel uses aborted fetal cell lines; Pediacel does not.


Haemophilus influenza type B
HiB (4)
All are ethical vaccines; not derived from aborted fetal cell lines


PCV (4)
All are ethical vaccines; not derived from aborted fetal cell lines


Polio (4)
IPOL (Sanofi Pasteur) is the only separate polio shot in the US; it does not use aborted fetal cells


Measles, Mumps, Rubella
MMR (2)
The vaccine for Rubella in this combination shot
uses aborted fetal cell lines; there are no alternative shots available in the US



Varicella (2)
This is the only licensed vaccine in the US. It is
derived from aborted fetal cell lines


Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Chickenpox
MMR+ Varicella (2)
This combination shot uses aborted fetal cell lines


Influenza
Seasonal Flu and H1N1 (Swine flu)
Seasonal Flu and H1N1 (annual)
These shots are offered individually or combined and currently, all are ethically produced. There are several under development using aborted fetal cells



Rabies (as needed)
Post-exposure treatment requires both vaccine and
human rabies immune globulin (HRIG) RabAvert is morally produced; Imovax uses aborted fetal cell lines. All HRIG shots are morally produced.

Some have theorized that the explosion of autism may have been linked to an aborted child with autism that was utilized to manufacture innumerable vaccines received by our unsuspecting children. Please pass on this information. May God have mercy on our country.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on February 04, 2015, 09:58:41 AM
Outstanding information, Serviam.
Based on this, has anyone attempted an exemption based on religious beliefs?  
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on February 04, 2015, 02:47:36 PM
Serviam said:
Quote
Some have theorized that the explosion of autism may have been linked to an aborted child with autism that was utilized to manufacture innumerable vaccines received by our unsuspecting children. Please pass on this information. May God have mercy on our country.


Welcome Seriam, and good work in bringing up this important information.

I doubt if the epidemic of autism is related to the aborted child, because an aborted child has not yet been vaccinated. I understand the epidemic to be related to the vaccinations themselves and that autism is got through vaccination.

Per Evangela Dicta, the answer is yes. You will find such information on http://www.cogforlife.org/ I believe.

Children of God for Life  is not anti-vaccination, but pro-life. It has a wealth of knowledge and useful steps to take. You will also find there the Vatican's response to this question of unethical vaccination null (http://www.cogforlife.org/)
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Serviam on February 04, 2015, 03:22:22 PM
Quote:
Some have theorized that the explosion of autism may have been linked to an aborted child with autism that was utilized to manufacture innumerable vaccines received by our unsuspecting children. Please pass on this information. May God have mercy on our country

Dear Nadir:

The theory I believe is based on the thought that the aborted child with autism was repeatedly replicated in order to produce the vaccine. You are correct that a preborn child would not have been vaccinated yet this aborted child may have already had autism due to a defective gene, DNA. As we are all aware of the fact that our church is in disarray one cannot rely on any church authorities support when refusing to have your child vaccinated with a vaccine derived from an aborted child. The Holy Ghost will guide you. We each have to individually answer for our actions and be guided by our own Catholic conscience that I pray has been properly formed.

Also of concern is the fact that the preservative 'thimerosal' , a mercury derivative is still utilized in the flu vaccines. I often wonder if the explosion of Alzheimer's is in fact the adult version of autism as many adults have dutifully gotten their annual flu shot year after year.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Napoli on February 04, 2015, 06:04:00 PM
The measles vaccine is harmless and gives verifiable protection in the 99.9% range.

This is one of the reasons I have stopped posting. "Traditional" Catholics are drawn to conspiracy theories like bees to honey.

I am expecting hate for the previous comment. C'est la vie.

God bless you all. Especially those of you who endanger your and other children by not vaccinating.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on February 04, 2015, 08:32:44 PM
Why would you expect hate, Napoli? You are entitled to your opinion, and we who are aware of the vaccination conspiracies don't ram our knowledge down your throat.  

FACT : According to a study by the World Health Organisation (W.H.O.), those vaccinated against measles are 14 times more likely to contract the disease than those left unvaccinated. 13  

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/measlesvac.htm

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/measles-index.htm

BTW, Napoli. Do you (or anyone else here) know the ingredients of the measles vaccine, because I have looked here http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf and can't find it listed.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on February 04, 2015, 08:45:08 PM
Serviam said
Quote
As we are all aware of the fact that our church is in disarray one cannot rely on any church authorities support when refusing to have your child vaccinated with a vaccine derived from an aborted child.


Granted things is in disarray but, although I didn't need this document for myself to make my decisions, (I'd made up my mind long before it was published.) nevertherless it is a useful document to have at our disposal.

Here it is: MORAL REFLECTIONS ON VACCINES PREPARED FROM CELLS
DERIVED FROM ABORTED HUMAN FOETUSES
http://www.cogforlife.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/vaticanresponse.pdf
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Binechi on March 05, 2015, 08:02:22 AM
http://rense.com/
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Cera on March 06, 2015, 03:35:03 PM
Vaccine as a biological weapon, by a Catholic nun.
Scroll down for video.
http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-moshe-mossad-bioweapon-swine-flu-vaccine-westwood
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Cera on March 06, 2015, 03:45:34 PM
How vaccine whistleblowers are discouraged:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djdBDfGjTpQ
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Cera on March 22, 2015, 06:44:32 PM
Vaccine-injured child


Former Mooresville child compensated by federal ‘vaccine court’

By Karen Garloch

kgarloch@charlotteobserver.com

02/28/2015 5:32 PM

02/28/2015 11:48 PM
Theresa Black, right, with her daughter, Angelica, at their home in Panama City Beach, Fla. Angelica, who is 14 now, was 3 months old when she was diagnosed with a brain injury.
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Theresa Black, right, with her daughter, Angelica, at their home in Panama City Beach, Fla. Angelica, who is 14 now, was 3 months old when she was diagnosed with a brain injury. Patti Blake COURTESY OF PATTI BLAKE

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As they started their family, Mooresville residents Theresa and Lucas Black dutifully got their children immunized, never doubting their doctor’s word that vaccines are safe and necessary.

But their faith in those promises was shaken in 2001, when their 3-month-old daughter, Angelica, developed life-threatening seizures and brain damage just three days after getting several vaccinations.

The child’s Charlotte neurologist diagnosed her with vaccine-related encephalopathy, or brain injury. And in 2006, the little-known federal “vaccine court” agreed, awarding Angelica nearly $2 million plus about $250,000 a year for medical expenses for the rest of her life.

Despite the ruling that vaccines caused her daughter’s brain damage, Theresa Black said she has felt bullied in recent weeks by reaction to the California measles outbreak that has spread to 16 other states.
Related
The vaccination question
What experts say about vaccination
THE FACTS ABOUT VACCINATION

Health officials have stressed repeatedly that vaccines are safe, and some people have suggested that parents who choose not to get their children vaccinated are selfish and willfully endangering the lives of others.

“There’s people out there calling for us to get jailed,” Black said. “I am not a freak. I am not trying to endanger anyone’s child. … I actually think vaccinating is a good thing. My problem is I don’t think they are as safe as they could be. … There are bad things that happen.”

Today, Angelica is 14 and profoundly disabled. She has cerebral palsy and a seizure disorder. She is unable to speak. She uses a feeding tube and a wheelchair. Because she requires around-the-clock attention, her parents quit their jobs to care for her. The family moved to Florida in 2009.

Renee Gentry, the Virginia lawyer who represented the Blacks before the vaccine court, said she too has been bothered by some reaction to the measles outbreak. “People are saying there’s absolutely no evidence that vaccines cause brain injury, and we’re sitting here with all these cases. It’s rare … but they clearly have happened.”
What is vaccine court?
Angelica’s case is one of thousands that have sought compensation from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

Since 1988, when the vaccine court was established by Congress, about 4,000 victims have received more than $2.8 billion in compensation for vaccine injuries, according to federal records. In fiscal year 2014 alone, the court granted $202 million to 365 vaccine-injury victims.

Most people have never heard of the vaccine court or the compensation program.

It came about in the 1980s because pharmaceutical companies were facing an increase in lawsuits claiming adverse reactions, mainly from the diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DPT) vaccine. Sympathetic juries awarded millions of dollars in some cases. Some manufacturers left the market and shortages loomed.

Congress decided that, instead of suing vaccine makers, people would first have to seek compensation from the court, funded by a surcharge on vaccines. The fund balance now is $3.5 billion. Awards are decided by special masters in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims.

Under the law, plaintiffs cannot seek punitive damages or losses to family members as they can in civil court. But the process was intended to be speedier, with a lower burden of proof.

The federal law created a table of injuries listing certain symptoms that could be blamed on the vaccine if they occurred within a specified time after the vaccination. For example, in Angelica’s case, the window for developing seizures after a pertussis vaccination was 72 hours. Her seizures started within 70 hours.

Initially most cases involved “table injuries” that were conceded by the government, said Gentry, president of the Vaccine Injured Petitioners Bar Association, a group of lawyers who specialize in these cases. But in recent years, Gentry said cases have become more adversarial; plaintiffs “have to prove actual causation,” and lawyers for both the plaintiffs and the federal government call expert witnesses.

Awards have ranged from $1,100 to more than $30 million, said David Bowman, spokesman for the Health Resources and Services Administration. In 26 years, 15,747 petitions have been filed with the vaccine compensation program, and 3,941 received awards – about one in four.

Peter Sarda, a Raleigh lawyer, has won 17 vaccine court cases since 1990, including the case of a Stanly County 2-year-old who suffered brain damage after getting a chicken pox vaccination in 2008. In December, the court awarded the child lump sums totaling $1.9 million, plus annual medical expenses for the rest of his life. If he lives to 72, the award could total $14 million, Sarda said.

The boy’s mother took her older daughter to the county health department in October 2008 to get a chicken pox vaccination, Sarda said. While there, a health care provider offered to vaccinate her son as well. Although the mother thought her 2-year-old had been vaccinated against chicken pox, she didn’t have his records and wasn’t sure. He got the vaccine, and two weeks later he developed seizures and was subsequently diagnosed with encephalitis, or permanent brain damage.

Now 8, the boy is “totally impaired,” Sarda said. “He cannot even sit up. …The mother still blames herself for not grabbing the kids and leaving.” Medical records show the boy had received a chicken pox vaccination a year earlier.

Despite the vaccine-injury cases he’s won, Sarda said he’s a “firm believer in vaccines” and that vaccine injuries are “very rare.”
What happened to Angelica?

Born on Nov. 12, 2000, Angelica Black is the seventh of Theresa and Lucas Black’s 11 children.

She was developing normally until she got four vaccines when she was almost 3 months old. Three days later, Angelica was “sighing and cooing and playing” when Theresa Black left for her job as a restaurant manager. Later, when Lucas Black checked on her, the baby wasn’t breathing.

Angelica was transported by ambulance to Lake Norman Regional Medical Center in Mooresville, and Theresa Black, who rode along, said the baby barely had a pulse. She started having seizures in the emergency room.

Doctors transferred Angelica to Charlotte’s Novant Health Presbyterian Medical Center, where she stayed in the pediatric intensive care unit for two weeks. Dr. Robert Nahouraii, a pediatric neurologist with Mecklenburg Neurological Associates, eventually concluded she had a reaction to the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/health-family/article11620775.html#storylink=cpy
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on June 24, 2015, 04:49:21 PM
Video: An Australian police officer blows the lid on vaccine crimes.
Watch it here!
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/an-australian-cop-has-a-passionate-message-about-vaccines-and-babies/
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: OldMerry on June 29, 2015, 12:19:52 AM
Probably a few of you have seen this -

http://nworeport.me/2015/06/27/mysterious-death-body-of-doctor-who-linked-vaccines-to-autism-found-floating-in-river/
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Croix de Fer on July 04, 2015, 09:06:35 AM
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. speaks out against SB 277 & forced vaccines (1of 2)

Won't embed. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=165&v=nQoCYkFA-FM

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/165&v=nQoCYkFA-FM[/youtube]
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Post by: Croix de Fer on July 08, 2015, 06:33:03 AM
link (http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=1042)

Quote
It’s a Jewish affair beginning with Sabin, Salk, and Katz.

And now Wasserman and tribe at the RAND Corporation think tank advising HHS has something else up their sleeves.

It’s called “NAIP” - National Adult Immunization Program. A syringe to plunge under the sleeves of every adult with an “electronic” data base storing your immunization history.

Full spectrum dominance. Get the children and follow with adults. Big Brother wants everyone and everything.

It’s a fast track to 666.

It begins with injecting chemicals into your veins and ‘electronic’ storage of your immunization.

You’ll need a chip identifying your ‘immunization status’ so you can get a job, go to school, and even shop at your friendly supermarket.

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pelly on July 30, 2015, 01:37:59 PM
A Catholic's joy or the devil's toy
AKA. would you give your child a celiac vaccine?
http://www.immusant.com/
This company specializes in the fight against celiac diesase.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2214762/Coeliac-disease-The-vaccine-means-coeliacs-eat-wheat.html
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on July 31, 2015, 05:02:49 PM
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/open-letter-to-australian-pm-tony-abbott-the-mmr-vaccine/
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on July 31, 2015, 05:44:38 PM
Here is the HHS.gov draft of the National Adult Immunization Program.
Draft Report- National Adult Immunization Plan (http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/national_adult_immunization_plan_draft.pdf)
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Truth is Eternal on July 31, 2015, 06:59:47 PM
8 Dead, 5 Missing! You Wont Believe What They Knew, Who They Encountered & Why They're Targeted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gof99Kpcyzk
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Brian R on October 19, 2015, 12:13:42 AM
Quote from: Martin Killeen

 Hi, I'm not casting doubt on a lot of good information here.

 However, just my personal experience, as the result of a severe Line of Duty injury, I ended up with a damaged lung, among other things..I was only about29 yrs. old at the time.

 Consequently, what would happen, ever year, for the following three years, was that during cold & flu season, I would pick up a bug, the result would be
the same...first week regular sick, then a wicked bronchial / lung complication, and then pneumonia.....and hard to bust...usually taking three courses of the strongest antibiotics.

 That's when my family Doctor suggested, I receive every year a flu vaccine, and most definitely every 4.5 to 5 years, a pneumonia vaccine. I followed his advice.

 Aside from an occasional mild cold, with mild symptoms, I have never had any kind of recurrence as I have mentioned.

So on this one, I Thank the Lord, first....and throw and  the assist to sanofi/Pastuer.

 Amen and thank you, Martin.


As a statistician and data analyst, I am always amazed that mature adults will go out of their way to suggest that their story is representative of the entire data set to be used for analysis. Why even bother telling the one story, when there are billions of others that would need to be looked at to determine actual safety and usefulness? Let's also not bother with data from the major institutions that are in bed with Big Pharma. The data needs to be financially independent, and truly objective. Otherwise, we're not thinking like civilized human beings -- we are acting like crazed monkeys grasping at straws. Not the Christian way.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Brian R on October 19, 2015, 12:15:50 AM
Do you trust the major medical institutions? Why? The world's gatekeepers of the most prestigious research journals do not. Why would you?

Dr. Marcia Angell was the editor of the most prestigious medical journal in the world, “The New England Journal of Medicine,” and a senior lecturer at Harvard Medical School's Department of Global Health and Social Medicine.

On January 15, 2009, the NY Review of Books published Dr. Angell’s devastating assessment of medical literature:

“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.” (Marcia Angell, MD, “Drug Companies and Doctors: A Story of Corruption.” NY Review of Books, Jan. 15, 2009.)

She also wrote: “A review of 74 clinical trials of antidepressants, for example, found that 37 of 38 positive studies [that praised the drugs] were published. But of the 36 negative studies, 33 were either not published or published in a form that conveyed a positive outcome.”

Dr. Richard Horton, the current editor-in-chief of the Lancet – considered to be one of the most well respected peer-reviewed medical journals in the world: “The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness.” (The Lancet, p. 1380, Vol. 385, April 11, 2015)

David J. Graham is an American epidemiologist who is the Associate Director of the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Office of Drug Safety. In a 2005 interview, Dr. Graham stated the "FDA is inherently biased in favor of the pharmaceutical industry. It views industry as its client, whose interests it must represent and advance. It views its primary mission as approving as many drugs it can, regardless of whether the drugs are safe or needed." (Fraud Magazine, September/October 2005, “FDA Incapable of Protecting U.S., Scientist Alleges”)

Dr. William Thompson, epidemiologist, Immunization Safety Branch of the CDC: “I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.” (Natural News, Aug. 27, 2014)
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Patrick JK Gray on October 19, 2015, 09:31:01 AM
A good many vaccines -- not the notorious MMR, but chicken-pox and polio too, whether 'safe' or not, are derived from the bodies of aborted (i.e. murdered) babies. I received them as I was not brought up with the Faith (indeed thoroughly irreligiously) but it is thoroughly evil to allow them to be given. A Catholic parent has a moral duty to not use these foul products of murder.

http://www.know-vaccines.org/?page_id=250

I have never researched the matter and I cannot vouch for the alternative suggestions. I do know however that eighteen thousand years of Christendom flourished without vaccines. I am very young (18) and never intend to marry. The horrors on this thread, both moral abominations and, at best, a strong doubt in favour of either uselessness or serious side effects, give a very good reason why vaccines should be avoided.

On an aside, a good many 'old wives' remedies are excellent (menthol crystals for a cold, rose-hip syrup [second-hand recommendation], calamine lotion). Prayer, prudence and tried-and-true remedies are better than the devilish or dubious products of 'Big Pharma'.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: clare on October 19, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
Here's a good article:

Why Don''t You Vaccinate? (http://www.dinnerforthought.com/blog/why-dont-you-vaccinate)
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Brian R on October 27, 2015, 05:57:51 AM
Quote from: Patrick JK Gray
On an aside, a good many 'old wives' remedies are excellent (menthol crystals for a cold, rose-hip syrup [second-hand recommendation], calamine lotion). Prayer, prudence and tried-and-true remedies are better than the devilish or dubious products of 'Big Pharma'.


Check out ADAPTOGENIC HERBS as a natural replacement for vaccines. Vaccines are merely immunity boosters (that is, if they were really entirely designed for that), and vaccines may be replaced in many instances by merely boosting one's immunity.

The most powerful naturally-occurring immune boosters on the planet, based on years of my own experimentation and research, appear to be --

ASHWAGANDHA ROOT
REISHI MUSHROOM
THIEVES OIL (a blend of very specific oils)
BEE PROPOLIS (especially the green variety from Brazil)

Of all of these, my personal favorite is ashwagandha. It is the least expensive and perhaps equally beneficial as the other adaptogens listed. Most of these are found on Amazon's web site, but the best version of Thieves Oil I have found is from Young Living.

In addition, I highly recommend becoming familiar with homeopathic remedies and how to self-diagnose for these remedies. They are extremely safe, have no shelf-life, and are often used as a replacement for pharmaceutical drugs.

Also, use the web site EXAMINE.COM to leverage the best data on herbs and supplements, before spending money on them or wasting your time on something that does not work.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on October 30, 2015, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: Brian R


Check out ADAPTOGENIC HERBS as a natural replacement for vaccines. Vaccines are merely immunity boosters (that is, if they were really entirely designed for that), and vaccines may be replaced in many instances by merely boosting one's immunity.



Actually we do not need to "replace vaccines". We just need to keep our immune systems healthy through right living.

It is highly doubtful that "Vaccines are immunity boosters. There is plenty of evidence around that they interfere with (damage) the immune system.

Thanks for the below tips, though!

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The most powerful naturally-occurring immune boosters on the planet, based on years of my own experimentation and research, appear to be --

ASHWAGANDHA ROOT
REISHI MUSHROOM
THIEVES OIL (a blend of very specific oils)
BEE PROPOLIS (especially the green variety from Brazil)

Of all of these, my personal favorite is ashwagandha. It is the least expensive and perhaps equally beneficial as the other adaptogens listed. Most of these are found on Amazon's web site, but the best version of Thieves Oil I have found is from Young Living.

In addition, I highly recommend becoming familiar with homeopathic remedies and how to self-diagnose for these remedies. They are extremely safe, have no shelf-life, and are often used as a replacement for pharmaceutical drugs.

Also, use the web site EXAMINE.COM to leverage the best data on herbs and supplements, before spending money on them or wasting your time on something that does not work.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Neil Obstat on November 27, 2015, 06:56:47 PM
Please see thread:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Murdered-Holistic-Doctors-Discovered-Cancer-Causing-Enzyme-Being-Added-To-A   (should say "...To All Vaccines")

Quote from: the OP

...holistic doctors who were all being killed in FL had found out via their research that the nagalase enzyme protein is INTENTIONALLY being added to the population via immunizations. Nagalase STOPS vitamin D from binding to the Gc protein. This completely strips a human being’s body of it’s natural ability to kill cancer cells. Nagalase is a protein that’s also created by all cancer cells.

...

http://m.disclose.tv/news/murdered_holistic_doctors_discovered_cancercausing_enzyme_being_added_to_all_vaccines/124734

Dr Ted Broer breaks the above info (about the nagalese) in this clip. He explains it much better than I do. The clip is short (from his July 25th Hagmann & Hagmann interview) but it’s a MUST listen.

Dr Ted Broer broke it on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report and it took them a whole hour just to get him on air b/c their 3 hour show was brought down and every line they tried to use kept disconnecting...and then their servers were brought down. They asked a bunch of ppl to pray against the attack and then finally got him on a secured line..and so a full hour into the show they were finally back on the air and connected to Dr Broer and the first thing he said was “I am in no way suicidal.” He was super nervous holding onto this info…afraid he’d be taken out Hastings style before he got a chance to say it publicly. So listen to this short clip of him breaking the story.

It’s a 19 min clip but the most important info is heard within the first 10 min. It is def some of the most important news Ive ever heard. And it needs to go viral. PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SHORT CLIP!!



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Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on December 22, 2015, 12:46:46 AM
Here is a great article on vaccines, especially the hidden ingredients in them:

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/12/21/vaccines-dark-inferno-what-is-not-on-the-vaccine-insert-labels/

These brief three paragraphs highlight the most important information contained in this article:

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Conversations focused primarily on the influenza, MMR, and yellow fever vaccines, which rely on fertilized chicken eggs for their culturing viruses. Fertilized chicken eggs, while ideally suited for culturing certain viruses for vaccines, such as the influenza and MMR vaccines, are also living incubators for large numbers of known and unknown viruses in the animal kingdom. While these do not transmit from their animal host to humans naturally, they nevertheless are sequential genetic codes that, when injected into the human body, have the potential for any number of unpredictable adverse effects by interfering or merging with the codes of human cells.

Vaccine research is at best a primitive science, because it involves injecting into the bloodstream foreign substances, chemical and genetic, that would not otherwise naturally enter the body. When we bring into the equation the enormous amount of known and unknown genetic material and foreign proteins that vaccines introduce into the body, and then consider the rapid increase in epidemics raging through the American population – adult diabetes in children, large numbers of various inflammatory and immune deficiency diseases, asthma and new allergies, severe gastrointestinal disorders (e.g., leaky gut syndrome and Crohn’s disease), chronic fatigue syndrome, and many different neurological disorders (e.g., autism, ADD and ADHD, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s) – we must step back and reconsider their causes. We should avoid the kind of faith that the vaccine industrial complex has in its determinist, reductionist perspective of genetic materialism to find these answers without taking into account the bombardment of toxic chemicals such as vaccine adjuvants and preservatives, extraneous genetic material, pathogenic organisms, and foreign genetic fragments that assault our bodies from shortly after birth into old age.

For some time, it was known that the enzyme reverse transcriptase (RT) was present in final vaccine solutions. RT has been used to this day as an indicator that there is a presence of a retrovirus. During the meeting’s proceedings, the WHO decided to withhold public announcement of such genetic contamination, in this case concerning the MMR vaccine; not to remove it from the market; and, in the meantime, continue safety studies at various laboratories.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Tine on January 01, 2016, 08:49:27 AM
I believe an issue with vaccines is how they are made and the manufacturer. The question is were aborted cells of babies used to produce the vaccine?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on January 01, 2016, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Tine
I believe an issue with vaccines is how they are made and the manufacturer. The question is were aborted cells of babies used to produce the vaccine?

How vaccines are made is key to the issue.

If dangerous retroviruses, embryonic cells from aborted babies, cancer cell lines, contaminated chick eggs, dangerous adjuvants such as mercury and aluminum, and improper testing protocols have been used in manufacturing, and all this is true, then we should be concerned and do more research BEFORE allowing our children and loved ones to receive such injections.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: LaughingAmigo on January 07, 2016, 06:30:00 PM
No, vaccines are not safe.  They are merely a pretext for Jews to inject us with disease and sterilizers.

Protocol 10:19
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... IT IS INDISPENSABLE TO TROUBLE IN ALL COUNTRIES THE PEOPLE'S RELATIONS WITH THEIR GOVERNMENTS SO AS TO UTTERLY EXHAUST HUMANITY WITH DISSENSION, HATRED, STRUGGLE, ENVY AND EVEN BY THE USE OF TORTURE, BY STARVATION, BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES ...
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: copticruiser on January 10, 2016, 02:12:12 AM
I recently heard (sorry it's vague) that in the past few years doctors themselves (apparently a group in Europe ) and else where are finding that 6% on avg of the vaccinated population gets these retro virus that lay dormant in your body until u age or get a weakened immune system. Then over half a dozen diseases wake up. I remember some of them included autism fibro mialja, crowhnes , they also included cancer.

Meant to look into it further I thought it was interesting coming from a medical community.


Your friendly Canadian  :farmer:

P.s we are free in canada to choose whether or not we want to vaccinate


Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on January 10, 2016, 03:30:42 PM
Quote from: copticruiser
I recently heard (sorry it's vague) that in the past few years doctors themselves (apparently a group in Europe ) and else where are finding that 6% on avg of the vaccinated population gets these retro virus that lay dormant in your body until u age or get a weakened immune system. Then over half a dozen diseases wake up. I remember some of them included autism fibro mialja, crowhnes , they also included cancer.

Meant to look into it further I thought it was interesting coming from a medical community.


Your friendly Canadian  :farmer:

P.s we are free in canada to choose whether or not we want to vaccinate




Here in the USA, especially in the Left state of California, where dwell the nuts, fruits, and flakes, vaccination is not only mandatory for children, but also for adults who care for them. In addition, California is pressing to make all adults comply, even senior citizens. There is no way to get out of vaccinations because doctors are under orders from the AMA not to give medical excuses except in the most extreme cases. There are no more personal or religious exemptions.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on January 10, 2016, 03:33:33 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33333788

California vaccination law signed by Jerry Brown.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on January 10, 2016, 03:34:33 PM
http://www.activistpost.com/2015/02/forced-adult-vaccinations-at-federal.html

Adult vaccinations being pressed in the USA
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on January 16, 2016, 11:45:24 PM
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Mercury overstimulates the brain for several years, says Dr. Blaylock, and that activation is the cause of Alzheimer’s and other degenerative diseases. One study found that those who get the vaccine for three to five years increase their risk of Alzheimer’s disease 10-fold.

Doshi asserts that influenza is a case of “disease mongering” in an effort to expand markets. He points to the fact that deaths from flu declined sharply during the middle of the 20th century, long before the huge vaccine campaigns that kicked off the 21st century.

Why do drug companies push the vaccine? “It’s all about money,” says Dr. Blaylock. “Vaccinations are a pharmaceutical company’s dream. They have a product that both the government and the media will help them sell, and since vaccinations are protected, they can’t be sued if anyone has a complication.


http://yournewswire.com/johns-hopkins-scientist-reveals-shocking-report-on-flu-vaccines/

Follow the money!
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on February 16, 2016, 02:29:34 PM
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/02/16/new-book-titled-sarah-doesnt-want-to-be-vaccinated/

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New book, titled: “Sarah doesn’t want to be vaccinated”

by Jon Rappoport

February 16, 2016

Excuse me? What’s that title again?

The author is Andreas Bachmair. I recently met Andreas on a Red Ice interview about the dangers and risks of vaccines. No one has written, to my knowledge, a book questioning vaccination from the point of view of a child—until now.

Quoting from the book’s Amazon page:

“Sarah is really excited about the upcoming Girl Scout trip but there is a problem: she has no vaccination record and doesn’t want to be vaccinated. Can she still go or will she have to stay home? This book is dedicated to all children and parents who are concerned about vaccinations and refuse to give in to the constant vaccination propaganda. Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children make this decision after careful consideration, because they are convinced that vaccinations do more harm than good. The decision not to vaccinate is often not an easy one, because one so often faces criticism and seems to be swimming upstream. Dear parents, I hope this book will help you and your children to understand better the controversial issue of vaccination.”

Here is a biographical note about Andreas:

“Andreas Bachmair is a classical homeopath with a practice in Kreuzlingen by the Bodensee in Switzerland. The focus of his work for over ten years has been the treatment of vaccine-related injuries. This led him to create the website Impfschaden.info to educate people about the dangers of vaccination. Seven years ago, Impfschaden.info was translated into English and can be accessed at Vaccineinjury.info. With nearly 20,000 participants so far, one of the largest studies to document the health of unvaccinated children is currently underway on those two websites. He is the author and publisher of several books critical of vaccinations: ‘Vaccine-Free’, ‘Leitfaden zur Impfentscheidung’ and ‘Risiko und Nebenwirkung Impfschaden’. The latter two are unfortunately not yet available in English.”

This has to be a first—a book about the risks of vaccination featuring a child.

You would think the World Health Organization and the CDC would have released books like this by now, after all these years—you’d think that, if you lived on Mars or in another galaxy.

It falls to a courageous man like Andreas to step up to the plate.


If you buy through the link on the home page of CathInfo, CathInfo gets credit.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on February 16, 2016, 05:52:36 PM
http://thedailycoin.org/?p=62285#sthash.GVbgiZ1t.gbpl&st_refDomain=www.facebook.com&st_refQuery=

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Nagalese prevents vitamin D being produced In the body
Not long ago, Neon Nettle reported on the epidemic of doctors being murdered, most of which were in Florida, U.S.  The scientists all shared a common trait, they had all discovered that nagalase enzyme protein was being added to vaccines which were then administrated to humans.

Nagalese is what prevents vitamin D from being produced in the body, which is the body’s main defence to naturally kill cancer cells.  ..

To see the rest of the story and the video, please click the link.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 12, 2016, 11:26:52 AM
I have studied this subject since 1985.
Two great websites to look at are:

1. http://thinktwice.com/
2. http://drcarley.com/

Here are some facts.

1. Vaccines have never been proven to prevent diseases.  

Oh yes, most people believe they do, because we are told
they do by the schools, the media, the Medical Mafia, the CDC,
and almost everybody.  

When a study is done that is not paid for by the Medical Mafia,
typically 74% of those people who were vaccinated got the disease
AFTER being vaccinated.

The Medical Mafia takes credit for removing childhood diseases with
vaccines starting about 1934.  But actually it was the cleaning up of
the water systems that lowered the incidents of diseases about 1932.

Bottom line: Vaccinations do NOT prevent diseases.

2. Vaccinations have been proven to cause Autism.

Thompson while working at the CDC published a report that showed
the MMR vaccine did NOT cause Autism.  Years later he admitted that
he lied.  His research actually show a link between vaccines and
Autism.   You will not likely find this in mainstream media.  

Dr. Andrew Wakefield from England found evidence suggesting that
the MMR vaccine caused gastro-intesinal problems and Ausitm.  He
merely suggested that somebody should do a study of this.  He lost
his license to practice.  

Dr Russel Blaylock, http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/ a
neuro-scientist has articles showing how the vaccinations cause
encephylitis (brain swelling) which causes siezures, death and Autism.  

He says that even though the parents may not see a reaction to the
vaccine, it may happen anyway in a subtle way.  He says the damage
from the vaccine may not show up until 17-20 years later.

3. Vaccines give people health problems for life, which keeps the
doctors busy and the pharmaceutical companies in business.  

Dr Carley talks about this.  When she started talking about this,
guess what? ... she lost her license.  

Oh this is just the tip of the iceberg.  

It's not necessarily the Mercury.  It's the Aluminum (called an adjuvant)
and many other things in the vaccines which cause damage.  

A good book to read is: "Vaccinations, Social Violence and Criminality" by
Dr Harris Coulter.  

Another is: "Vaccines Are They Really Safe and Effective".  

Another is: "A Shot In The Dark" by Dr Harris Coulter.

BTW the rate of Autism increases every year, about 1 in 50 now.  The
number of vaccines given to children increase almost every year.  

The first case of Autism was discovered about 1936, two years after
mass immunization started.  The doctor called it "childhood schizophrenia".

Is schizophrenia an Autism spectrum disorder?  Is the number of mentally
ill increasing?  Does your school have a "special education department" for
the "mentally challenged"?  

Is this a conspiracy?  You can be sure it is.  Research Eugenics.

Lastly, the public schools may tell you that your child cannot attend school
without being vaccinated.  This is a LIE.  The reason they tell you that is
because the Federal Gov. will stop the funds going to your school if less than
90% of the children are vaccinated.  

If someone tries to force you to vaccinate, first ask for an exemption form.
If that does not work.  Ask someone is a position of authority to take full
responsibility for any damage that may occur, including paying for all court
costs.  I doubt anyone will sign a form taking full responsibility.  








Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 12, 2016, 11:42:29 AM
I forgot to mention an excellent movie about Autism caused by vaccinations,
as first discovered by Dr Andrew Wakefield.  It's called:

"Hear The Silence"

I just found it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkYGSGKI16Q

and an interview of Dr Wakefield is here:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/03/hear-the-silence-a-film-about-autism.html



Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 12, 2016, 02:37:49 PM
qeddeq

That's what we have been told by the CDC, Medical Mafia, the mainstream media and
all the people who believe the propaganda ... that vaccines should be mandatory (even
though they are not tested).

I guess you think we should not have any health freedoms.   We should all have been
forced to get the swine flu vaccine in 1976.  Then the number of Gullain-Barre syndrome
cases would have been twice or three times as many.  

Please give us your reliable source which says that vaccines are safe and that we all
must be vaccinated for your vaccine to protect you.

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 12, 2016, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: qeddeq


Just about all physicians who are board certified, whether as individuals or in associations recommend vaccination. Also the CDC recommends it, WHO, and many other organizations staffed by experts.

The burden is on you to show that the risks outweigh the benefits. I will not accept quacks as sources, or known conspiracy theorists and cranks, so you'll need to dig deep.There is an entire cottage industry out there of conspiracy theorists making money off from a gullible public.



This kind of thinking is typical of the gullible public:

"If the experts and authorities recommend vaccinations, then they couldn't be bad for us and
if anybody disagrees with the government, the authorities and experts, then they are just
conspiracy theorists.  And the burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorists."

I will not accept this vague response as any kind of proof that vaccines are safe.  

If you are going to force vaccines on people, then the burden of proof is on you, not on
the people who want freedom from tyranny.  

It appears that you did not see my statement that Thompson (while working for the CDC)
made a report about Autism and vaccines.  Later he said he LIED in the report and the
facts showed that the MMR vaccine actually does cause Autism.   So when the CDC
says vaccines are safe they are lying.   Therefore, the idea that vaccines are safe is
merely a theory, and an unproven one.

Show me one report that tested multiple vaccines given to a child all at the same time.
Surely, these "experts" and authorities would do scientific testing of vaccines before
using them on the public.  

Post a link here to one such report.  





Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: mw2016 on July 12, 2016, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: qeddeq
vaccines are not only safe, they ought to be mandatory. They have freed children from death and suffering.


This just reeks of trolling.

Okey, dokey Dr. Goebbels - no more medical freedom of choice for anyone! Off with their heads, while we're at it!
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: noOneImportant on July 12, 2016, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: apollo
I have studied this subject since 1985.

Here are some facts.

1. Vaccines have never been proven to prevent diseases.  

2. Vaccinations have been proven to cause Autism.

3. Vaccines give people health problems for life, which keeps the
doctors busy and the pharmaceutical companies in business.  




I am all for facts discussing this issue, as it is a fairly complex one, but please, if you are going to bash vaccines, try to get your facts close to right. For someone who has been studying it for 30 years, you seem to be missing some fairly important (and easily verifiable) facts.

1. To say vaccines have never been proven to prevent diseases is to intentionally bury one's head in the sand. You say the "Medical Mafia" claimed success in 1934. What you fail to mention is that the first "modern" vaccine was the smallpox vaccine, and was introduced shortly before 1800 (I believe the official date is 1797). This was long before any of the elements of your so called "Medical Mafia" were in existence.

The CDC? 1946. WHO? 1948. The three largest pharmaceutical companies in the world were founding near or after the turn of the 20th century.

In the 20 years following this vaccine, smallpox deaths in England fell by well over 50%. You can verify this with census data. Over 50%, and this is before there were widespread immunization programs. Incidentally, it's also over 100 years before the cleaning up of water systems you reference.

Bottom line: vaccines very much do prevent diseases. That is not to say all vaccines are equally effective (or even effective at all), but your claim is patently ridiculous.

If you want to have a conversation about whether the current vaccination program is way over the top and has many unnecessary vaccines, fine. Let's have that conversation, because it's a worthwhile one. But if you are drawing a hard line here you are being irrational.

2 and 3 I am going to leave be for the most part, because here we get into much more recent science where (ironically enough) things become much muddier. There is no doubt that large pharmaceutical companies have a financial interest in keeping people taking vaccines. There is also no doubt that academic research is rife with politics, conflicts of interest, and "money talks" scenarios. Anyone who has experience in that environment will tell you as much.

However, the fact remains that vaccines can, in some cases, be extremely beneficial. So how is one to get to the heart of the matter? It is nearly impossible to conduct one's own investigation. I have, more than once, attempted to research the topic. But invariably one gets bogged down in a mire of conflicting opinions, unsupported statements of fact (from both sides of the argument), and papers that give you the result of a "statistical analysis" and leave you to take it on faith that the author didn't fake the data (again, from both sides).

Here, it comes down to a matter of weighing risks. Even if you take it as a given that a vaccine carries with it some risk (of autism, or other medical problems), is that risk worth it?

For some vaccines, that question is easy. Hepatitis B, for example, is an STD. A Catholic living a moral lifestyle will never be exposed to this disease, so there is no reason to give this vaccine to your children.

If you were to be working in a hospital, or some other environment where you could come in contact with blood on a regular basis, that decision might become more complex, but unless you go into nursing, it's not likely to come up.

On the other extreme, you have something like Tetanus. Anyone living a normal lifestyle could contract tetanus from something as simple as a scratch they got playing in the dirt. It is treatable, but requires days or weeks of hospital care, and even then as mortality rates are high (anywhere from 5-20% depending on who you ask).

So I would argue that it is extremely imprudent not to vaccinate oneself or ones children against Tetanus.

You can do a similar analysis for all of the "recommended" vaccines. Depending on ones particular circumstances (and the degree of their mistrust of the medical establishment), the answers will probably vary a bit.



That got a bit long on me, but this topic is something of a pet peeve of mine. There are many people on both sides that have decided that the best course of action is to draw a line in the sand and ignore everything coming from the other side, but, as always, "In medio virtus stat".
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: cosmas on July 12, 2016, 11:44:44 PM
To GEDDEQ,
Try reading "http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/new_order_of_barbarians.html " this lays out the plans of our" SOCIAL ENGINEERS " You mention conspiracy like it doesn't happen .And if you believe in one your a nutcase. I guess you have not read much of history. How about Julius Ceasar, Jesus Christ betrayed by Judas to the jews. How about the COVER-UP of THE U.S.S. LIBERTY by our acting president Lyndon Johnson and the Israelis. How about J.F.K. yea right lone gunman. How about OPERATION PAPERCLIP, OPERATION KEELHAUL,OPERATION SEAL, I COULD GO ON ENDLESSLY,OH AND OF COURSE OUR OWN GOVERNMENTS COMPLICITY IN 911. YOU SOUND LIKE AN AGENT PROVACATEUR OUT TO DISPARAGE THE TRUTH . I'VE READ ABOUT YOU GUYS TAKING OVER BLOGS TO PUT OUT DISINFORMATION. PEOPLE TIME TO WAKE UP DON'T FALL FOR THE PARTY LINE .THINK FOR YOURSELF.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 09:14:38 AM
Quote from: qeddeq
ok, dr. carley? Suspended schizophrenic? That's what you got? Why do you read these nut jobs? "the government is LYING to you" is your constant refrain.
Again, the sources I looked at are all either not qualified as experts or have been barred from practicing medicine due to psychosis. I am more interested in why you are drawn to bizarre theories. Are you a 9-11 truther too? Moon landing hoax?
I don't blame parents for looking into the issue. I was vaccinated as a child as were all the children of my generation with incident. They may be using too many vaccines these days, but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Pertussis is a killer of infants and kids. They drown in the fluid their respiratory tract  produces.
No one is saying that people should have an unqualified trust of experts, but you have an unqualified trust in quacks!


For some reason I cannot find one report that I asked you to provide in the above comment
which contains lies and misinformation.  You definitely sound like a troll.  

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 09:49:37 AM
"Vaccines: The Specter Haunting America" - with Dr. Stanley Monteith
(Formerly Titled "The Specter Haunting America")

What is autism? Where did this tragic disease come from? Why is the incidence of autism, ADD, ADHD, and other learning disabilities increasing in the United States?

Why is the incidence of allergies, asthma, juvenile diabetes, juvenile arthritis, senile dementia, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, autoimmune disease, cancer, type 2 diabetes, and other chronic diseases increasing in the United States?

Are vaccines safe and effective? How do they work? Why are some people concerned about the widespread use of vaccines?

This DVD addresses those questions, and many other issues.

DVD 72 min. ($19.95)

To order call 1-800-544-8927
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 09:52:34 AM
"Vaccines and Brain Development" - Dr. Russell Blaylock

CDC officials claim vaccines are safe and effective. Is that true? If vaccines are safe, why did the incidence of autism increase from one case of autism in 10,000 American children to one case of autism in 150 American children after the massive childhood vaccination program began? If childhood vaccines are safe, why are 560,000 vaccinated children afflicted with autism while nonvaccinated Amish and Mennonite children rarely have the disease? Why has the incidence of asthma, allergies, autoimmune disease, Type I diabetes, and neurologic conditions dramatically increased in vaccinated children?

Why do obstetricians give pregnant women influenza vaccines that contain a toxic dose of mercury? Why do newborn children receive Hepatitis B vaccine in the nursery when there is no medical justification for the immunization?

Dr. Blaylock's discussion addresses those, and many other, issues. If you are concerned about your health, and the health of your family, you must watch this DVD.

This presentation was given at the 2008 Radio Liberty Seminar.

87 min. ($19.95)

To order call 1-800-544-8927
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 10:03:46 AM
If you really want to know how harmful vaccines are,
plenty of scientific information can be found here:

http://russellblaylockmd.com/





Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 10:25:07 AM
About Smallpox.  

All of us have been told that Smallpox was erased from society by the Smallpox vaccine.
Do you always believe what everybody else is believing ?  

Edward Jenner invented the first Smallpox vaccine.  He vaccinated his son.  His son got
brain damage and died.  Source:

http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/jenners-son-became-mentally-retarded-and-died-after-smallpox-vaccination/

I found this:

What You Need to Know About Smallpox Vaccine

It spreads vaccinia virus from one person to another, which can kill or injure people
It causes reactions in almost everyone who gets it (fever, spread of vaccine virus to other parts of body) and causes extremely severe reactions in 1 in 4,000 persons which can lead to death or injury;
It was never tested in clinical trials before it was used on a mass basis and mandated;
Drug companies making old and new smallpox vaccines want normal federal vaccine safety and efficacy standards to be suspended so the vaccines can be licensed quickly;
Drug companies do not want to be held liable for any injuries and deaths caused by old and new smallpox vaccines.  

Bottom Line: What You Need To Know About Proposed Laws in Your State
When federal and state public health officials convince your Governor to declare a “public health” emergency, they want to be able to use the “state militia” to:  
Take control of all roads leading into and out of your cities and state;
Seize your house, car, telephones, computers, food, fuel, clothing, firearms and alcoholic beverages for their own use (and not be held liable if these actions result in the destruction of your personal property)
Arrest, imprison and forcibly examine, vaccinate and medicate you and your children without your consent (and not be held liable if these actions result in your death or injury).

The source for the above is here:

http://www.nvic.org/nvic-archives/newsletter/forcedvaccination.aspx

Question.  Why is there a Smallpox Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ?

See this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14677536

"Smallpox was declared eradicated, yet still infects humans today. By Viera Scheibner, PhD"
Article is here:

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/04/02/smallpox-declared-eradicated-while-still-alive-and-well-by-viera-scheibner-phd/



Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 10:29:40 AM
Here is a very interesting webpage called:

Spin The Vaccine Adverse Reaction Wheel of Chance

http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/spin-the-vaccine-wheel-of-chance/



Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 13, 2016, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: apollo
About Smallpox.  

All of us have been told that Smallpox was erased from society by the Smallpox vaccine.
Do you always believe what everybody else is believing ?  

Edward Jenner invented the first Smallpox vaccine.  He vaccinated his son.  His son got
brain damage and died.  Source:

http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/jenners-son-became-mentally-retarded-and-died-after-smallpox-vaccination/

I found this:

What You Need to Know About Smallpox Vaccine

It spreads vaccinia virus from one person to another, which can kill or injure people
It causes reactions in almost everyone who gets it (fever, spread of vaccine virus to other parts of body) and causes extremely severe reactions in 1 in 4,000 persons which can lead to death or injury;
It was never tested in clinical trials before it was used on a mass basis and mandated;
Drug companies making old and new smallpox vaccines want normal federal vaccine safety and efficacy standards to be suspended so the vaccines can be licensed quickly;
Drug companies do not want to be held liable for any injuries and deaths caused by old and new smallpox vaccines.  

Bottom Line: What You Need To Know About Proposed Laws in Your State
When federal and state public health officials convince your Governor to declare a “public health” emergency, they want to be able to use the “state militia” to:  
Take control of all roads leading into and out of your cities and state;
Seize your house, car, telephones, computers, food, fuel, clothing, firearms and alcoholic beverages for their own use (and not be held liable if these actions result in the destruction of your personal property)
Arrest, imprison and forcibly examine, vaccinate and medicate you and your children without your consent (and not be held liable if these actions result in your death or injury).


The source for the above is here:

http://www.nvic.org/nvic-archives/newsletter/forcedvaccination.aspx

Question.  Why is there a Smallpox Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ?

See this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14677536

"Smallpox was declared eradicated, yet still infects humans today. By Viera Scheibner, PhD"
Article is here:

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/04/02/smallpox-declared-eradicated-while-still-alive-and-well-by-viera-scheibner-phd/





A) The guy involved in the first smallpox vaccine was James Phipps, who was not Edward Jenner's son. Source (http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/people/jamesphipps)

B) An organization with the most anti-vax bias you've ever seen is not a credible source. Smallpox was eradicated in 1979 with no new cases since, hence the term eradicated.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: JezusDeKoning


A) The guy involved in the first smallpox vaccine was James Phipps, who was not Edward Jenner's son. Source (http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/people/jamesphipps)

B) An organization with the most anti-vax bias you've ever seen is not a credible source. Smallpox was eradicated in 1979 with no new cases since, hence the term eradicated.


I did not say Jenner's son was the first person he vaccinated.  The fact still remains,
Jenner's son was vaccinated and got brain damage and died.  

I guess a website that is the most anti-evil is not a good source either.  
Why don't you try to something more specific than such a vague generalization?

You did not read the last article for which I provided a link.  It that article you will
find this:

"In early 2003, a decision was made to reinstitute smallpox vaccination for selected segments of the US population on the basis of concern that smallpox could be used as an agent of bioterrorism. However, soon it was established that certain questions about the risk of smallpox vaccination in a 21st century arose such as the possibility that the current United States population might be more vulnerable to serious adverse effects of the smallpox vaccine due to a relative increase – compared with 3 to 4 decades ago – in conditions affecting the immune system such as the use of immunosuppressive drugs and the presence of human immunodeficiency virus infection in the community. Many recipients of smallpox vaccine developed serious cardiac events (MMWR; March 28 2002), myopericarditis (JAMA; 289(24): 3283-3289) cardiac death (MMWR; Oct 16 2003), focal and generalized folliculitis (JAMA; 289(24): 3290-3294) and there was also a multistate outbreak of ‘monkeypox’ (MMWR; 52 (24): June 20)."

This shows the danger of the Smallpox vaccination.  So to assume that the Smallpox
vaccination eradicated the disease is illogical.  Perhaps the Smallpox was eradicated
because the vaccinations were stopped and the disease no longer existed.





Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 02:08:25 PM
It looks like you have made a good point on the Smallpox adverse reactions,
but then there is the really big monster facing us ... Autism.

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: qeddeq

As to autism, there has been no increase in autism but an increase in diagnoses of it. This is due to hysterical mothers bringing their children in for various problems. The autism craze has died down so they'll find a new mythical scary side effect soon, don't worry.


What is your source for this?  The CDC ?  The AMA ?  I have heard this argument before and
it's total BS.  

There is an article which disproves your claim.  If I have time, I'll go find it.  

What about Mr Thompson (speaking on behalf of the CDC) who said he lied about MMR not causing Autism.  I guess he lied when he said he lied?

I am not getting any reports from you which I asked for,  just getting vague answers from
the authorities and/or people who make money from vaccinations.  

Are you employed in the medical industry?

Anyway, I have posted enough information to help people find out the truth.  Some will
find it and others will believe what the authorities say.






Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 04:09:37 PM
Searching with Google:
https://www.google.com/webhp?q=thompson%20cdc%20mmr%20autism

will bring up tons of links which show the corruption in the CDC.  Are you going
to believe anything they say?   I'm not.  

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 13, 2016, 05:46:07 PM
Here is some information on vaccinations which I collected which
people may find useful:

Websites:
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html
http://www.reversingvaccineinduceddiseases.com/
http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/
http://www.drtenpenny.com/
http://www.nvic.org/
http://www.medalerts.org/
http://www.thinktwice.com/
http://www.chetday.com/immunizationarticles.htm
http://www.vaclib.org/

Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WoMps4Pmpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVQTXL7IxZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUCCdCecLTo

Books:
https://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Epidemic-Corporate-Coercive-Government/dp/1616082720?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

https://www.amazon.com/Vaccines-Risks-Benefits-Choices-none/dp/B000MGB1O6/190-6503956-8099943?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

https://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Medicines-Organised-Crime-Healthcare/dp/1846198844/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468449918&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=peter+goetch+organized+crime
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 10:03:45 AM
Yeah right.  All the guys who are anti-vaccine are conspiracy theorists
or cranks or whatever derrogatory term scars people.  This is more
politically correct propaganda.

I am still waiting for a report that shows the testing of vaccines,
on children under two years old or testing multiple vaccines given
at the same time.  

I am not vaccinating my children.

If you do, I suggest you ask to see the ingredients (the label) on
the vaccine.  Also ask your doctor if he vaccinated his children.

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:16:53 PM
CDC lies.  CDC is part of the government which gives immunity to
the vaccine manufacturers.  I don't believe anything the CDC says.
You are a troll working for the government or the Medical Mafia.

Here are many answers to your CDC propaganda.  
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+blaylock
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:22:19 PM

Book:  "Medical Mafia" by an MD

https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Mafia-Guylaine-Lanctot-ebook/dp/B015GSMAOY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1468516821&sr=8-2&keywords=medical+mafia
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:24:59 PM

Book:

"Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime: How Big Pharma Has Corrupted Healthcare"
by  Peter Gotzsche, PhD.

https://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Medicines-Organised-Crime-Healthcare/dp/1846198844/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468516983&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=peter+goetsch+organized+crime



Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:26:47 PM
Book:

VACCINES: ARE THEY REALLY SAFE AND EFFECTIVE?  by  Neil Z Miller

https://www.amazon.com/VACCINES-EFFECTIVE-UPDATED-Aug-15-2011-Paperback/dp/B00AVHCSK2/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1468517135&sr=1-2&keywords=vaccines+are+they+really+safe+and+effective

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:29:24 PM
Book:

"Miller's Review of Critical Vaccine Studies: 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized for Parents and Researchers"

by Neil Z Miller

https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Review-Critical-Vaccine-Studies/dp/188121740X/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=JVRQB5PKGWGWTDR9J9D2

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:30:47 PM
Book:

"Vaccine Epidemic: How Corporate Greed, Biased Science, and Coercive Government Threaten Our Human Rights, Our Health, and Our Children"

https://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Epidemic-Corporate-Coercive-Government/dp/1620872129/ref=pd_sim_14_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=516zWyQ6VzL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR107%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=C5VQYRKYKWCNC30VH0Q5

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:31:50 PM
Book:

"Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing Autism Research Fraud at the CDC"

https://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Whistleblower-Exposing-Autism-Research/dp/1634509951/ref=pd_sim_14_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=51U-2wZBsFL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR107%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=7GF199EEA7XBGWM8KYTA
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:34:23 PM
Book:

Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History

by an MD

https://www.amazon.com/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=DTDC8DGZGWGQWTT2Z4BF
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:37:31 PM
Book:

Vaccination, Social Violence, and Criminality: The Medical Assault on the American Brain

by Harris Coulter, PhD

https://www.amazon.com/Vaccination-Social-Violence-Criminality-American/dp/1556430841/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1468517774&sr=1-1&keywords=vaccines+social+violence+and+criminality

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:39:16 PM
Book:

A Shot in the Dark

by Harris Coulter, PhD

https://www.amazon.com/Shot-Dark-H-Coulter/dp/089529463X/ref=pd_sim_14_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=51xtS8uFyYL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR107%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=9MX1B07TA3ZASTDMK5SX


Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:41:53 PM
Book:

Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America

by Robert Whitaker

https://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Epidemic-Bullets-Psychiatric-Astonishing/dp/0307452425/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=DRAJ8858KW25FK2G5CPA

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:45:00 PM
Book:

Brain Disabling Treatments in Psychiatry: Drugs, Electroshock, and the Psychopharmaceutical Complex

By Peter R Breggin, MD (from Harvard)

https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Disabling-Treatments-Psychiatry-Psychopharmaceutical/dp/082612934X/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1468518157&sr=1-6&keywords=breggin

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:47:58 PM
Book:

Talking Back to Ritalin: What Doctors Aren't Telling You About Stimulants and ADHD

by Peter R Breggin, MD

https://www.amazon.com/Talking-Back-Ritalin-Doctors-Stimulants/dp/0738205443/ref=pd_sim_14_22?ie=UTF8&dpID=41ZSZe5DxwL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR105%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=6MHR3FNSJFN4KZV5EP43

ADHD: caused by vaccinations.  See videos by Dr Russell Blaylock for more
information on that.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:51:53 PM
Book:

Male Practice: How Doctors Manipulate Women

by Robert S. Mendelsohn, MD

https://www.amazon.com/Male-Practice-Doctors-Manipulate-Women/dp/0809257211/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=510cSfytm-L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR107%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=40D7QE0SMB2XV9WWD198

Doctors tell women to vaccinate their children because there is an epidemic going
around, which is BS.

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:54:03 PM
Book:

Confessions of a Medical Heretic

(Covers issues from unnecessary surgeries and prescribed drugs to preventive medicine and home births.)

by Robert S  Mendelsohn , MD

https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Medical-Heretic-Robert-Mendelsohn/dp/0809241315/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=41NmhBeITlL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR107%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=0133CKR6K09ECAR0589R


Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 12:58:43 PM
Book:

Confessions of an Rx Drug Pusher

by Gwen Olsen (ex sales representative for a pharmaceutical company)

https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Drug-Pusher-Gwen-Olsen/dp/1935278592/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1468518949&sr=1-1&keywords=gwen+olsen

Talks about life on the inside of the companies who make drugs and vaccines.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 01:01:24 PM
Book:

Overdosed America: The Broken Promise of American Medicine

by John Abramson, MD

https://www.amazon.com/Overdosed-America-Promise-American-Medicine/dp/0061344761/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=51EuraTDLxL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR106%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=PFED1G8EDW8W4JTDBFR5

First comment about this book:

"I have been a physician for 10 years. I have seen my profession gradually being taken over by the pharmaceutical industry. I have seen countless patients harmed - alas even killed - by drug reactions and polypharmacy.

I have sat and listened to countless drug representative presentations that were outright falsehoods and misrepresentations. It has been months - maybe even years that I have had available to me a medical education conference that was not somehow tainted by drug company money and therefore propaganda.

I have repeatedly had patients in my office begging me for medication that they do not need. They want it simply because it was on TV News last night - and came with a promise of metaphysical salvation. I spend much time every day dissuading patients from taking medication they simply do not need - indeed may even cause real medical problems.

The issues that are discussed in this book are very very real - and the scary part is I do not see my fellow physicians doing a single thing to address these huge problems.

Dr. Abramson - thank you for hopefully what will be the opening salvo in a very important battle."

-----------------------------------------------------------

What is the number 3 cause of death in the US ????

Iatrogenic Disease (death from medicines).

Look it up.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 01:06:11 PM
Videos by Gwen Olsen (worked for a pharmaceutical company as a very successful sales representative)

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gwen+olsen

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 01:12:20 PM
Videos by Peter Breggin, MD, psychiatrist, author of over 20 books, testifies in court
against pharmaceutical companies.  See his website:

http://breggin.com/

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+breggin

The increased drugging of our children, because of ADHD and other
things is a known fact.   Breggin talks about this problem and others.

 






Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 14, 2016, 01:15:17 PM
Website worth looking at, which exposes pharmaceutical companies.

MAD in AMEERICA

http://www.madinamerica.com/


Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: qeddeq on July 14, 2016, 08:07:10 PM
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/70854/1/WHO_IVB_12.04_eng.pdf



Analysis by WHO of recent VAX programmes, by experts who are not either mentally ill or quacks driven from the practice of medicine
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 14, 2016, 09:15:31 PM
Hey geddeg,
Are you a doctor?  Are you a scientist too?  Whenever I see a thread about alternative health, you are usually there to 'debunk' it (and by 'debunk' I mean you explain nothing, offer no facts, call the idea stupid, and then post a link from some website you ridiculously believe to be an 'expert opinion'.  At the end of the day, you didn't 'debunk' anything, you just come off as uneducated as you can't offer anything to the discussion except 'links'.)  Why do you care so much?  If you don't like the thread, ignore it.  
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 16, 2016, 11:21:26 AM
Quote from: qeddeq
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/70854/1/WHO_IVB_12.04_eng.pdf

Analysis by WHO of recent VAX programmes, by experts who are not either mentally ill or quacks driven from the practice of medicine


Please point out to us where in this huge document is there any proof that vaccines
are effective.   Talking about improving the safety does in no way prove that vaccines
are effective.

I realize that everybody assumes that vaccines are effective, but I would like to see
some proof, scientific reports made by an independent organization.  

Surely there are some experts that can demonstrate with science that vaccines are
effective.  

And, more importantly, demonstrate that vaccines do not cause Autism.  While
doing that, please debunk the following book with something tangible and scientific,
rather than the usual ad hominem attacks (mentally-ill, conspiracy theorists, etc. --
none or which have been proven).  


"Exposing Autism Research Fraud at the CDC"

https://www.amazon.com/Exposing-Research-Vaccine-Whistleblower-Hardback/dp/B015M07I0M/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1468685517&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=cdc+thompson+fraud

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41l-VFZaTAL._SX266_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: cosmas on July 17, 2016, 08:24:52 AM
This is for Geddeq,
It comes down to , do I want to be vaccinated ,do I want my kids to be vaccinated. No one should be forced to be vaccinated against their will. Those that want vaccinations should not worry about those that don't want vaccinations. If you get vaccinated ,why worry about those that don't get vaccinated. According to the medical field when you get vaccinated ,you are protected from the disease you are getting vaccinated against. So why worry about all the people that don't get vaccinated ?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: snowball on July 17, 2016, 11:16:39 AM
I have long been convinced that the vaccine regimen recommended
by medical professionals today is an overload of toxic materials
and these vaccines are administered too frequently and too early
in the toddler's life.

Years ago, a family member of mine had a little baby, my advice
to her was not to take the vaccines, and at the very least, reduce
the number and frequency and wait until the child is older.

Unfortunately, she did refuse one vaccine, but took all the others,
and the child was vaccinated with most of the recommended
regimens at the usual times.

Now, 4 years later, she's being confronted with the likely
truth that her child has mild-spectrum autism.
That has been the preliminary opinion of a professional clinic,
and I must admit that the child does in fact behave questionably.

This has caused immense heartbreak and anxiety.

I would not rub it in her face, that I told her, and she chose
to believe the professionals and now, it is likely she must
deal with a mildly autistic child.

So.

Is it worth it ?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 02:04:47 PM
Quote from: qeddeq

(1) Vaxing a population creates "herd immunity". Before vaccines people were much more likely to get lethal or crippling diseases.

(2) If we stopped vaccination people would be overriden with disease and would soon demand reinstatement of vaccine programmes!


(1) Theory only, has no factual or scientific basis.  The propaganda of the CDC and WHO.

(2) The Amish do not vaccinate their children.  They are healthy.  They have NO Autism.  

Just try to stop vaccinations and see what happens.  It will never be done, because the
rest of the population will become health like the Amish.  Then the people will know that
the whole vaccine program is a hoax.  

This is what happens every time the Medical Mafia goes on strike.  It has happening 3 times
once in Belgium, once in Canada and once somewhere else.  

Every time they go on strike the death rate DECREASES dramatically.  As soon as this information
hits the newspapers, the Medical Mafia quits the strike.  

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
Quote from: qeddeq
what is happening today is that children get autism, since that is something to which they have always been vulnerable, but now the parents blame it on the vaccines.


Yes, so does:

Dr Russell Blaylock, MD, http://russellblaylockmd.com and
Dr Rebecca Carley, MD, http://www.reversingvaccineinduceddiseases.com/ and
many others.  

See http://nvic.org for the most complete information about vaccine damage.

BTW, Dr Carley was examined by 5 psychiatrists and all 5 said she is normal.  
So if you call her a nut you are a liar.  

Dr Carley has at this time an outstanding reward of $10,000 for any pediatrician who
will debate her on her radio talk show and win the debate as judged by the audience.  

You will find the following on her website, http://drcarley.com ...

On June 13, 2006, Dr. Carley offered a $10,000 reward to any member of the American Academy of Pediatrics who would come on internet radio and refute the documents on this website via the following e-mail:
 
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Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: noOneImportant
Quote from: apollo
Quote from: qeddeq

(1) Vaxing a population creates "herd immunity". Before vaccines people were much more likely to get lethal or crippling diseases.

(1) Theory only, has no factual or scientific basis.  The propaganda of the CDC and WHO.



It has a basis. Simple mathematics.


What math?  

Assume there are 100 people in the room, 50 are vaccinated, 50 are not.  
How likely are you (one of the vaccinated) to get sick from the disease (say MMR).

First of all, one study showed that 74% of those who were vaccinated got the disease
from the vaccination.  So any mathematics has to take into account this fact.  

You will also have to take into account the number of people who have died from the
vaccination.  

Didn't know about this.  Check the government database search on MMR vaccine and
the number of deaths in any year, say 2009.    

Here is the website: http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php

Don't forget that 1 in 50 get Autism (diagnosed Autism)  and many more get some
kind of Autism Spectrum Disorder (not diagnosed until later).  

Where is the report that tested this herd immunity concept ?  
You won't find it, because it's never been done.  



Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 03:05:29 PM
Folks,

This is the holy grail, the vaccinations.  

If the vaccinations are stopped, then the number of people getting sick from auto-immune
diseases will decrease dramatically.

Many medical doctors will have to find another job.
The sales of pharmaceutical drugs will plummet.  
The cost of health insurance will decrease.  
The special education programs will not be necessary.

But we will never see this happy day, because as I speak, the CDC is trying to force
vaccination of newborn babies.   WHY?

Because then if the vaccination causes brain damage or death or autism, the CDC can
say the child was born that way, it's not the fault of the vaccination.  

Do you think that CDC likes the Amish people who do not vaccinate?   Heck no.  The CDC
has created this unproven concept of "herd immunity" so they can force vaccinations on
everyone, except their own children.  

Oh the smart doctors do not vaccinate their children.

The 5 doctors that I consult with would never vaccinate their children.  

As you can see I hit a nerve.   I've got 2 trolls attacking me now.  

Any doctor who publicly says not to vaccinate your children risks having his license
taken away.  That's how scientific the Medical Mafia are.  

In the case of Dr. Max Gerson who was curing cancer with diet, he got poisoned
and died.  Don't believe me, see this:

https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=max+gerson+poisoned











Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: qeddeq
before I slice and dice you yet again do you wish to reevaluate your claim that the amish do not vaccinate their children?


Yes, go ahead, call me some more names and refuse to show the whole history of the
Amish health.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: qeddeq
Quote from: apollo


(2) The Amish do not vaccinate their children.  They are healthy.  They have NO Autism.  



so you have conceded that (2) is false.


OK, so they had 3 cases, one child from Africa, one who was vaccinated, and one ?

They should have had 200 cases, judging by the rest of the US.

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 03:21:22 PM
Quote from: qeddeq
before I slice and dice you yet again do you wish to reevaluate your claim that the amish do not vaccinate their children?


No I want you to win the $10,000 reward being offered by Dr Rebecca Carley for debating
her on her radio show and winning the argument, proving that vaccines are not weapons
of mass destruction.  

That should be easy for someone who can call people names and threaten to cut them up.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 03:30:57 PM
The WHO vaccinated women in the Philippines with a Tetanus shots containing
anti-fertility agents.  Three shots within three months and a total of five altogether.

But, since tetanus vaccinations provide protection for ten years or more, why were multiple
inoculations called for?

Here is the source for that:

http://thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm


Of course, they would NEVER do that in the US.


Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 03:38:46 PM
More about the

SMALLPOX VACCINATION HOAX

can be found here:

http://whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html


The CDC and other government agencies tell us the vaccines eradicated Smallpox from
the face of the Earth.  

This is just another LIE.  Do the research.  

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 03:43:47 PM
Here is a link to reports of how much healthier people are when they were never
vaccinated:

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/unvaxhealth.htm

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 03:52:37 PM
Here is what Dr Mercola, MD thinks about the Swine Flu Vaccine.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/01/swine-flu-shot-linked-to-killer-nerve-disease.aspx

It's important to notice how the government operates.

The government declared that anyone suing for Guillain-Barre Syndrome after Jan 1
1985, could only receive $250,000.    

I guess they didn't have enough money to pay for all the damage.  Afterall, fixing a
person who was paralyzed from the waste down could get expensive.

If you don't like Mercola, here are more details about how damaging the Flu Shot is:

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/guillain-barre-syndrome-is-1-side-effect-of-vaccine-injury-compensations-due-to-flu-shots/





Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 17, 2016, 03:57:35 PM
Quote from: qeddeq

It is true that the Amish do undervaccinate. However, they suffer the same rate of illness as other undervaccination populations.

So many amish do vaccinate, and when they do not, they get sick.

If your premise is that preindustrial living gives one an immunity to illness, then you would have to believe that the history of civilization is one big lie.


Your claim that "people who are not vaccinated get sick" is a very general statement.  In fact,
it's so general that it must be considered a theory.  

Why?  People who are vaccinated get sick also.  In fact the vaccinated get MORE sick.

See this:

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/unvaxhealth.htm

And you still have to show that people who have Autism were not vaccinated.  
Or show the percentage who have Autism who were not vaccinated.  

I think you should go get a flu shot and prove to us that you are correct.
Get an MMR shot also, get a DPT shot, get an HIB shot and about 10 others.  


 
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 18, 2016, 11:07:23 AM
Quote from: qeddeq
are you claiming that autism does not predate vaccinations? If vaccination is a necessary condition for autism, then no one before vaccination had autism. However, we know that autism existed before vax. Therefore, vax is not a necessary condition for autism.
You dodged my brilliant point about preindustrial living and disease. Your logic leads one to conclude that no one got sick before the industrial revolution and the lifestyles it created. That is patently false, unless you want to say that scripture is lying. The OT and the NT mention leprosy, epilepsy and fever, among many other diseases.


Before vaccinations existed what was the rate of "autism" that you are talking
about?  

1 in 10,000,000.  

Now we have an EPIDEMIC of Autism and mental-illness, caused by vaccines.
I have provided links to the proof of that.  Dr Russell Blaylock, MD has proved
that.  Thompson, an employee of the CDC, said he lied in the report about
vaccines do not cause Autism.  

Yes, disease has always existed.  I got the measles and I got over it (no big deal).
Now I have life-long immunity, unlike those who are vaccinated with MMR.  

You said vaccines removed Smallpox from Earth.  That is a big hoax, and the lie
of the medical system and vaccine manufacturers.   I provided some links to prove
that is a lie.  

I provided links the show that diseases were already declining in 1932 when mass
immunization was started.  The medical system claims that the vaccines removed
the diseases.  This is another big lie.   Do the research.  

So the bottom line is you either:

1) Get the measles and get over it

or

2) Get 45 vaccines and still get the measles (50-75% of the cases),
risk getting Autism or an Autism-Spectrum Disorder (5-15%),
risk getting Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (yes, the peak death date
is 21 days after the vaccine), risk turning blue unable to breath and
dieing (yes, really).  

A lawyer told me about a 10-year-old boy who got vaccinated and died.
The parents sued the vaccine manufacturer and lost the case.  The vaccine
manufacturer said "we have put it in writing that the vaccines are not
guaranteed".  And also one of the parents has to sign for each shot, taking
responsibility for any damage.      

We really do have an EPIDEMIC of Autism and mental illness and special
education programs.   You have to live in a closet to be unaware of this.

The mental hospitals are bursting at the seems.  The waiting list at
Western State Hospital (806 beds) is about 34 days (before you can get in).  

The staff is overworked.  They pump you full of psychiatric drugs, enough
to make you hardly able to walk (in the case I am familiar with).  

They release you and you are back in later a few months later.  It's called
a revolving door.  You might want to dig up some LIES on this too in order
to respond.  

Here are some more links to show the people that you are a troll being
paid by the Medical Mafia, bent on forcing vaccinations on the whole
population.  I wonder if you are a dual citizen of the US and Israel, whose
job is to destroy the children of the US.

Vaccine Nation- Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8nrdybZZzA

Truth behind Vaccines- Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQsVTlMsQrI

Silent Epidemic- Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4

Deadly Vaccines- Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yURXZKry-I

Dr. Tenpenny on Vaccines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0itUGqT95k

Chasm of conspiricy Part 3 Mercury, Squalene, H1N1, Vaccines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbSQSgL8p3Q

Forced Vaccinations-Whistleblower- Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNrMY9vsiCc&index=17

Depopulation thru Vaccines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzRIESNmaGg


Last but not least:

Dr Sherry Tenpenny's website:
http://drtenpenny.com/




Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Matthew on July 18, 2016, 04:10:39 PM
qeddeq has been banned.

Not just because he is pro-vaccination (for there are many Traditional Catholics woefully ignorant about vaccines, and the danger thereof).

The reason I banned him: he, along with a select group of Illuminati/serious bad guys has called for MANDATORY VACCINATION. I hear this from various villains like the heads of Monsanto, Bayer, people like Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, etc.

But a Traditional Catholic uttering something fit for the Georgia Guidestones? Something that I thought only serious bad guys (Illuminati, Freemasons, Satan worshippers) were pushing for?

Mandatory public school, mandatory vaccination, mandatory state religion, mandatory state raising of your children, etc. all go against the natural law, and the natural rights of parents as given by God.

It is indisputable Catholic doctrine that parents have a right and a duty to raise their own children. That includes spiritual matters, as well as education and taking care of them physically. The State has no right to intervene.

You only disagree with that if you are a Communist or a state-worshiping Fascist.

Anyhow, I don't allow Communists on CathInfo, or willing dupes who spout their doctrine. So good riddance.

Anyone who wishes to see children ripped from their homes, forceably indoctrinated, forcibly vaccinated, "superfluous" children forcibly aborted, forceably inducted into the military, old people forceably euthanized at age 60, or anyone who wants to see the world population reduced to 100 million -- you aren't welcome on CathInfo.

We have a strict "no Illuminati" policy here.

Anyhow, qeddeq was either an agent/plant, or just a seriously ignorant and deluded sheep. Either way, someone in that state is only a liability to a discussion forum (where we all seek the truth). What is the likelihood he would have the truth about anything, when his brain is that washed by propaganda? When his critical thinking skills are so lacking?

Oh, and P.S. -- CathInfo has been conspiracy discussion friendly since the very beginning. That was the very reason I started CathInfo. So those who believe in the fake moon landing, the official gov't story on 9/11, etc. are TOLERATED on CathInfo, not the other way around!
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: noOneImportant on July 18, 2016, 07:02:28 PM
I can't for the life of me understand why people are so all-or-nothing on this issue. The first vaccines were created long before the so-called "medical mafia" could possibly have existed, so to say that every vaccine ever is part of a sinister plot to poison people so pharmaceutical companies can make more money treating them is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as saying that something like the Hep-B or Flu vaccine should be mandatory, or even recommendable.

Is it so hard to find some kind of middle ground here?
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 19, 2016, 10:25:54 AM
Forced vaccinations? Eww. I don't have much of an opinion on vaccinations yet as a 22 year old unmarried male with no children, but... I can't think of anyone who is for THAT.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Mark 79 on July 19, 2016, 11:13:03 AM
Quote from: Matthew
...something fit for the Georgia Guidestones...


Truly!

An Austrian whistleblower reported finding dozens of thousands of swine flu vaccines that were live unattenuated virus. The whistleblower was fired. Other whistleblowers found swine flu vaccines with squalene adjuvant a thousand times specifications. Batches were found in Canada and Arizona that were simply inert.

Two CDC whistleblowers have repeatedly confessed that they had solid evidence that the MMR vaccine was associated with autism when it was given before 18 months of age.  They admitted to publishing otherwise.

Vaccines have been contaminated with live oncogenic (cancer-causing) viruses, live HIV retrovirus, and Bill Gates "humanitarian" vaccine program was caught administering vaccines that secretly included an anti-pregnancy component (anti-HCG antibodies).

The woman who developed the HPV vaccine admitted that the vaccine does not work as intended. The associated deaths and horrifying complications have been hidden.

And, in the USA, many vaccines are derived from the cells of aborted babies.  Europe and Japan have alternative vaccines that are not derived from aborted babies, but those vaccines are not available in the US.

Horrifying, satanic, anti-life.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 19, 2016, 11:14:02 AM
Quote from: JezusDeKoning
Forced vaccinations? Eww. I don't have much of an opinion on vaccinations yet as a 22 year old unmarried male with no children, but... I can't think of anyone who is for THAT.


http://drtenpenny.com/how-did-we-get-here-how-do-we-escape/

It's happening in California and coming to your state in the future.
Pretty scary.  Get a passport.

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: TKGS on July 19, 2016, 11:19:40 AM
Quote from: noOneImportant
I can't for the life of me understand why people are so all-or-nothing on this issue. The first vaccines were created long before the so-called "medical mafia" could possibly have existed, so to say that every vaccine ever is part of a sinister plot to poison people so pharmaceutical companies can make more money treating them is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as saying that something like the Hep-B or Flu vaccine should be mandatory, or even recommendable.

Is it so hard to find some kind of middle ground here?


I wonder how many of those "first vaccines" are still used today?  How many of them are used purely, without mercury, etc.?  I'm not fundamentally against all vaccines, but I doubt that very many vaccines in use today are pure vaccines that were developed decades ago "before the so-called 'medical mafia' could possibly have existed."
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 19, 2016, 11:21:27 AM
Quote from: Matthew
qeddeq has been banned.


Thank you, but watch out, he may come back with another username,
if he doesn't have one already.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: apollo on July 19, 2016, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: noOneImportant
I can't for the life of me understand why people are so all-or-nothing on this issue. The first vaccines were created long before the so-called "medical mafia" could possibly have existed, so to say that every vaccine ever is part of a sinister plot to poison people so pharmaceutical companies can make more money treating them is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as saying that something like the Hep-B or Flu vaccine should be mandatory, or even recommendable.

Is it so hard to find some kind of middle ground here?


I really don't think you have been following this discussion or looking at any of the
material I have mentioned so far.  

There is no middle ground, because you cannot look at the liquid they are shooting
into your blood and see the agents that cause Autism, tendency to get Cancer,
tendency to get asthma, and other auto-immune diseases.  

Even if the vaccines were free of all the auto-immune causing agents, there
effectiveness has NEVER been proven.  What has been proven is that the
vaccines give you the disease that they are said to prevent.  

So, you can use the government database http://medalerts.org/ to check on
the safety of a vaccine.   I would wait until the vaccine has been out for at
least one year.  Then check the database for adverse reactions.  If there is
none, then get yourself vaccinated.  

However, don't force me to get vaccinated and don't force anyone else.

Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Alexandria on July 19, 2016, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: Matthew
qeddeq has been banned.

Not just because he is pro-vaccination (for there are many Traditional Catholics woefully ignorant about vaccines, and the danger thereof).

The reason I banned him: he, along with a select group of Illuminati/serious bad guys has called for MANDATORY VACCINATION. I hear this from various villains like the heads of Monsanto, Bayer, people like Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, etc.

But a Traditional Catholic uttering something fit for the Georgia Guidestones? Something that I thought only serious bad guys (Illuminati, Freemasons, Satan worshippers) were pushing for?

Mandatory public school, mandatory vaccination, mandatory state religion, mandatory state raising of your children, etc. all go against the natural law, and the natural rights of parents as given by God.

It is indisputable Catholic doctrine that parents have a right and a duty to raise their own children. That includes spiritual matters, as well as education and taking care of them physically. The State has no right to intervene.

You only disagree with that if you are a Communist or a state-worshiping Fascist.

Anyhow, I don't allow Communists on CathInfo, or willing dupes who spout their doctrine. So good riddance.

Anyone who wishes to see children ripped from their homes, forceably indoctrinated, forcibly vaccinated, "superfluous" children forcibly aborted, forceably inducted into the military, old people forceably euthanized at age 60, or anyone who wants to see the world population reduced to 100 million -- you aren't welcome on CathInfo.

We have a strict "no Illuminati" policy here.

Anyhow, qeddeq was either an agent/plant, or just a seriously ignorant and deluded sheep. Either way, someone in that state is only a liability to a discussion forum (where we all seek the truth). What is the likelihood he would have the truth about anything, when his brain is that washed by propaganda? When his critical thinking skills are so lacking?

Oh, and P.S. -- CathInfo has been conspiracy discussion friendly since the very beginning. That was the very reason I started CathInfo. So those who believe in the fake moon landing, the official gov't story on 9/11, etc. are TOLERATED on CathInfo, not the other way around!


Oh, happy day.   :smile:

Once again I agree with Matthew.    :rahrah:

Things are looking up.   :wink: :cheers:
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Lover of Truth on July 19, 2016, 01:58:48 PM
Quote from: Matthew
qeddeq has been banned.

Not just because he is pro-vaccination (for there are many Traditional Catholics woefully ignorant about vaccines, and the danger thereof).

The reason I banned him: he, along with a select group of Illuminati/serious bad guys has called for MANDATORY VACCINATION. I hear this from various villains like the heads of Monsanto, Bayer, people like Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, etc.

But a Traditional Catholic uttering something fit for the Georgia Guidestones? Something that I thought only serious bad guys (Illuminati, Freemasons, Satan worshippers) were pushing for?

Mandatory public school, mandatory vaccination, mandatory state religion, mandatory state raising of your children, etc. all go against the natural law, and the natural rights of parents as given by God.

It is indisputable Catholic doctrine that parents have a right and a duty to raise their own children. That includes spiritual matters, as well as education and taking care of them physically. The State has no right to intervene.

You only disagree with that if you are a Communist or a state-worshiping Fascist.

Anyhow, I don't allow Communists on CathInfo, or willing dupes who spout their doctrine. So good riddance.

Anyone who wishes to see children ripped from their homes, forceably indoctrinated, forcibly vaccinated, "superfluous" children forcibly aborted, forceably inducted into the military, old people forceably euthanized at age 60, or anyone who wants to see the world population reduced to 100 million -- you aren't welcome on CathInfo.

We have a strict "no Illuminati" policy here.

Anyhow, qeddeq was either an agent/plant, or just a seriously ignorant and deluded sheep. Either way, someone in that state is only a liability to a discussion forum (where we all seek the truth). What is the likelihood he would have the truth about anything, when his brain is that washed by propaganda? When his critical thinking skills are so lacking?

Oh, and P.S. -- CathInfo has been conspiracy discussion friendly since the very beginning. That was the very reason I started CathInfo. So those who believe in the fake moon landing, the official gov't story on 9/11, etc. are TOLERATED on CathInfo, not the other way around!


I couldn't agree with you more on the above issues.  :applause:
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on July 21, 2016, 01:46:30 AM
Quote from: Matthew
qeddeq has been banned.

Not just because he is pro-vaccination (for there are many Traditional Catholics woefully ignorant about vaccines, and the danger thereof).

The reason I banned him: he, along with a select group of Illuminati/serious bad guys has called for MANDATORY VACCINATION. I hear this from various villains like the heads of Monsanto, Bayer, people like Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, etc.

But a Traditional Catholic uttering something fit for the Georgia Guidestones? Something that I thought only serious bad guys (Illuminati, Freemasons, Satan worshippers) were pushing for?

Mandatory public school, mandatory vaccination, mandatory state religion, mandatory state raising of your children, etc. all go against the natural law, and the natural rights of parents as given by God.

It is indisputable Catholic doctrine that parents have a right and a duty to raise their own children. That includes spiritual matters, as well as education and taking care of them physically. The State has no right to intervene.

You only disagree with that if you are a Communist or a state-worshiping Fascist.

Anyhow, I don't allow Communists on CathInfo, or willing dupes who spout their doctrine. So good riddance.

Anyone who wishes to see children ripped from their homes, forceably indoctrinated, forcibly vaccinated, "superfluous" children forcibly aborted, forceably inducted into the military, old people forceably euthanized at age 60, or anyone who wants to see the world population reduced to 100 million -- you aren't welcome on CathInfo.

We have a strict "no Illuminati" policy here.

Anyhow, qeddeq was either an agent/plant, or just a seriously ignorant and deluded sheep. Either way, someone in that state is only a liability to a discussion forum (where we all seek the truth). What is the likelihood he would have the truth about anything, when his brain is that washed by propaganda? When his critical thinking skills are so lacking?

Oh, and P.S. -- CathInfo has been conspiracy discussion friendly since the very beginning. That was the very reason I started CathInfo. So those who believe in the fake moon landing, the official gov't story on 9/11, etc. are TOLERATED on CathInfo, not the other way around!


Praise the Lord!
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Kiwi on July 30, 2016, 10:18:48 PM
i dont understand how people can be for forced vaccination how would they feel if someone stuck a needle in their arm and they had no idea what the needle contained
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: RogerThat on September 07, 2016, 10:09:51 AM
Vaccine will save the life of your child.
They don't necessarily need the chickenpox virus, but vaccines against polio, measles, mumps will save your child and are NOT made from aborted fetuses. They are usually made in eggs now. Please please please speak with a professional who is well educated about this topic (an MD or a DO NOT a nurse or nurse practitioner).

“As people’s fears of the diseases abated, their concerns for the side-effects of the vaccine increased.” Peter Parham

Many of you have not seen polio or smallpox. Google them. You have internet.
We have now eradicated smallpox and polio due to vaccines.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Matto on September 07, 2016, 10:16:14 AM
I don't know if vaccines are dangerous, but I object to the vaccines made using aborted babies. I believe it is a sin to knowingly accept those vaccines. When I was younger I did get those vaccines because my parents did not know they were made from murdered babies.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Catholic Samurai on September 07, 2016, 04:20:06 PM
Quote from: RogerThat
Vaccine will save the life of your child.
They don't necessarily need the chickenpox virus, but vaccines against polio, measles, mumps will save your child and are NOT made from aborted fetuses. They are usually made in eggs now. Please please please speak with a professional who is well educated about this topic (an MD or a DO NOT a nurse or nurse practitioner).

“As people’s fears of the diseases abated, their concerns for the side-effects of the vaccine increased.” Peter Parham

Many of you have not seen polio or smallpox. Google them. You have internet.
We have now eradicated smallpox and polio due to vaccines.


This is a myth. Vaccines are at best ineffective. According to the CDC (if Im not mistaken) , no epidemic has successfully been contained by vaccines save the original for Smallpox. Not even Polio. Given the regular correlation between disease and vaccination, I dont think it's  worth it.  A doctor can tell me all day about how he believes vaccines are safe and effective, but that doesnt change the fact my relative got rushed to the hospital because they had life threatening reactions to the vaccine, or got sick with the disease they were vaccinated against when prior to their "immunization" they were just fine.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: RogerThat on September 07, 2016, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: Catholic Samurai
Quote from: RogerThat
Vaccine will save the life of your child.
They don't necessarily need the chickenpox virus, but vaccines against polio, measles, mumps will save your child and are NOT made from aborted fetuses. They are usually made in eggs now. Please please please speak with a professional who is well educated about this topic (an MD or a DO NOT a nurse or nurse practitioner).

“As people’s fears of the diseases abated, their concerns for the side-effects of the vaccine increased.” Peter Parham

Many of you have not seen polio or smallpox. Google them. You have internet.
We have now eradicated smallpox and polio due to vaccines.


This is a myth. Vaccines are at best ineffective. According to the CDC (if Im not mistaken) , no epidemic has successfully been contained by vaccines save the original for Smallpox. Not even Polio. Given the regular correlation between disease and vaccination, I dont think it's  worth it.  A doctor can tell me all day about how he believes vaccines are safe and effective, but that doesnt change the fact my relative got rushed to the hospital because they had life threatening reactions to the vaccine, or got sick with the disease they were vaccinated against when prior to their "immunization" they were just fine.


Polio has decreased by 99% since the 80s because of vaccines. Source here  (http://www.who.int/features/qa/07/en/)

We only see outbreaks of these seriously debilitating diseases when children who aren't vaccinated come in contact with children who have the virus (like at Disneyland, Church, the grocery store, etc.). Think about it. If you have a baby and place your baby on the "child seat" of a grocery cart and if the child that sat in the seat before had the virus your child could possibly grab the virus too!
Please vaccinate your children.
Vaccines are NOT made from new fetal or aborted tissue. They were in the past but not anymore. Merck, the company that makes vaccines, DOES NOT use fetal embryonic stem cells to make vaccines anymore. They used to. but not anymore.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Gabriella on September 14, 2016, 12:38:47 AM
Definitely watch the movie: VAXXED. It was excellent.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on October 06, 2016, 05:13:26 AM
Quote from: RogerThat
Quote from: Catholic Samurai
Quote from: RogerThat
Vaccine will save the life of your child.
They don't necessarily need the chickenpox virus, but vaccines against polio, measles, mumps will save your child and are NOT made from aborted fetuses. They are usually made in eggs now. Please please please speak with a professional who is well educated about this topic (an MD or a DO NOT a nurse or nurse practitioner).

“As people’s fears of the diseases abated, their concerns for the side-effects of the vaccine increased.” Peter Parham

Many of you have not seen polio or smallpox. Google them. You have internet.
We have now eradicated smallpox and polio due to vaccines.


This is a myth. Vaccines are at best ineffective. According to the CDC (if Im not mistaken) , no epidemic has successfully been contained by vaccines save the original for Smallpox. Not even Polio. Given the regular correlation between disease and vaccination, I dont think it's  worth it.  A doctor can tell me all day about how he believes vaccines are safe and effective, but that doesnt change the fact my relative got rushed to the hospital because they had life threatening reactions to the vaccine, or got sick with the disease they were vaccinated against when prior to their "immunization" they were just fine.


Polio has decreased by 99% since the 80s because of vaccines. Source here  (http://www.who.int/features/qa/07/en/)

We only see outbreaks of these seriously debilitating diseases when children who aren't vaccinated come in contact with children who have the virus (like at Disneyland, Church, the grocery store, etc.). Think about it. If you have a baby and place your baby on the "child seat" of a grocery cart and if the child that sat in the seat before had the virus your child could possibly grab the virus too!
Please vaccinate your children.
Vaccines are NOT made from new fetal or aborted tissue. They were in the past but not anymore. Merck, the company that makes vaccines, DOES NOT use fetal embryonic stem cells to make vaccines anymore. They used to. but not anymore.


You need to find a more trustworthy authority. WHO is part of the UN which has an agenda to eliminate a proprtion of the human race. Read up and learn! Go to Children of God for Life cogforlife.org

It might also be a wise move to read this thread from beginning to end and follow up some of the arguments/links.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: mw2016 on October 06, 2016, 07:50:29 PM
Quote from: RogerThat

Vaccines are NOT made from new fetal or aborted tissue. They were in the past but not anymore. Merck, the company that makes vaccines, DOES NOT use fetal embryonic stem cells to make vaccines anymore. They used to. but not anymore.


This is patently false.

Do yourself a favor and read the article on the subject, authored by fellow Traditional Catholic, Dr. Timothy P. Collins, M.D.

https://cogforlife.org/2006/02/01/the-vaccination-question-timothy-collins-md/

Then, consult the CURRENT list of vaccinations made from aborted fetal tissue, a list maintained by Debra Vinnedge and Alan Phillips:

https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/fetalproductsall.pdf

Educate yourself:

https://cogforlife.org/prove-it/
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Steve Hanniwald on October 25, 2016, 06:20:29 AM
Quote from: RogerThat

Polio has decreased by 99% since the 80s because of vaccines. Source here  (http://www.who.int/features/qa/07/en/)

We only see outbreaks of these seriously debilitating diseases when children who aren't vaccinated come in contact with children who have the virus (like at Disneyland, Church, the grocery store, etc.). Think about it. If you have a baby and place your baby on the "child seat" of a grocery cart and if the child that sat in the seat before had the virus your child could possibly grab the virus too!
Please vaccinate your children.
Vaccines are NOT made from new fetal or aborted tissue. They were in the past but not anymore. Merck, the company that makes vaccines, DOES NOT use fetal embryonic stem cells to make vaccines anymore. They used to. but not anymore.


I research much medical literature due to the nature of the work I do for nonprofits. It is very easy to manipulate data, to fool the public. You have been fooled this way.

You should spend more time researching the financial ties and political agendas of the institutions you look to, to provide you with purported "facts." You will be more aligned with reality, if you do so. Using the brain that God gave you is part of being a devoted Catholic. Turning your head and ignoring rampant corporate and institutional corruption is what Lucifer teaches. Do not align with Lucifer.
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on October 31, 2016, 10:12:45 PM
Reposting this video dated October 31, 2016 because of the important information it contains.

If you know anyone who is pregnant, please advise them to watch this video, to view VAXXED, and to avoid any vaccines or drugs while pregnant. Too many of my friends have had their unborn baby die in the womb after tacking medications or vaccines after the doctor assured them that it was "safe and effective."
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjW2-d-QSns
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Volodymyr on December 13, 2016, 03:46:52 PM
I was forced to get a vaccine this year. I am a social worker and I work with homeless men. Our employer sprung this on us at the last second. We were told on November 9th that we had until the 23rd to get this done.

I did a little research and was told by a Naturopathic Doctor that I should ask for a mercury-free shot and request the minimum dosage allowed. I then found out to drink Bentonite Clay as this will facilitate the adsorption and absorption of chemicals from the body. I am only assuming that these people know what they are talking about.

God Bless,

Volodymyr
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Gabriella on January 12, 2017, 08:29:33 PM
Short answer: No
Title: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: MaryLee on January 31, 2017, 04:42:33 AM
I say that self-immunity is better than any vaccines.
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 29, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
Vaccines are not safe, but a recent news article shows how the courts will rule. See the link immediately below for the complete story.
http://927thevan.com/news/articles/2017/sep/29/michigan-mom-says-she-could-be-jailed-for-refusing-to-vaccinate-son-media/

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Reuters) - A Detroit mother must vaccinate her 9-year-old son by next week under a judge's order or she could go to jail, according to media reports.
Rebecca Bredow, a mother of two, told WXYZ-TV on Wednesday that she had one week to get her son vaccinated under an Oakland County judge's order as part of legal fight with her ex-husband.
"I would rather sit behind bars for standing up for what I believe in, than giving into something I strongly don't believe in," she told the station. "God forbid he were to be injured by one of the vaccines. Then what? That's what scares me."

Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on October 12, 2017, 03:28:11 PM
Here is another article.

Vaxxers want to extend the vaccination compliance rate to greater than 90%. They are searching social media such as twitter and facebook for anti-vaccine statements and collecting demographics. Thus, they know who to target. Furthermore, these Vaxxers may deny exemptions as well as demand that those seeking Driver's Licenses and Passports be up to date with all their vaccines including the annual flu shots. This includes senior citizens.

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/national-institutes-of-health-surveils-social-media-for-vaccine-beliefs/
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: budDude on December 01, 2017, 10:00:07 AM
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Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: budDude on December 01, 2017, 10:03:10 AM
Vaccine will save the life of your child.
They don't necessarily need the chickenpox virus, but vaccines against polio, measles, mumps will save your child and are NOT made from aborted fetuses. They are usually made in eggs now. Please please please speak with a professional who is well educated about this topic (an MD or a DO NOT a nurse or nurse practitioner).

“As people’s fears of the diseases abated, their concerns for the side-effects of the vaccine increased.” Peter Parham

Many of you have not seen polio or smallpox. Google them. You have internet.
We have now eradicated smallpox and polio due to vaccines.
A Common myth exposed as a Lie today.  Clean water, sanitation and quarantine were the real reason for the decline of illness.
Not innoculations full of poisons and toxic chemicals.


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Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Maria Regina on December 02, 2017, 03:26:36 PM
 My Routine Doctor Visit Turned Into A Hostage Situation Over Vaccines
 December 1, 2017 (http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2017/12/)
 (http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/my-routine-doctor-visit-turned-into-a-hostage-situation-over-vaccines/#mh-comments)
http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/my-routine-doctor-visit-turned-into-a-hostage-situation-over-vaccines/ (http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/my-routine-doctor-visit-turned-into-a-hostage-situation-over-vaccines/#mh-comments)
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My Routine Doctor Visit Turned Into A Hostage Situation Over Vaccines

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By Dana A., Natural Blaze (http://www.naturalblaze.com/)
(http://www.naturalblaze.com/)
Almost 10 years ago when my children were toddlers I took my oldest daughter who was four to Matthews Children’s Clinic in Matthews, NC for strep throat.

We had just moved to NC and I had only been to this office a few times and saw a male doctor. I believe it was on a Monday when I took my oldest in. Then about three days later my youngest daughter also came down with it. The male doctor was not available and I didn’t think it was a big deal to see a different doctor because it was to me a clear case of strep.
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The female doctor came into the exam room and asked why we were there. I told her strep and about how my oldest was just in the other day. Upon taking the throat swab she asked if I wanted to get my daughter up to date on her vaccines. I replied “not today”. That was the end of the discussion… so I thought. The doctor left the room with the swab.

Shortly after she returned with a full needle in hand… READY TO INJECT!! Open, tip not covered and full. She came into the room, shut the door, spread out in front of it BLOCKING it, and said “she’s not leaving until she’s up to date”. ...

Thank the Angels for knocking me out of it. I grabbed my phone that was sitting there and said “if you don’t let us pass I’m calling the police”.
She looked at me, huffed, turned and stormed out of the room slamming the door on her way out.

I grabbed my daughter and went to the front desk where they were already waiting to check me out. I was young and scared. I was also ashamed that we were not vaccinating back then I didn’t know anyone who wasn’t and had no support. So I thought I was alone and even though I knew I was doing the right thing for my kids I still felt ashamed by society and now this doctor. I just paid the co-pay and left.
My daughter was NOT treated for strep either. No prescription or anything. I was left humiliated and with a sick kid.

The very next day I received a letter in the mail that I had been kicked out of the practice. That fast. That is the day I became my families healer. I have never looked back. My kids have never been to a pediatrician nor western medical doctor since.
A similar situation happened to me when my child had a serious reaction to the DDP (half dose).  I was able to find an anti-vax doctor.

Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on December 05, 2017, 04:10:39 PM
Interesting way of looking at it:
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/the-occult-archetype-called-vaccination-2/

The occult archetype called vaccination (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/the-occult-archetype-called-vaccination-2/)
by Jon Rappoport (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/author/jonrappoport/)
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The occult archetype called vaccination
By Jon Rappoport
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In many past articles, I’ve taken apart the so-called science of vaccines and shown how deceptive it is. Here I take another approach: examining the archetypes and symbols that surround vaccination and give it occult power.
Begun as a crude version of homeopathy (“treat like with like”), in which a mild injected version of a disease would supposedly protect against the actual disease, vaccination soon developed into a military outpost, with the commander ordering the appearance of his scouts: antibodies. “Line up men, now hunt!”
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Today, as a revival of ancient symbology, vaccination is a conferred seal, a sign of moral righteousness. It’s a mark on the arm, signifying tribal inclusion. No tribe member is left out. Inclusion by vaccination protects against invisible spirits (viruses).
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The notion of the tribe is enforced by dire predictions of pandemics: the spirits of other tribes (from previously unknown hot zones in jungles) are attacking the good tribe, our tribe.
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Mothers, the keepers of the children, are given a way to celebrate their esteemed, symbolic, animal role as “lionesses”: confer the seal on their offspring through vaccination. Protect the future of the tribe. Speak out and defame and curse the mothers who don’t vaccinate their children. Excommunicate them from the tribe.
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The ceremony of vaccination is a rite of passage for the child. He/she is now more than the offspring of the parents. The child is in the village. The child is property of the village (the State). As the years pass, periodic booster shots reconfirm this status.
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Some ancient rituals presented dangers. The child, on his way to becoming a man, would be sent out to live alone in the forest for a brief period and survive. Vaccination symbolizes this in a passive way: the injection of disease-viruses which might be harmful are transmuted into protective spirits in the body. The injection of toxic chemicals is a passageway into immunity. If a child is damaged in the process, the parents and the tribe consider it a tragic but acceptable risk, because on the whole the tribe and the village are protected against the evil spirits (viruses).
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The psychological and occult and archetypal impact of vaccination is key: modern parents are given the opportunity to feel, on a subconscious level, a return to older times, when life was more bracing and immediate and vital. That is the mythology. Modern life, for basic consumers, has fewer dimensions---but vaccination awakens sleeping memories of an age when ritual and ceremony were essential to the future of the group. No one would defect from these moments. Refusal was unthinkable. Survival was All. The mandate was powerful. On a deep level, parents today can experience that power. It is satisfying.
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The doctor giving the injections is, of course, the priest of the tribe, the medicine man, the holder of secrets. He is the spiritual source of, and connection to, “unseen realms” where opposing spirits carry out warfare and struggle for supremacy. Without the medicine man, the tribe would disintegrate.
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The medicine man is permitted to say and do anything. He can tell lies if lies serve a noble purpose and effect greater strength of the tribe. He can manipulate language and truth and meaning. He can turn day into night. He can present paradox and contradiction. No one can question his pronouncements.
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Loyalty to the medicine man is absolute. In this regard, a rebel is exiled or destroyed.
People living today in industrial and technological societies are relatively numb. Their options and choices seem confined to a range of products they can buy. They yearn for absolutes. They want a command, from the medicine man, which taps into the adrenaline-stimulating need for, and risk to, survival.
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The demand for vaccination, along with the ever-present threat of illness and outbreak and pandemic, awakens that need and risk.
Modern parents need archetypes and symbols of demon spirits. Viruses. Ebola, Zika, West Nile, SARS, Swine Flu. These spirits are unseen. They could attack. They do attack.
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“We must go the medicine man for the ritual to protect us from the demons. He will put the seal of protection on us and our children.”
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Then there are the shameful marks, which are to be avoided in every way possible. A child who shows the rashes and swellings of illnesses is highly suspect. Did he not participate in the protective ritual? Are his parents evil? Are they possessed? Should the child and his parents be shunned? Will the medicine man help them or lay an irreversible curse on them for defecting?
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Subconsciously and archetypally, the “modern science of vaccination” is doctrine. It is alchemy. It is magic. Going against the magic is tantamount to trying to overturn the very basis of life in the tribe.
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In the extreme view, rebels are promoters of evil spirits (viruses). They are infectors. They transmit evil spirits throughout the tribe and the village. They cause people to fall ill and die. Yes, the medicine man is doing all he can to protect his people (through vaccination), but this is war. Nothing is guaranteed. The evil spirits are arrayed against the medicine man. We must help him and bolster his power and advantage. We have our role to play. He is the hero. Cling to the hero. Praise him.
In the fullness of time, do whatever we can to increase his glory. He is engaged in an occult struggle on levels we cannot hope to fathom. On our behalf. In the tribe.

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His many remedies (incomprehensible to us) are walking a fine line. Because of their power, they have risks (side effects). These risks are numerous. Every night in collective meetings (television ads), we are told of the numerous problems that could arise (ask your doctor if X is right for you). But the impact of hearing these warnings is extremely positive, because we feel the danger, and feeling the danger is what we need and want, because, again, we are in a war against the evil spirits---and the sensation of risk is preferable to feeling nothing. Give us more warnings, and let us experience a return to ancient days when we lived on the edge of extinction and knew the blood coursing through our veins was alive.
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It takes a village. We are the tribe. We are the warriors.
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The needle is the magic transmitter. The plunger of the syringe is the force. The fluid in the syringe is the alchemical transformer. Be silent in their presence. Accept their mysterious grace.
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Smedley Butler on December 22, 2017, 01:30:36 PM
No, vaccines are not safe.
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on December 31, 2017, 04:17:59 PM

Doctors questioning Gardasil
Below are just a few of the well respected Dr's who either question, or downright deny the effeciacy, need and safety of Gardasil.
There are many, many more Dr's speaking out about the dangers of the Gardasil vaccine, and we will continue to add information about them on this page
Dr Deirdre Little
Dr Little is an Australian Doctor who is questioning the efficiacy and safety of the Gardasil vaccine.  She now has three teenage clients suffering with Idiopathic Premature Ovarian Failure, following the Gardasil vaccine
Dr Littles concerns are as follows:
  • HPV DNA has now been detected in multiple vaccine vials from multiple countries in two separate studies
  • There is no female assessment of reproductive safety, either in pre-clinical (rodent) studies or in clinical studies
  • Reading of VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting systems – USA) to me as a GP suggests patterns
  • Some gastro-intestinal problems have presented as reflux and gone on to inflammatory bowel disease. Concern about Gastrointestinal complications presenting initially as reflux and progressing on to a diagnosis of inflammatory bowel disease
  • Three teenage clients with idiopathic premature menopause (and unrecordable levels of Anti-Mullerian hormone, an indicator of ovarian reserve) developing after Human papilloma virus vaccination have presented to her practice
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Some very worrying information from Dr Little herself:
"In my work, published in the British medical Journal, I applied under FOI (Freedom of Information) for Pre-clinical studies on rodents regarding histology of reproductive organs of vaccine tested female rats...
There were none. 
There were also no studies of their subsequent fertility, ie how many baby rats did they have in subsequent litters? How many litters did they subsequently have etc.
Nil available.
The FOI reference is listed in the work I had published in the British Medical Journal (http://u.b5z.net/i/u/16000121/f/Author_Little_DT_Response_to_4th_Brighton_Collaboration_Journal_Club.pdf)
The FOI identification number is not shown on the TGA website because Merck Sharp and Dohme said my application was commercially sensitive.  I have documentation of this from Luke Hartsuyker, our local MP"
 
Below are some excellent reports in relation to Gardasil, and Dr Littles plight to question the safety and efficiecy of this vaccine. 
Article 1 - Response to the fourth Brighton Collaboration Journal Club reviews on BMJ case presentation by Dr Little and Dr Ward (http://u.b5z.net/i/u/16000121/f/Author_Little_DT_Response_to_4th_Brighton_Collaboration_Journal_Club.pdf)
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http://www.mygardasilstory.com/dr-s-against-gardasil
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: MaterDominici on January 29, 2018, 01:37:04 AM
It's all been said in this thread, but here's a good, short summary of the problems with vaccinating your children.

http://deeprootsathome.com/parents-vaccinate/
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: noOneImportant on January 29, 2018, 07:51:12 PM
The chart in #5 of that article is basically "how to make a deceptive graph"-101. 

Here is a blown up version of the Polio chart from there (Polio deaths per year, data from CDC same as the article you linked)

(https://vaccines.procon.org/files/1-vaccines-images/polio-deaths-1950-2013.PNG)


And sure, if you look at that, the vaccine looks unrelated to the decline of Polio. Now let's look at another chart, from the same exact data source.

(http://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/7f2446096d9ddae1d412adfcd9a3b717.jpg)

And that looks a little different. There was a drop in 53, an uptick in 54, and a sharp drop after that. The data is clearly noisy, but you get the point. It's easy to cherrypick data to push an agenda, but there are dozens of examples of countries that began mass vaccination against specific diseases and eradicated them very quickly. For example (Polio again, in Italy):

(http://scielo.isciii.es/img/revistas/dyn/v32n2/04f01.jpg)


There are plenty of valid reasons to argue that the full modern vaccine program is excessive and partly unnecessary, but there is NO legitimate way to argue that vaccines are not a valid and extremely effective way to combat some diseases, and to do so is to spit in the face of one of the most tremendous accomplishments of the medical profession.
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on January 29, 2018, 09:20:51 PM
Pretty graphs, NoOneImportant. 

The drop in Polio cases was more related to the redefinition of polio by the US government in 1955.


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According to Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Department of Biostatistics of the University of North Carolina School of Public Health:
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In order to qualify for classification as paralytic poliomyelitis, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for at least 60 days after the onset of the disease. Prior to 1954, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for only 24 hours. Laboratory confirmation and the presence of residual paralysis were not required. After 1954, residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days and again 50 to 70 days after the onset of the disease. This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer lasting paralysis.1 (http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/#_edn1)
As I wrote in my piece “The Salk ‘Miracle’ Myth (http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/06/the-salk-miracle-myth/)“…
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Under the new definition of polio, thousands of cases which would have previously been counted as polio would no longer be counted as polio. The change in the definition laid the groundwork for creating the impression that the Salk vaccine was effective.4 (http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/#_edn4) 
http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on January 29, 2018, 09:33:59 PM
Oh, and this: https://vactruth.com/2015/07/05/cdc-made-polio-disappear/

The CDC Made These Two Radical Changes and 30,000 Diagnoses of Polio Instantly Disappeared
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: noOneImportant on January 29, 2018, 11:56:13 PM
There's always another excuse... I clearly demonstrated that the article above was deliberately misleading, and now the story changes...

Leaving aside the fact that I can find NO evidence of the supposed redefinition of Polio, that still doesn't explain the multiple other countries that show similar trends after the vaccine was systematically introduced, some long after 1955 (see Italy graph in my previous post). 

But no, it must have been a conspiracy by those pesky big-pharma companies. Let it never be said that any doctor not peddling herbal remedies might have actually contributed something to humanity.
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Nadir on February 19, 2018, 02:57:39 AM
Leaving aside the fact that I can find NO evidence of the supposed redefinition of Polio,
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 Let it never be said that any doctor not peddling herbal remedies might have actually contributed something to humanity.
What relevance have herbal remedies to the present topic? You cannot have looked too hard for the evidence of the redefinition of Polio. Are you in the pay of the pharmaceutical industry?

The following article contains a link to the original “Present Status of Polio Vaccines” report by Dr. Herbert Ratner (published 1960). Very interesting, in looking it over, that it admits both polio and infectious hepatitis were already “in a natural decline” at the time the Salk vaccine was introduced:
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The CDC, polio and the false history of vaccines …
 http://www.naturalnews.com/050742_medical_history_CDC_polio.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/050742_medical_history_CDC_polio.html)

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The following is from “The Vaccine Guide” by Randall Neustaedter:
Dr. Bernard Greenberg, a biostatistics expert, was chairman of the Committee on Evaluation and Standards of the American Public Health Association during the 1950s. He testified at a panel discussion that was used as evidence for the congressional hearings on polio vaccine in 1962. During these hearings he elaborated on the problems associated with polio statistics and disputed claims for the vaccine’s effectiveness. He attributed the dramatic decline in polio cases to a change in reporting practices by physicians. Less cases were identified as polio after the vaccination for very specific reasons.
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“Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidizing the cost of hospitalization and was being community-minded in reporting a communicable disease. The criterion of diagnosis at that time in most health departments followed the World Health Organization definition: “Spinal paralytic poliomyelitis: signs and symptoms of nonparalytic poliomyelitis with the addition of partial or complete paralysis of one or more muscle groups, detected on two examinations at least 24 hours apart.”
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Note that “two examinations at least 24 hours apart” was all that was required. Laboratory confirmation and presence of residual paralysis was not required.
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In 1955 the criteria were changed to conform more closely to the definition used in the 1954 field trials: residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days after onset of illness and again 50 to 70 days after onset….
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This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer-lasting paralysis.
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Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be refined. Coxsackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from paralytic poliomyelitis. .
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Prior to 1954 large numbers of these cases undoubtedly were mislabeled as paralytic poliomyelitis. Thus, simply by changes in diagnostic criteria, the number of paralytic cases was predetermined to decrease in 1955-1957, whether or not any vaccine was used.
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Check out the book Dissolving Illusions by Dr. Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk. Chapter 12 is The “Disappearance” of Polio.

You can order it through through CathInfo.

 
Title: Greater cervical cancer risk linked to HPV vaccines
Post by: Maria Regina on July 02, 2018, 01:58:57 AM

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Greater cervical cancer risk linked to HPV vaccination, well-regarded medical journal removes new study

Posted by: Lori Alton, staff writer  (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/author/lori-alton/)in Food News (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/category/food-news/) June 30, 2018


(Naturalhealth365 (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/)) Human papillomavirus, the most common sexually transmitted disease, usually resolves on its own. In rare cases, however, HPV leads to cervical cancer. HPV vaccines, such as Gardasil, are touted by many mainstream medical authorities as a way to prevent cervical cancer. But, could the vaccination actually be having the opposite effect (https://ijme.in/articles/increased-incidence-of-cervical-cancer-in-sweden-possible-link-with-hpv-vaccination/)?

A new study raising just this possibility was recently published in a well-regarded medical journal. Soon after, it was officially retracted by the journal’s editors – because the author, fearing repercussions from those opposed to any questioning of vaccines, used a pseudonym.

Age-standardized incidence of cervical cancer in Sweden increased by 20 percent during 2014 and 2015

In an article published April 30, 2018 in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics (IJME), the author (who identified himself as Lars Andersson, of the Department of Physiology and Pharmacology at the prestigious Karolinska Institute in Sweden) pointed out that the Centre for Cervical Cancer Prevention in Sweden had noted in its annual report that there had been a substantial increase in incidence of invasive cervical cancer – especially during 2014 and 2015.

The increase was shown to be most prominent among women aged 20 to 49 years, who were of an age to have received the HPV vaccinations.

HPV vaccines (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-2245.html) were approved in Sweden in 2006 and 2007. Andersson notes that about 80 percent of the 12-year-old girls in Sweden were vaccinated in 2010, while 59 percent of 13- to 18-year-old girls were vaccinated through a “catch-up” program.

In addition to suggesting that increased HPV vaccination rates were associated with an increase in cervical cancer, Andersson maintained that a U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) analysis of Gardasil (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/side-effects-of-gardasil-shot-vaccine-dangers-1349.html) in 2006 showed a higher risk of “premalignant cell changes” from the vaccine in certain groups that had been exposed to some HPV strains.

After the article’s publication, however, there followed a somewhat whiplash-inducing chain of events.

Journal editors confirm: Author faced possible repercussions

A week after publication, the IJME editors removed any mention of the Karolinska Institute from Andersson’s article.

In a published comment, the editors stated that they had made the deletion after being informed by the Institute that no one by the name of “Lars Andersson” worked there.

At this point, the author had proceeded to make his real name known to the editors – under the premise of confidentiality.

The editors stated that they had confirmed that the author had the “necessary qualifications, expertise and research experience” required for the article. They also confirmed that the author did, indeed, face a “credible threat of harm.”

In addition, they reconfirmed the article’s conclusion – that there was “a possible association of the HPV vaccine with increased incidence of carcinoma cervix.” They also agreed with the author that more research is needed.

The editors decided to retain the article.

At this point, the entire editorial board – and other interested parties – began to second-guess the decision and questioned the wisdom of allowing the article to stand.

Ultimately, the editors decided against tolerating the authorial deception – although they still assess the article as correct. On May 8, 2018, the IJME retracted the article, while continuing to call for more exploration on the article’s subject.

Undeniable truth: Cervical cancer prevention vaccines are linked to harm

Natural health experts say that human papillomavirus vaccines such as Gardasil and Gardasil 9 have been linked with a variety of adverse and potentially devastating effects, including premature menopause, severe ulcers, infertility, chronic pain and paralysis.

Even the manufacturers acknowledge that Gardasil can cause redness, swelling and pain at the injection site, along with nausea and vomiting.

Moreover, Gardasil and Gardasil 9 both contain aluminum as an adjuvant, or additional ingredient intended to make the vaccine more effective. Aluminum is a proven neurotoxin (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/cancer-prevention-hpv-2450.html), with more than 1,600 peer-reviewed scientific documents attesting to its hazards.

As if this weren’t alarming enough, HPV vaccines also contain polysorbate 80 – which is known to cause encephalitis, anaphylactic reactions and multiple sclerosis.

Vaccine proponents say that there is ‘solid evidence’ that the HPV vaccine reduces the risk of precancerous and cancerous lesions in women. On the other side of the debate, critics point to adverse effects and possible increased cancer risk.

So, while the controversy continues to rage, educating yourself as to the possible risks and benefits of vaccination clearly remains the best policy. In addition, no doubt, a trusted and knowledgeable integrative doctor can help you make an informed decision.
Please visit: https://www.naturalhealth365.com/cervical-cancer-HPV-vaccine-2613.html
for references and for the original article.
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on July 02, 2018, 05:29:35 AM
It would be interesting to see the stock portfolios of local politicians and those in DC.  Who has Big Pharma stock?   
Title: Parents to be fined $730 a year for not vaccinating their children
Post by: Maria Regina on July 05, 2018, 10:35:47 AM
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Parents to be fined $730 a year for not vaccinating their children

Posted By: Vaxxter Staff (https://vaxxter.com/author/helensco/) 07/05/2018

 
 The push for mandatory vaccinations is coming from all directions these days. As more and more communities reject the idea of mandated medical treatments, the government’s long arm grows.

No place on earth is more egregiously in violation of parental rights than Australia. In fact, now the country wants to charge parents an annual fine of $730 for passing on vaccinations. The payments would be taken directly from family tax benefits paychecks. Children with medical exemptions would exclude their parents from the hefty fines, but otherwise, all Australians would be subject to fines for choosing not to get some or all required vaccines.

This is another extension of the Federal Government’s ‘No Jab, No Pay’ program, the controversial program that serves to cut off families who don’t vaccinate their children from government benefits.

The annual $730 would be taken out over the course of the year and serve as a “constant reminder” for vaccinations

‘Parents who don’t immunise their children are putting their own kids at risk as well as the children of other people,’ Minister for Social Services Dan Tehan said, news.com.au (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/babies/parents-who-refuse-to-vaccinate-will-be-docked-money-from-their-family-tax-benefit-from-today/news-story/9d091a5d6ec0b0f597a385adb9f25c7d) reported.

It is believed that the government is using this fine to take on parents who are now moving their children to private childcare centers that don’t require vaccines. It is also safe to conclude that this is part of growing fascism and potentially, profiteering on the backs of lower and middle-class families. Make no mistake about it, this is fascism. While the country of Australia continues to be seduced by liberalism, the government is steadily moving towards a completely authoritarian concept. The country banned guns decades ago, so it isn’t likely to experience much friction from citizens over the matter.

https://vaxxter.com/parents-to-be-fined-730-a-year-for-not-vaccinating-their-children/
Title: Re: Parents to be fined $730 a year for not vaccinating their children
Post by: TxTrad on July 05, 2018, 11:02:00 AM
https://vaxxter.com/parents-to-be-fined-730-a-year-for-not-vaccinating-their-children/
The solution?  Get a medical exemption letter from an M.D.   Some letters are valid for only one year and some are valid for LIFE, Depending on the wording, so Check the wording requirements before asking the doctor.  I handed our doctor the letter I wanted her to sign, and She did.
Title: Re: Are vaccines safe?
Post by: monka966 on July 05, 2018, 11:41:26 AM
An interesting video about the HPV vaccine:

https://gloria.tv/video/oq1gYnrpFqC331cLqwKWbUeUa