By 'professionals' I don't mean watching a couple of onlione videos or shoosing the odd site here and there to suit your line of thinking.
2) friends of mine ask me what information I have with regards to the use of the rogam shot during pregnancy and also information on immunizations and I have nothing to give them,Quote
Actually that is not true, the problem is that ALL I have to give them is the conditioning that I have received compliments of western medicine, i.e. that "immunizations prevent life threatening diseases," "without them there would be massive pandemics of small pox, chicken pox, scarlet fever, polio, etc..." and "doctors know best always do what the doctor says." Now, if this is the only information that you have to give and a close friend needs help trying to make an informed decision, it isn't exactly fair to just regurgitate to them the same conditioned response that you received. At least this way I can honestly say for myself and them, here is what I believe and why.
I saw in the "Introduction" section that Jehanne had three children with autism. I wonder if they were vaccinated or if he attributes this to vaccination.
What do you mean that they are not effective? I have not seen any evidence of this, except for the need for a booster as an adult.
I just found that out and was sickened. That some vaccines are made with substances from aborted foetuses!!!
How can you tell which are, do you know?
Also the same with skin creams, etc?
In the case of two major cell lines, they were derived from fetuses that were infected with Rubella, which is nearly always fatal to unborn children. In fact, this is the reason we vaccinate for Rubella, not because you or I cannot handle it (or even kids) but because a pregnant woman's fetus that gets infected with Rubella will almost certainly die.
Secondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened...
Quote from: IuvenalisSecondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened...
Does that never happen with vaccinations?
Quote from: clareQuote from: IuvenalisSecondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened...
Does that never happen with vaccinations?
I am quite certain you do not understand the point I made at all.
...conferring immunity is an imperfect thing, people make a bigger deal of of it than they probably should.
What about when your children are required to have them to attend a public school? My nephew just turned 5 yesterday.
Well here I know that they can't attend day care if they don't, which is the issiue I ran into. I am not sure what Private schools policy is, do they require all of them also?
Our granddaughter is in the hospital. Diarrhea and vomiting and fever low 101 not too bad. But she is 6 months old and had the 3rd shot Oct 12 and she was admitted Oct 24. It is hard to convince our daughter and son-in-law to educate themselves before doing this. The pediatrics are saying a stomach flu and I don't buy it. We just had a family get together Oct 23 and everyone is healthy, no one shows illness. Our granddaughter is not in day care. She stays at home with grandmas, when needed. But anyone who wants to share their thoughts on the dangers of vaccines, and I would like to hear how long it takes from shot to reactions. I can not recall myself, but I certainly pointed my fingers there and vowed I would warn and educate our children for their babies. Our daughter is the youngest of 4. She has seen her sisters have babies before her with so far no problems as she can see. BUT no one should take chances and wait to see the results that could be even death! Songbird
Thank you Myrna. Add to this post. Our granddaughter had 2 hours of seizures! She is back in ICU. The doctor listened to my one sentence, "Thank you for not overlooking baby shots." The doctor looked at the parents and asked, who, what, when where and why! My daugther and son-in-law said , we will hold off her shots from now on! The readers should know, this 6 month old baby was never in day care, not around sickness. Was never sick, and the fever of 101 was down. She was doing very well yesterday and this morning there was talk of the baby going home. For the seizure being a sudden surprise, and for so long we were blessed to be in the hospital and for quick response to her needs. Believe me, all of this is not worth the shots! The baby is now getting an MRI which will be and hour and a half. We had so many tears and so many prayers and we thank you for them! Songbird
My own children aged now 2 and 1 years old were somewhat different to each other when it came to vaccinations.
I can only speak for myself here and also what I have seen as a former childcare worker-
our son was fully vaccinated for his first year. However, in this time he suffered severe conjutivitis after his 1st vaccination, his 2nd vaccination at 6 weeks cause conjunctivitis AGAIN and a minor- moderate flu symptoms- with his 4 month vaccination (the same vaccination as the 2nd vaccination-2 month vaccination) he ended up in hospital for a whole week hooked up to tubes fighting to survive with Bronchiolitis apparently the result of the vaccination but supposedly chances of this happening are low- though do happen. Since then has had asthma caused by the bronchiolitis and also got bronchiolits 6 more times by the end of his first year- he had a bad immune system also. We didnt take him to have anymore vaccinations after his 12 month shot and his immune system has picked up BIG TIME, he is a healthy happy boy and his asthma is now almost non-existant. Our 2nd child had her in hospital vaccination which made her EXTREMLY irritable and fussy- she would SCREAM almost 24/7 and she would rarely sleep unless she was with us- this caused some difficulty as you can imagine- we sought help and were told she was a high dependancy baby who will eventually grow out of it but babies like her usually can be un-consollable and its best to either sleep in her room with her or have her in our room with us because no amount of sleep training would solve the issue- apparently babies with such issue usually have to GROW out of it. She did by the age of about 4-5 months and was in her own cot in her own room sleeping through the night.
Then by her 2 month vaccination (2nd vaccination) she had this and went from perfectly healthy to in hospital having mucas cleared from her airways so she could breath within 24 hours of her vaccination (the same one our son got bad flu like symptoms with and then bronchiolitis with the 4 month one) .
So we didnt take her to have another vaccination.
And you know what she has had only 2 vaccinations out of the several within the first year and she is the HEALTHIEST person in our house even our family (that includes our parents and siblings who are fully vaccinated- yet despite vaccination managed to catch things like whooping cough) she rarely gets anything and when she does she has it for 24-48 hours and its gone just like that. Her 12 month health check and my sons 2 year health check(both NOT UP TO DATE with vaccinations and are NOT HAVING THEM) are in perfect health- developing perfectly in fact the are ABOVE average including my daughter (who ONLY had the 2 vaccinations) who is also HUGELY above average in height and weight for her age- already close to the size of her brother who is also slightly above average in size and he is 13 months (over a year) older than her.
We have also been exposed to things like whooping cough (by vaccinated people mind you) etc where the moment we found out about the exposure we got antibiotics straight away and then quarantined ourselves for the incubation and contagious periods but so far no dramas at all.
So nothing bad for us so far from stopping vaccination if anything BIG improvements on all boards.
On my experience as a former childcare worker with 5years experience in the industry I have NEVER worked in a centre that had a child that was not vaccinated or not up to date with vaccinations yet children at the centres still managed to get and spread these vaccination preventable diseases amongst other things despite good hygiene practices done by the centres and also proper exclusion periods in place.
Good luck though
Teenage Girl Becomes Infertile after Gardasil Vaccination http://www.pop.org/content/teenage-girl-becomes-infertile-after-gardasil-vaccination
See also Premature ovarian failure 3 years after menarche in a 16-year-old girl following human papillomavirus vaccination,
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2012/bcr-2012-006879.abstract
What about the flu vaccine that's now being promoted? Is that going to be safe?
Vaccines made of aborted fetues are sinful to use. if you ask for the source I will give you.
and "vatican accepts/allows them" is not a valid argument, because vatican allows gay parade, islamism and pan religious worship too!
Quote from: spouse of JesusVaccines made of aborted fetues are sinful to use. if you ask for the source I will give you.
and "vatican accepts/allows them" is not a valid argument, because vatican allows gay parade, islamism and pan religious worship too!
@spouse of Jesus The Holy See allows these abominations? No, it can't be true. Are you just kidding? It means that if there's not an ethical alternative, then you need to decide to whether to get your child vaccinated or not.
I had received the smallpox vaccine when I was about 6, the measles vaccine and polio oral vaccine around that time period as well, and nothing negative happened to me. Maybe the vaccine ingredients have changed since the late 60s, causing more problems with recipients than they did years ago.
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I am sure there are, Nadir - a lot of people have adverse reactions due to allergies/hypersensitivity. That is really sad to hear about those two teenage girls having such a horrible reaction to the Guadasil vaccinations. No drug or vaccination is 100% side-effect free.
What? Vaccination as a population control method? I didn't hear about it. If it turns out that these vaccines contain a sterilizing agent, then they should be banned.
Allegedly, Bill Gates said that vaccines are used for depopulation. He is the founder of Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which cares for sick children. I think that he should care more with the foundation and less about the gay agenda and Agenda 21.An excellent site on this topic is: http://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineinfo.htm
Is it true that the method for the aborted rubella vaccine was supported by the Church?This is Angel Rodríguez Luño's opinion; he is Professor of Fundamental Moral Theology, Pontifical University of the Holy Cross, Rome. Read his Medicina e Morale article "Moral Reflections on Vaccines Prepared From Cells Derived From Aborted Human Foetuses (http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/doc/doc_40vaccinesfoetuses.html)."
No more flu vaccinations for me. This is the best I have ever felt. Not once did I get sick this year. Everytime I had the flu shot I would be sick very sick...The flu shots aren't tainted with aborted fetal cell DNA, that I know of…
i strongly suggest supplementing your children with a good vitamin c product..and ofcourse don't take any vaccines
My son developed profound autism within one month of having received his vaccines.
He was normal before them, and ruined after them.
Either that is the most amazing coincidence (testified to by so many others with exactly the same before/after experience), or there is something to it.
After this tragedy, we refused vaccines to our other children, and they have had no problems.
My oldest son developed profound autism within one month of having received his vaccines.
He was normal before them, and ruined after them.
Either that is the most amazing coincidence (testified to by so many others with exactly the same before/after experience), or there is something to it.
After this tragedy, we refused vaccines to our other children, and they have had no problems.
PS: Because the MMR (and other) vaccines in the USA are manufactured with abortive fetal matter, I have often wondered whether the rise in autism is a scourge and punishment from God for this fiendish practice; something which comes very close to cannibalism.
Quote from: SeanJohnsonMy oldest son developed profound autism within one month of having received his vaccines.
He was normal before them, and ruined after them.
Either that is the most amazing coincidence (testified to by so many others with exactly the same before/after experience), or there is something to it.
After this tragedy, we refused vaccines to our other children, and they have had no problems.
PS: Because the MMR (and other) vaccines in the USA are manufactured with abortive fetal matter, I have often wondered whether the rise in autism is a scourge and punishment from God for this fiendish practice; something which comes very close to cannibalism.
Sean,
I am very sorry to hear about your son. I will pray for him.
The little girl who lived next door to me died from the chicken pox.
Then there is the problem of aborted fetus, that surely is against Catholic teachings.
Moral Reflections on Vaccines Prepared from Cells Derived from Aborted Human Foetuses
The matter in question regards the lawfulness of production, distribution and use of certain vaccines whose production is connected with acts of procured abortion. It concerns vaccines containing live viruses which have been prepared from human cell lines of foetal origin, using tissues from aborted human foetuses as a source of such cells. The best known, and perhaps the most important due to its vast distribution and its use on an almost universal level, is the vaccine against Rubella (German measles).
Rubella and its vaccine
Rubella (German measles)1 is a viral illness caused by a Togavirus of the genus Rubivirus and is characterized by a maculopapular rash. It consists of an infection which is common in infancy and has no clinical manifestations in one case out of two, is self-limiting and usually benign. Nonetheless, the German measles virus is one of the most pathological infective agents for the embryo and foetus. When a woman catches the infection during pregnancy, especially during the first trimester, the risk of foetal infection is very high (approximately 95%). The virus replicates itself in the placenta and infects the foetus, causing the constellation of abnormalities denoted by the name of Congenital Rubella Syndrome. For example, the severe epidemic of German measles which affected a huge part of the United States in 1964 thus caused 20,000 cases of congenital rubella2, resulting in 11,250 abortions (spontaneous or surgical), 2,100 neonatal deaths, 11,600 cases of deafness, 3,580 cases of blindness, 1,800 cases of mental retardation. It was this epidemic that pushed for the development and introduction on the market of an effective vaccine against rubella, thus permitting an effective prophylaxis against this infection.
The severity of congenital rubella and the handicaps which it causes justify systematic vaccination against such a sickness. It is very difficult, perhaps even impossible, to avoid the infection of a pregnant woman, even if the rubella infection of a person in contact with this woman is diagnosed from the first day of the eruption of the rash. Therefore, one tries to prevent transmission by suppressing the reservoir of infection among children who have not been vaccinated, by means of early immunization of all children (universal vaccination). Universal vaccination has resulted in a considerable fall in the incidence of congenital rubella, with a general incidence reduced to less than 5 cases per 100,000 livebirths. Nevertheless, this progress remains fragile. In the United States, for example, after an overwhelming reduction in the number of cases of congenital rubella to only a few cases annually, i.e. less than 0.1 per 100,000 live births, a new epidemic wave came on in 1991, with an incidence that rose to 0.8/100,000. Such waves of resurgence of German measles were also seen in 1997 and in the year 2000. These periodic episodes of resurgence make it evident that there is a persistent circulation of the virus among young adults, which is the consequence of insufficient vaccination coverage. The latter situation allows a significant proportion of vulnerable subjects to persist, who are a source of periodic epidemics which put women in the fertile age group who have not been immunized at risk. Therefore, the reduction to the point of eliminating congenital rubella is considered a priority in public health care.
Vaccines currently produced using human cell lines that come from aborted foetuses
To date, there are two human diploid cell lines which were originally prepared from tissues of aborted foetuses ( in 1964 and 1970) and are used for the preparation of vaccines based on live attenuated virus: the first one is the WI-38 line (Winstar Institute 38), with human diploid lung fibroblasts, coming from a female foetus that was aborted because the family felt they had too many children (G. Sven et al., 1969). It was prepared and developed by Leonard Hayflick in 1964 (L. Hayflick, 1965; G. Sven et al., 1969)3 and bears the ATCC number CCL-75. WI-38 has been used for the preparation of the historical vaccine RA 27/3 against rubella (S.A. Plotkin et al, 1965)4. The second human cell line is MRC-5 (Medical Research Council 5) (human, lung, embryonic) (ATCC number CCL-171), with human lung fibroblasts coming from a 14 week male foetus aborted for "psychiatric reasons" from a 27 year old woman in the UK. MRC-5 was prepared and developed by J.P. Jacobs in 1966 (J.P. Jacobs et al, 1970)5. Other human cell lines have been developed for pharmaceutical needs, but are not involved in the vaccines actually available6.
The vaccines that are incriminated today as using human cell lines from aborted foetuses, WI-38 and MRC-5, are the following:7
A) Live vaccines against rubella8:
• the monovalent vaccines against rubella Meruvax®!! (Merck) (U.S.), Rudivax® (Sanofi Pasteur, Fr.), and Ervevax® (RA 27/3) (GlaxoSmithKline, Belgium);
• the combined vaccine MR against rubella and measles, commercialized with the name of M-R-VAX® (Merck, US) and Rudi-Rouvax® (AVP, France);
• the combined vaccine against rubella and mumps marketed under the name of Biavax®!! (Merck, U.S.),
• the combined vaccine MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) against rubella, mumps and measles, marketed under the name of M-M-R® II (Merck, US), R.O.R.®, Trimovax® (Sanofi Pasteur, Fr.), and Priorix® (GlaxoSmithKline UK).
B) Other vaccines, also prepared using human cell lines from aborted foetuses:
• two vaccines against hepatitis A, one produced by Merck (VAQTA), the other one produced by GlaxoSmithKline (HAVRIX), both of them being prepared using MRC-5;
• one vaccine against chicken pox, Varivax®, produced by Merck using WI-38 and MRC-5;
• one vaccine against poliomyelitis, the inactivated polio virus vaccine Poliovax® (Aventis-Pasteur, Fr.) using MRC-5;
• one vaccine against rabies, Imovax®, produced by Aventis Pasteur, harvested from infected human diploid cells, MRC-5 strain;
• one vaccine against smallpox, AC AM 1000, prepared by Acambis using MRC-5, still on trial.
The position of the ethical problem related to these vaccines
From the point of view of prevention of viral diseases such as German measles, mumps, measles, chicken pox and hepatitis A, it is clear that the making of effective vaccines against diseases such as these, as well as their use in the fight against these infections, up to the point of eradication, by means of an obligatory vaccination of all the population at risk, undoubtedly represents a "milestone" in the secular fight of man against infective and contagious diseases.
However, as the same vaccines are prepared from viruses taken from the tissues of foetuses that had been infected and voluntarily aborted, and the viruses were subsequently attenuated and cultivated from human cell lines which come likewise from procured abortions, they do not cease to pose ethical problems. The need to articulate a moral reflection on the matter in question arises mainly from the connection which exists between the vaccines mentioned above and the procured abortions from which biological material necessary for their preparation was obtained.
If someone rejects every form of voluntary abortion of human foetuses, would such a person not contradict himself/herself by allowing the use of these vaccines of live attenuated viruses on their children? Would it not be a matter of true (and illicit) cooperation in evil, even though this evil was carried out forty years ago?
Before proceeding to consider this specific case, we need to recall briefly the principles assumed in classical moral doctrine with regard to the problem of cooperation in evil9, a problem which arises every time that a moral agent perceives the existence of a link between his own acts and a morally evil action carried out by others.
The principle of licit cooperation in evil
The first fundamental distinction to be made is that between formal and material cooperation. Formal cooperation is carried out when the moral agent cooperates with the immoral action of another person, sharing in the latter's evil intention. On the other hand, when a moral agent cooperates with the immoral action of another person, without sharing his/her evil intention, it is a case of material cooperation.
Material cooperation can be further divided into categories of immediate (direct) and mediate (indirect), depending on whether the cooperation is in the execution of the sinful action per se, or whether the agent acts by fulfilling the conditions — either by providing instruments or products — which make it possible to commit the immoral act. Furthermore, forms of proximate cooperation and remote cooperation can be distinguished, in relation to the "distance" (be it in terms of temporal space or material connection) between the act of cooperation and the sinful act committed by someone else. Immediate material cooperation is always proximate, while mediate material cooperation can be either proximate or remote.
Formal cooperation is always morally illicit because it represents a form of direct and intentional participation in the sinful action of another person.10 Material cooperation can sometimes be illicit (depending on the conditions of the "double effect" or "indirect voluntary" action), but when immediate material cooperation concerns grave attacks on human life, it is always to be considered illicit, given the precious nature of the value in question11.
A further distinction made in classical morality is that between active (or positive) cooperation in evil and passive (or negative) cooperation in evil, the former referring to the performance of an act of cooperation in a sinful action that is carried out by another person, while the latter refers to the omission of an act of denunciation or impediment of a sinful action carried out by another person, insomuch as there was a moral duty to do that which was omitted 12. Passive cooperation can also be formal or material, immediate or mediate, proximate or remote. Obviously, every type of formal passive cooperation is to be considered illicit, but even passive material cooperation should generally be avoided, although it is admitted (by many authors) that there is not a rigorous obligation to avoid it in a case in which it would be greatly difficult to do so.
Application to the use of vaccines prepared from cells coming from embryos or foetuses aborted voluntarily
In the specific case under examination, there are three categories of people who are involved in the cooperation in evil, evil which is obviously represented by the action of a voluntary abortion performed by others: a) those who prepare the vaccines using human cell lines coming from voluntary abortions; b) those who participate in the mass marketing of such vaccines; c) those who need to use them for health reasons.
Firstly, one must consider morally illicit every form of formal cooperation (sharing the evil intention) in the action of those who have performed a voluntary abortion, which in turn has allowed the retrieval of foetal tissues, required for the preparation of vaccines. Therefore, whoever — regardless of the category to which he belongs — cooperates in some way, sharing its intention, to the performance of a voluntary abortion with the aim of producing the above-mentioned vaccines, participates, in actuality, in the same moral evil as the person who has performed that abortion. Such participation would also take place in the case where someone, sharing the intention of the abortion, refrains from denouncing or criticizing this illicit action, although having the moral duty to do so (passive formal cooperation).
In a case where there is no such formal sharing of the immoral intention of the person who has performed the abortion, any form of cooperation would be material, with the following specifications.
As regards the preparation, distribution and marketing of vaccines produced as a result of the use of biological material whose origin is connected with cells coming from foetuses voluntarily aborted, such a process is stated, as a matter of principle, morally illicit, because it could contribute in encouraging the performance of other voluntary abortions, with the purpose of the production of such vaccines. Nevertheless, it should be recognized that, within the chain of production-distribution-marketing, the various cooperating agents can have different moral responsibilities.
However, there is another aspect to be considered, and that is the form of passive material cooperation which would be carried out by the producers of these vaccines, if they do not denounce and reject publicly the original immoral act (the voluntary abortion), and if they do not dedicate themselves together to research and promote alternative ways, exempt from moral evil, for the production of vaccines for the same infections. Such passive material cooperation, if it should occur, is equally illicit.
As regards those who need to use such vaccines for reasons of health, it must be emphasized that, apart from every form of formal cooperation, in general, doctors or parents who resort to the use of these vaccines for their children, in spite of knowing their origin (voluntary abortion), carry out a form of very remote mediate material cooperation, and thus very mild, in the performance of the original act of abortion, and a mediate material cooperation, with regard to the marketing of cells coming from abortions, and immediate, with regard to the marketing of vaccines produced with such cells. The cooperation is therefore more intense on the part of the authorities and national health systems that accept the use of the vaccines.
However, in this situation, the aspect of passive cooperation is that which stands out most. It is up to the faithful and citizens of upright conscience (fathers of families, doctors, etc.) to oppose, even by making an objection of conscience, the ever more widespread attacks against life and the "culture of death" which underlies them. From this point of view, the use of vaccines whose production is connected with procured abortion constitutes at least a mediate remote passive material cooperation to the abortion, and an immediate passive material cooperation with regard to their marketing. Furthermore, on a cultural level, the use of such vaccines contributes in the creation of a generalized social consensus to the operation of the pharmaceutical industries which produce them in an immoral way.
Therefore, doctors and fathers of families have a duty to take recourse to alternative vaccines13 (if they exist), putting pressure on the political authorities and health systems so that other vaccines without moral problems become available. They should take recourse, if necessary, to the use of conscientious objection14 with regard to the use of vaccines produced by means of cell lines of aborted human foetal origin. Equally, they should oppose by all means (in writing, through the various associations, mass media, etc.) the vaccines which do not yet have morally acceptable alternatives, creating pressure so that alternative vaccines are prepared, which are not connected with the abortion of a human foetus, and requesting rigorous legal control of the pharmaceutical industry producers.
As regards the diseases against which there are no alternative vaccines which are available and ethically acceptable, it is right to abstain from using these vaccines if it can be done without causing children, and indirectly the population as a whole, to undergo significant risks to their health. However, if the latter are exposed to considerable dangers to their health, vaccines with moral problems pertaining to them may also be used on a temporary basis. The moral reason is that the duty to avoid passive material cooperation is not obligatory if there is grave inconvenience. Moreover, we find, in such a case, a. proportional reason, in order to accept the use of these vaccines in the presence of the danger of favouring the spread of the pathological agent, due to the lack of vaccination of children. This is particularly true in the case of vaccination against German measles15.
In any case, there remains a moral duty to continue to fight and to employ every lawful means in order to make life difficult for the pharmaceutical industries which act unscrupulously and unethically. However, the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population — especially with regard to pregnant women.
To summarize, it must be confirmed that:
•there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems;
• as regards the vaccines without an alternative, the need to contest so that others may be prepared must be reaffirmed, as should be the lawfulness of using the former in the meantime insomuch as is necessary in order to avoid a serious risk not only for one's own children but also, and perhaps more specifically, for the health conditions of the population as a whole — especially for pregnant women;
• the lawfulness of the use of these vaccines should not be misinterpreted as a declaration of the lawfulness of their production, marketing and use, but is to be understood as being a passive material cooperation and, in its mildest and remotest sense, also active, morally justified as an extrema ratio due to the necessity to provide for the good of one's children and of the people who come in contact with the children (pregnant women);
• such cooperation occurs in a context of moral coercion of the conscience of parents, who are forced to choose to act against their conscience or otherwise, to put the health of their children and of the population as a whole at risk.
This is an unjust alternative choice, which must be eliminated as soon as possible.
Pbax, The Angelus February 2006 has a 19 page cover feature The Vaccination Question.
@Petertherock It could be useful in your case, but what about children and teens? What they should do to avoid the shot?
Oh, I know:
:pc: -You can't get the flu if you stay home and surf the Net.
:incense: - Don't you think it will decrease Mass attendance, do you?
:sad: - OK, I will go to Mass, but tell me what is more dangerous? The flu shot or Communion in hand?
I just found an interesting article on LewRockwell.com about vaccines. Here's a link:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/joseph-mercola/the-sordid-history-of-vaccines/ (http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/joseph-mercola/the-sordid-history-of-vaccines/)
Health and disease are both in God's hands. We should not try to control our fate and deviate from what God wants for us. Everything we endure is for a reason. If the Good Lord's plan is for us to be sick, then we must accept that in good faith and use prayer as a remedy.
Some have theorized that the explosion of autism may have been linked to an aborted child with autism that was utilized to manufacture innumerable vaccines received by our unsuspecting children. Please pass on this information. May God have mercy on our country.
As we are all aware of the fact that our church is in disarray one cannot rely on any church authorities support when refusing to have your child vaccinated with a vaccine derived from an aborted child.
It’s a Jewish affair beginning with Sabin, Salk, and Katz.
And now Wasserman and tribe at the RAND Corporation think tank advising HHS has something else up their sleeves.
It’s called “NAIP” - National Adult Immunization Program. A syringe to plunge under the sleeves of every adult with an “electronic” data base storing your immunization history.
Full spectrum dominance. Get the children and follow with adults. Big Brother wants everyone and everything.
It’s a fast track to 666.
It begins with injecting chemicals into your veins and ‘electronic’ storage of your immunization.
You’ll need a chip identifying your ‘immunization status’ so you can get a job, go to school, and even shop at your friendly supermarket.
Hi, I'm not casting doubt on a lot of good information here.
However, just my personal experience, as the result of a severe Line of Duty injury, I ended up with a damaged lung, among other things..I was only about29 yrs. old at the time.
Consequently, what would happen, ever year, for the following three years, was that during cold & flu season, I would pick up a bug, the result would be
the same...first week regular sick, then a wicked bronchial / lung complication, and then pneumonia.....and hard to bust...usually taking three courses of the strongest antibiotics.
That's when my family Doctor suggested, I receive every year a flu vaccine, and most definitely every 4.5 to 5 years, a pneumonia vaccine. I followed his advice.
Aside from an occasional mild cold, with mild symptoms, I have never had any kind of recurrence as I have mentioned.
So on this one, I Thank the Lord, first....and throw and the assist to sanofi/Pastuer.
Amen and thank you, Martin.
On an aside, a good many 'old wives' remedies are excellent (menthol crystals for a cold, rose-hip syrup [second-hand recommendation], calamine lotion). Prayer, prudence and tried-and-true remedies are better than the devilish or dubious products of 'Big Pharma'.
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...holistic doctors who were all being killed in FL had found out via their research that the nagalase enzyme protein is INTENTIONALLY being added to the population via immunizations. Nagalase STOPS vitamin D from binding to the Gc protein. This completely strips a human being’s body of it’s natural ability to kill cancer cells. Nagalase is a protein that’s also created by all cancer cells.
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http://m.disclose.tv/news/murdered_holistic_doctors_discovered_cancercausing_enzyme_being_added_to_all_vaccines/124734
Dr Ted Broer breaks the above info (about the nagalese) in this clip. He explains it much better than I do. The clip is short (from his July 25th Hagmann & Hagmann interview) but it’s a MUST listen.
Dr Ted Broer broke it on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report and it took them a whole hour just to get him on air b/c their 3 hour show was brought down and every line they tried to use kept disconnecting...and then their servers were brought down. They asked a bunch of ppl to pray against the attack and then finally got him on a secured line..and so a full hour into the show they were finally back on the air and connected to Dr Broer and the first thing he said was “I am in no way suicidal.” He was super nervous holding onto this info…afraid he’d be taken out Hastings style before he got a chance to say it publicly. So listen to this short clip of him breaking the story.
It’s a 19 min clip but the most important info is heard within the first 10 min. It is def some of the most important news Ive ever heard. And it needs to go viral. PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SHORT CLIP!!
Conversations focused primarily on the influenza, MMR, and yellow fever vaccines, which rely on fertilized chicken eggs for their culturing viruses. Fertilized chicken eggs, while ideally suited for culturing certain viruses for vaccines, such as the influenza and MMR vaccines, are also living incubators for large numbers of known and unknown viruses in the animal kingdom. While these do not transmit from their animal host to humans naturally, they nevertheless are sequential genetic codes that, when injected into the human body, have the potential for any number of unpredictable adverse effects by interfering or merging with the codes of human cells.
Vaccine research is at best a primitive science, because it involves injecting into the bloodstream foreign substances, chemical and genetic, that would not otherwise naturally enter the body. When we bring into the equation the enormous amount of known and unknown genetic material and foreign proteins that vaccines introduce into the body, and then consider the rapid increase in epidemics raging through the American population – adult diabetes in children, large numbers of various inflammatory and immune deficiency diseases, asthma and new allergies, severe gastrointestinal disorders (e.g., leaky gut syndrome and Crohn’s disease), chronic fatigue syndrome, and many different neurological disorders (e.g., autism, ADD and ADHD, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s) – we must step back and reconsider their causes. We should avoid the kind of faith that the vaccine industrial complex has in its determinist, reductionist perspective of genetic materialism to find these answers without taking into account the bombardment of toxic chemicals such as vaccine adjuvants and preservatives, extraneous genetic material, pathogenic organisms, and foreign genetic fragments that assault our bodies from shortly after birth into old age.
For some time, it was known that the enzyme reverse transcriptase (RT) was present in final vaccine solutions. RT has been used to this day as an indicator that there is a presence of a retrovirus. During the meeting’s proceedings, the WHO decided to withhold public announcement of such genetic contamination, in this case concerning the MMR vaccine; not to remove it from the market; and, in the meantime, continue safety studies at various laboratories.
I believe an issue with vaccines is how they are made and the manufacturer. The question is were aborted cells of babies used to produce the vaccine?
... IT IS INDISPENSABLE TO TROUBLE IN ALL COUNTRIES THE PEOPLE'S RELATIONS WITH THEIR GOVERNMENTS SO AS TO UTTERLY EXHAUST HUMANITY WITH DISSENSION, HATRED, STRUGGLE, ENVY AND EVEN BY THE USE OF TORTURE, BY STARVATION, BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES ...
I recently heard (sorry it's vague) that in the past few years doctors themselves (apparently a group in Europe ) and else where are finding that 6% on avg of the vaccinated population gets these retro virus that lay dormant in your body until u age or get a weakened immune system. Then over half a dozen diseases wake up. I remember some of them included autism fibro mialja, crowhnes , they also included cancer.
Meant to look into it further I thought it was interesting coming from a medical community.
Your friendly Canadian :farmer:
P.s we are free in canada to choose whether or not we want to vaccinate
Mercury overstimulates the brain for several years, says Dr. Blaylock, and that activation is the cause of Alzheimer’s and other degenerative diseases. One study found that those who get the vaccine for three to five years increase their risk of Alzheimer’s disease 10-fold.
Doshi asserts that influenza is a case of “disease mongering” in an effort to expand markets. He points to the fact that deaths from flu declined sharply during the middle of the 20th century, long before the huge vaccine campaigns that kicked off the 21st century.
Why do drug companies push the vaccine? “It’s all about money,” says Dr. Blaylock. “Vaccinations are a pharmaceutical company’s dream. They have a product that both the government and the media will help them sell, and since vaccinations are protected, they can’t be sued if anyone has a complication.”
New book, titled: “Sarah doesn’t want to be vaccinated”
by Jon Rappoport
February 16, 2016
Excuse me? What’s that title again?
The author is Andreas Bachmair. I recently met Andreas on a Red Ice interview about the dangers and risks of vaccines. No one has written, to my knowledge, a book questioning vaccination from the point of view of a child—until now.
Quoting from the book’s Amazon page:
“Sarah is really excited about the upcoming Girl Scout trip but there is a problem: she has no vaccination record and doesn’t want to be vaccinated. Can she still go or will she have to stay home? This book is dedicated to all children and parents who are concerned about vaccinations and refuse to give in to the constant vaccination propaganda. Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children make this decision after careful consideration, because they are convinced that vaccinations do more harm than good. The decision not to vaccinate is often not an easy one, because one so often faces criticism and seems to be swimming upstream. Dear parents, I hope this book will help you and your children to understand better the controversial issue of vaccination.”
Here is a biographical note about Andreas:
“Andreas Bachmair is a classical homeopath with a practice in Kreuzlingen by the Bodensee in Switzerland. The focus of his work for over ten years has been the treatment of vaccine-related injuries. This led him to create the website Impfschaden.info to educate people about the dangers of vaccination. Seven years ago, Impfschaden.info was translated into English and can be accessed at Vaccineinjury.info. With nearly 20,000 participants so far, one of the largest studies to document the health of unvaccinated children is currently underway on those two websites. He is the author and publisher of several books critical of vaccinations: ‘Vaccine-Free’, ‘Leitfaden zur Impfentscheidung’ and ‘Risiko und Nebenwirkung Impfschaden’. The latter two are unfortunately not yet available in English.”
This has to be a first—a book about the risks of vaccination featuring a child.
You would think the World Health Organization and the CDC would have released books like this by now, after all these years—you’d think that, if you lived on Mars or in another galaxy.
It falls to a courageous man like Andreas to step up to the plate.
Nagalese prevents vitamin D being produced In the body
Not long ago, Neon Nettle reported on the epidemic of doctors being murdered, most of which were in Florida, U.S. The scientists all shared a common trait, they had all discovered that nagalase enzyme protein was being added to vaccines which were then administrated to humans.
Nagalese is what prevents vitamin D from being produced in the body, which is the body’s main defence to naturally kill cancer cells. ..
Just about all physicians who are board certified, whether as individuals or in associations recommend vaccination. Also the CDC recommends it, WHO, and many other organizations staffed by experts.
The burden is on you to show that the risks outweigh the benefits. I will not accept quacks as sources, or known conspiracy theorists and cranks, so you'll need to dig deep.There is an entire cottage industry out there of conspiracy theorists making money off from a gullible public.
vaccines are not only safe, they ought to be mandatory. They have freed children from death and suffering.
I have studied this subject since 1985.
Here are some facts.
1. Vaccines have never been proven to prevent diseases.
2. Vaccinations have been proven to cause Autism.
3. Vaccines give people health problems for life, which keeps the
doctors busy and the pharmaceutical companies in business.
ok, dr. carley? Suspended schizophrenic? That's what you got? Why do you read these nut jobs? "the government is LYING to you" is your constant refrain.
Again, the sources I looked at are all either not qualified as experts or have been barred from practicing medicine due to psychosis. I am more interested in why you are drawn to bizarre theories. Are you a 9-11 truther too? Moon landing hoax?
I don't blame parents for looking into the issue. I was vaccinated as a child as were all the children of my generation with incident. They may be using too many vaccines these days, but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Pertussis is a killer of infants and kids. They drown in the fluid their respiratory tract produces.
No one is saying that people should have an unqualified trust of experts, but you have an unqualified trust in quacks!
About Smallpox.
All of us have been told that Smallpox was erased from society by the Smallpox vaccine.
Do you always believe what everybody else is believing ?
Edward Jenner invented the first Smallpox vaccine. He vaccinated his son. His son got
brain damage and died. Source:
http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/jenners-son-became-mentally-retarded-and-died-after-smallpox-vaccination/
I found this:
What You Need to Know About Smallpox Vaccine
It spreads vaccinia virus from one person to another, which can kill or injure people
It causes reactions in almost everyone who gets it (fever, spread of vaccine virus to other parts of body) and causes extremely severe reactions in 1 in 4,000 persons which can lead to death or injury;
It was never tested in clinical trials before it was used on a mass basis and mandated;
Drug companies making old and new smallpox vaccines want normal federal vaccine safety and efficacy standards to be suspended so the vaccines can be licensed quickly;
Drug companies do not want to be held liable for any injuries and deaths caused by old and new smallpox vaccines.
Bottom Line: What You Need To Know About Proposed Laws in Your State
When federal and state public health officials convince your Governor to declare a “public health” emergency, they want to be able to use the “state militia” to:
Take control of all roads leading into and out of your cities and state;
Seize your house, car, telephones, computers, food, fuel, clothing, firearms and alcoholic beverages for their own use (and not be held liable if these actions result in the destruction of your personal property)
Arrest, imprison and forcibly examine, vaccinate and medicate you and your children without your consent (and not be held liable if these actions result in your death or injury).
The source for the above is here:
http://www.nvic.org/nvic-archives/newsletter/forcedvaccination.aspx
Question. Why is there a Smallpox Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ?
See this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14677536
"Smallpox was declared eradicated, yet still infects humans today. By Viera Scheibner, PhD"
Article is here:
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/04/02/smallpox-declared-eradicated-while-still-alive-and-well-by-viera-scheibner-phd/
A) The guy involved in the first smallpox vaccine was James Phipps, who was not Edward Jenner's son. Source (http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/people/jamesphipps)
B) An organization with the most anti-vax bias you've ever seen is not a credible source. Smallpox was eradicated in 1979 with no new cases since, hence the term eradicated.
As to autism, there has been no increase in autism but an increase in diagnoses of it. This is due to hysterical mothers bringing their children in for various problems. The autism craze has died down so they'll find a new mythical scary side effect soon, don't worry.
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/70854/1/WHO_IVB_12.04_eng.pdf
Analysis by WHO of recent VAX programmes, by experts who are not either mentally ill or quacks driven from the practice of medicine
(1) Vaxing a population creates "herd immunity". Before vaccines people were much more likely to get lethal or crippling diseases.
(2) If we stopped vaccination people would be overriden with disease and would soon demand reinstatement of vaccine programmes!
what is happening today is that children get autism, since that is something to which they have always been vulnerable, but now the parents blame it on the vaccines.
Quote from: apolloQuote from: qeddeq
(1) Vaxing a population creates "herd immunity". Before vaccines people were much more likely to get lethal or crippling diseases.
(1) Theory only, has no factual or scientific basis. The propaganda of the CDC and WHO.
It has a basis. Simple mathematics.
What math?
Assume there are 100 people in the room, 50 are vaccinated, 50 are not.
How likely are you (one of the vaccinated) to get sick from the disease (say MMR).
First of all, one study showed that 74% of those who were vaccinated got the disease
from the vaccination. So any mathematics has to take into account this fact.
You will also have to take into account the number of people who have died from the
vaccination.
Didn't know about this. Check the government database search on MMR vaccine and
the number of deaths in any year, say 2009.
Here is the website: http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php
Don't forget that 1 in 50 get Autism (diagnosed Autism) and many more get some
kind of Autism Spectrum Disorder (not diagnosed until later).
Where is the report that tested this herd immunity concept ?
You won't find it, because it's never been done.
before I slice and dice you yet again do you wish to reevaluate your claim that the amish do not vaccinate their children?
Quote from: apollo
(2) The Amish do not vaccinate their children. They are healthy. They have NO Autism.
so you have conceded that (2) is false.
before I slice and dice you yet again do you wish to reevaluate your claim that the amish do not vaccinate their children?
It is true that the Amish do undervaccinate. However, they suffer the same rate of illness as other undervaccination populations.
So many amish do vaccinate, and when they do not, they get sick.
If your premise is that preindustrial living gives one an immunity to illness, then you would have to believe that the history of civilization is one big lie.
are you claiming that autism does not predate vaccinations? If vaccination is a necessary condition for autism, then no one before vaccination had autism. However, we know that autism existed before vax. Therefore, vax is not a necessary condition for autism.
You dodged my brilliant point about preindustrial living and disease. Your logic leads one to conclude that no one got sick before the industrial revolution and the lifestyles it created. That is patently false, unless you want to say that scripture is lying. The OT and the NT mention leprosy, epilepsy and fever, among many other diseases.
...something fit for the Georgia Guidestones...
Forced vaccinations? Eww. I don't have much of an opinion on vaccinations yet as a 22 year old unmarried male with no children, but... I can't think of anyone who is for THAT.
I can't for the life of me understand why people are so all-or-nothing on this issue. The first vaccines were created long before the so-called "medical mafia" could possibly have existed, so to say that every vaccine ever is part of a sinister plot to poison people so pharmaceutical companies can make more money treating them is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as saying that something like the Hep-B or Flu vaccine should be mandatory, or even recommendable.
Is it so hard to find some kind of middle ground here?
qeddeq has been banned.
I can't for the life of me understand why people are so all-or-nothing on this issue. The first vaccines were created long before the so-called "medical mafia" could possibly have existed, so to say that every vaccine ever is part of a sinister plot to poison people so pharmaceutical companies can make more money treating them is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as saying that something like the Hep-B or Flu vaccine should be mandatory, or even recommendable.
Is it so hard to find some kind of middle ground here?
qeddeq has been banned.
Not just because he is pro-vaccination (for there are many Traditional Catholics woefully ignorant about vaccines, and the danger thereof).
The reason I banned him: he, along with a select group of Illuminati/serious bad guys has called for MANDATORY VACCINATION. I hear this from various villains like the heads of Monsanto, Bayer, people like Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, etc.
But a Traditional Catholic uttering something fit for the Georgia Guidestones? Something that I thought only serious bad guys (Illuminati, Freemasons, Satan worshippers) were pushing for?
Mandatory public school, mandatory vaccination, mandatory state religion, mandatory state raising of your children, etc. all go against the natural law, and the natural rights of parents as given by God.
It is indisputable Catholic doctrine that parents have a right and a duty to raise their own children. That includes spiritual matters, as well as education and taking care of them physically. The State has no right to intervene.
You only disagree with that if you are a Communist or a state-worshiping Fascist.
Anyhow, I don't allow Communists on CathInfo, or willing dupes who spout their doctrine. So good riddance.
Anyone who wishes to see children ripped from their homes, forceably indoctrinated, forcibly vaccinated, "superfluous" children forcibly aborted, forceably inducted into the military, old people forceably euthanized at age 60, or anyone who wants to see the world population reduced to 100 million -- you aren't welcome on CathInfo.
We have a strict "no Illuminati" policy here.
Anyhow, qeddeq was either an agent/plant, or just a seriously ignorant and deluded sheep. Either way, someone in that state is only a liability to a discussion forum (where we all seek the truth). What is the likelihood he would have the truth about anything, when his brain is that washed by propaganda? When his critical thinking skills are so lacking?
Oh, and P.S. -- CathInfo has been conspiracy discussion friendly since the very beginning. That was the very reason I started CathInfo. So those who believe in the fake moon landing, the official gov't story on 9/11, etc. are TOLERATED on CathInfo, not the other way around!
qeddeq has been banned.
Not just because he is pro-vaccination (for there are many Traditional Catholics woefully ignorant about vaccines, and the danger thereof).
The reason I banned him: he, along with a select group of Illuminati/serious bad guys has called for MANDATORY VACCINATION. I hear this from various villains like the heads of Monsanto, Bayer, people like Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, etc.
But a Traditional Catholic uttering something fit for the Georgia Guidestones? Something that I thought only serious bad guys (Illuminati, Freemasons, Satan worshippers) were pushing for?
Mandatory public school, mandatory vaccination, mandatory state religion, mandatory state raising of your children, etc. all go against the natural law, and the natural rights of parents as given by God.
It is indisputable Catholic doctrine that parents have a right and a duty to raise their own children. That includes spiritual matters, as well as education and taking care of them physically. The State has no right to intervene.
You only disagree with that if you are a Communist or a state-worshiping Fascist.
Anyhow, I don't allow Communists on CathInfo, or willing dupes who spout their doctrine. So good riddance.
Anyone who wishes to see children ripped from their homes, forceably indoctrinated, forcibly vaccinated, "superfluous" children forcibly aborted, forceably inducted into the military, old people forceably euthanized at age 60, or anyone who wants to see the world population reduced to 100 million -- you aren't welcome on CathInfo.
We have a strict "no Illuminati" policy here.
Anyhow, qeddeq was either an agent/plant, or just a seriously ignorant and deluded sheep. Either way, someone in that state is only a liability to a discussion forum (where we all seek the truth). What is the likelihood he would have the truth about anything, when his brain is that washed by propaganda? When his critical thinking skills are so lacking?
Oh, and P.S. -- CathInfo has been conspiracy discussion friendly since the very beginning. That was the very reason I started CathInfo. So those who believe in the fake moon landing, the official gov't story on 9/11, etc. are TOLERATED on CathInfo, not the other way around!
qeddeq has been banned.
Not just because he is pro-vaccination (for there are many Traditional Catholics woefully ignorant about vaccines, and the danger thereof).
The reason I banned him: he, along with a select group of Illuminati/serious bad guys has called for MANDATORY VACCINATION. I hear this from various villains like the heads of Monsanto, Bayer, people like Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, etc.
But a Traditional Catholic uttering something fit for the Georgia Guidestones? Something that I thought only serious bad guys (Illuminati, Freemasons, Satan worshippers) were pushing for?
Mandatory public school, mandatory vaccination, mandatory state religion, mandatory state raising of your children, etc. all go against the natural law, and the natural rights of parents as given by God.
It is indisputable Catholic doctrine that parents have a right and a duty to raise their own children. That includes spiritual matters, as well as education and taking care of them physically. The State has no right to intervene.
You only disagree with that if you are a Communist or a state-worshiping Fascist.
Anyhow, I don't allow Communists on CathInfo, or willing dupes who spout their doctrine. So good riddance.
Anyone who wishes to see children ripped from their homes, forceably indoctrinated, forcibly vaccinated, "superfluous" children forcibly aborted, forceably inducted into the military, old people forceably euthanized at age 60, or anyone who wants to see the world population reduced to 100 million -- you aren't welcome on CathInfo.
We have a strict "no Illuminati" policy here.
Anyhow, qeddeq was either an agent/plant, or just a seriously ignorant and deluded sheep. Either way, someone in that state is only a liability to a discussion forum (where we all seek the truth). What is the likelihood he would have the truth about anything, when his brain is that washed by propaganda? When his critical thinking skills are so lacking?
Oh, and P.S. -- CathInfo has been conspiracy discussion friendly since the very beginning. That was the very reason I started CathInfo. So those who believe in the fake moon landing, the official gov't story on 9/11, etc. are TOLERATED on CathInfo, not the other way around!
Vaccine will save the life of your child.
They don't necessarily need the chickenpox virus, but vaccines against polio, measles, mumps will save your child and are NOT made from aborted fetuses. They are usually made in eggs now. Please please please speak with a professional who is well educated about this topic (an MD or a DO NOT a nurse or nurse practitioner).
“As people’s fears of the diseases abated, their concerns for the side-effects of the vaccine increased.” Peter Parham
Many of you have not seen polio or smallpox. Google them. You have internet.
We have now eradicated smallpox and polio due to vaccines.
Quote from: RogerThatVaccine will save the life of your child.
They don't necessarily need the chickenpox virus, but vaccines against polio, measles, mumps will save your child and are NOT made from aborted fetuses. They are usually made in eggs now. Please please please speak with a professional who is well educated about this topic (an MD or a DO NOT a nurse or nurse practitioner).
“As people’s fears of the diseases abated, their concerns for the side-effects of the vaccine increased.” Peter Parham
Many of you have not seen polio or smallpox. Google them. You have internet.
We have now eradicated smallpox and polio due to vaccines.
This is a myth. Vaccines are at best ineffective. According to the CDC (if Im not mistaken) , no epidemic has successfully been contained by vaccines save the original for Smallpox. Not even Polio. Given the regular correlation between disease and vaccination, I dont think it's worth it. A doctor can tell me all day about how he believes vaccines are safe and effective, but that doesnt change the fact my relative got rushed to the hospital because they had life threatening reactions to the vaccine, or got sick with the disease they were vaccinated against when prior to their "immunization" they were just fine.
Quote from: Catholic SamuraiQuote from: RogerThatVaccine will save the life of your child.
They don't necessarily need the chickenpox virus, but vaccines against polio, measles, mumps will save your child and are NOT made from aborted fetuses. They are usually made in eggs now. Please please please speak with a professional who is well educated about this topic (an MD or a DO NOT a nurse or nurse practitioner).
“As people’s fears of the diseases abated, their concerns for the side-effects of the vaccine increased.” Peter Parham
Many of you have not seen polio or smallpox. Google them. You have internet.
We have now eradicated smallpox and polio due to vaccines.
This is a myth. Vaccines are at best ineffective. According to the CDC (if Im not mistaken) , no epidemic has successfully been contained by vaccines save the original for Smallpox. Not even Polio. Given the regular correlation between disease and vaccination, I dont think it's worth it. A doctor can tell me all day about how he believes vaccines are safe and effective, but that doesnt change the fact my relative got rushed to the hospital because they had life threatening reactions to the vaccine, or got sick with the disease they were vaccinated against when prior to their "immunization" they were just fine.
Polio has decreased by 99% since the 80s because of vaccines. Source here (http://www.who.int/features/qa/07/en/)
We only see outbreaks of these seriously debilitating diseases when children who aren't vaccinated come in contact with children who have the virus (like at Disneyland, Church, the grocery store, etc.). Think about it. If you have a baby and place your baby on the "child seat" of a grocery cart and if the child that sat in the seat before had the virus your child could possibly grab the virus too!
Please vaccinate your children.
Vaccines are NOT made from new fetal or aborted tissue. They were in the past but not anymore. Merck, the company that makes vaccines, DOES NOT use fetal embryonic stem cells to make vaccines anymore. They used to. but not anymore.
Vaccines are NOT made from new fetal or aborted tissue. They were in the past but not anymore. Merck, the company that makes vaccines, DOES NOT use fetal embryonic stem cells to make vaccines anymore. They used to. but not anymore.
Polio has decreased by 99% since the 80s because of vaccines. Source here (http://www.who.int/features/qa/07/en/)
We only see outbreaks of these seriously debilitating diseases when children who aren't vaccinated come in contact with children who have the virus (like at Disneyland, Church, the grocery store, etc.). Think about it. If you have a baby and place your baby on the "child seat" of a grocery cart and if the child that sat in the seat before had the virus your child could possibly grab the virus too!
Please vaccinate your children.
Vaccines are NOT made from new fetal or aborted tissue. They were in the past but not anymore. Merck, the company that makes vaccines, DOES NOT use fetal embryonic stem cells to make vaccines anymore. They used to. but not anymore.
Reuters) - A Detroit mother must vaccinate her 9-year-old son by next week under a judge's order or she could go to jail, according to media reports.
Rebecca Bredow, a mother of two, told WXYZ-TV on Wednesday that she had one week to get her son vaccinated under an Oakland County judge's order as part of legal fight with her ex-husband.
"I would rather sit behind bars for standing up for what I believe in, than giving into something I strongly don't believe in," she told the station. "God forbid he were to be injured by one of the vaccines. Then what? That's what scares me."
Vaccine will save the life of your child.A Common myth exposed as a Lie today. Clean water, sanitation and quarantine were the real reason for the decline of illness.
They don't necessarily need the chickenpox virus, but vaccines against polio, measles, mumps will save your child and are NOT made from aborted fetuses. They are usually made in eggs now. Please please please speak with a professional who is well educated about this topic (an MD or a DO NOT a nurse or nurse practitioner).
“As people’s fears of the diseases abated, their concerns for the side-effects of the vaccine increased.” Peter Parham
Many of you have not seen polio or smallpox. Google them. You have internet.
We have now eradicated smallpox and polio due to vaccines.
By Dana A., Natural Blaze (http://www.naturalblaze.com/)A similar situation happened to me when my child had a serious reaction to the DDP (half dose). I was able to find an anti-vax doctor.
(http://www.naturalblaze.com/)
Almost 10 years ago when my children were toddlers I took my oldest daughter who was four to Matthews Children’s Clinic in Matthews, NC for strep throat.
We had just moved to NC and I had only been to this office a few times and saw a male doctor. I believe it was on a Monday when I took my oldest in. Then about three days later my youngest daughter also came down with it. The male doctor was not available and I didn’t think it was a big deal to see a different doctor because it was to me a clear case of strep.
...
The female doctor came into the exam room and asked why we were there. I told her strep and about how my oldest was just in the other day. Upon taking the throat swab she asked if I wanted to get my daughter up to date on her vaccines. I replied “not today”. That was the end of the discussion… so I thought. The doctor left the room with the swab.
Shortly after she returned with a full needle in hand… READY TO INJECT!! Open, tip not covered and full. She came into the room, shut the door, spread out in front of it BLOCKING it, and said “she’s not leaving until she’s up to date”. ...
Thank the Angels for knocking me out of it. I grabbed my phone that was sitting there and said “if you don’t let us pass I’m calling the police”.
She looked at me, huffed, turned and stormed out of the room slamming the door on her way out.
I grabbed my daughter and went to the front desk where they were already waiting to check me out. I was young and scared. I was also ashamed that we were not vaccinating back then I didn’t know anyone who wasn’t and had no support. So I thought I was alone and even though I knew I was doing the right thing for my kids I still felt ashamed by society and now this doctor. I just paid the co-pay and left.
My daughter was NOT treated for strep either. No prescription or anything. I was left humiliated and with a sick kid.
The very next day I received a letter in the mail that I had been kicked out of the practice. That fast. That is the day I became my families healer. I have never looked back. My kids have never been to a pediatrician nor western medical doctor since.
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According to Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Department of Biostatistics of the University of North Carolina School of Public Health:http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/QuoteIn order to qualify for classification as paralytic poliomyelitis, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for at least 60 days after the onset of the disease. Prior to 1954, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for only 24 hours. Laboratory confirmation and the presence of residual paralysis were not required. After 1954, residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days and again 50 to 70 days after the onset of the disease. This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer lasting paralysis.1 (http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/#_edn1)As I wrote in my piece “The Salk ‘Miracle’ Myth (http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/06/the-salk-miracle-myth/)“…QuoteUnder the new definition of polio, thousands of cases which would have previously been counted as polio would no longer be counted as polio. The change in the definition laid the groundwork for creating the impression that the Salk vaccine was effective.4 (http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/#_edn4)
Leaving aside the fact that I can find NO evidence of the supposed redefinition of Polio,What relevance have herbal remedies to the present topic? You cannot have looked too hard for the evidence of the redefinition of Polio. Are you in the pay of the pharmaceutical industry?
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Let it never be said that any doctor not peddling herbal remedies might have actually contributed something to humanity.
Greater cervical cancer risk linked to HPV vaccination, well-regarded medical journal removes new studyPlease visit: https://www.naturalhealth365.com/cervical-cancer-HPV-vaccine-2613.html
Posted by: Lori Alton, staff writer (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/author/lori-alton/)in Food News (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/category/food-news/) June 30, 2018
(Naturalhealth365 (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/)) Human papillomavirus, the most common sexually transmitted disease, usually resolves on its own. In rare cases, however, HPV leads to cervical cancer. HPV vaccines, such as Gardasil, are touted by many mainstream medical authorities as a way to prevent cervical cancer. But, could the vaccination actually be having the opposite effect (https://ijme.in/articles/increased-incidence-of-cervical-cancer-in-sweden-possible-link-with-hpv-vaccination/)?
A new study raising just this possibility was recently published in a well-regarded medical journal. Soon after, it was officially retracted by the journal’s editors – because the author, fearing repercussions from those opposed to any questioning of vaccines, used a pseudonym.
Age-standardized incidence of cervical cancer in Sweden increased by 20 percent during 2014 and 2015
In an article published April 30, 2018 in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics (IJME), the author (who identified himself as Lars Andersson, of the Department of Physiology and Pharmacology at the prestigious Karolinska Institute in Sweden) pointed out that the Centre for Cervical Cancer Prevention in Sweden had noted in its annual report that there had been a substantial increase in incidence of invasive cervical cancer – especially during 2014 and 2015.
The increase was shown to be most prominent among women aged 20 to 49 years, who were of an age to have received the HPV vaccinations.
HPV vaccines (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-2245.html) were approved in Sweden in 2006 and 2007. Andersson notes that about 80 percent of the 12-year-old girls in Sweden were vaccinated in 2010, while 59 percent of 13- to 18-year-old girls were vaccinated through a “catch-up” program.
In addition to suggesting that increased HPV vaccination rates were associated with an increase in cervical cancer, Andersson maintained that a U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) analysis of Gardasil (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/side-effects-of-gardasil-shot-vaccine-dangers-1349.html) in 2006 showed a higher risk of “premalignant cell changes” from the vaccine in certain groups that had been exposed to some HPV strains.
After the article’s publication, however, there followed a somewhat whiplash-inducing chain of events.
Journal editors confirm: Author faced possible repercussions
A week after publication, the IJME editors removed any mention of the Karolinska Institute from Andersson’s article.
In a published comment, the editors stated that they had made the deletion after being informed by the Institute that no one by the name of “Lars Andersson” worked there.
At this point, the author had proceeded to make his real name known to the editors – under the premise of confidentiality.
The editors stated that they had confirmed that the author had the “necessary qualifications, expertise and research experience” required for the article. They also confirmed that the author did, indeed, face a “credible threat of harm.”
In addition, they reconfirmed the article’s conclusion – that there was “a possible association of the HPV vaccine with increased incidence of carcinoma cervix.” They also agreed with the author that more research is needed.
The editors decided to retain the article.
At this point, the entire editorial board – and other interested parties – began to second-guess the decision and questioned the wisdom of allowing the article to stand.
Ultimately, the editors decided against tolerating the authorial deception – although they still assess the article as correct. On May 8, 2018, the IJME retracted the article, while continuing to call for more exploration on the article’s subject.
Undeniable truth: Cervical cancer prevention vaccines are linked to harm
Natural health experts say that human papillomavirus vaccines such as Gardasil and Gardasil 9 have been linked with a variety of adverse and potentially devastating effects, including premature menopause, severe ulcers, infertility, chronic pain and paralysis.
Even the manufacturers acknowledge that Gardasil can cause redness, swelling and pain at the injection site, along with nausea and vomiting.
Moreover, Gardasil and Gardasil 9 both contain aluminum as an adjuvant, or additional ingredient intended to make the vaccine more effective. Aluminum is a proven neurotoxin (https://www.naturalhealth365.com/cancer-prevention-hpv-2450.html), with more than 1,600 peer-reviewed scientific documents attesting to its hazards.
As if this weren’t alarming enough, HPV vaccines also contain polysorbate 80 – which is known to cause encephalitis, anaphylactic reactions and multiple sclerosis.
Vaccine proponents say that there is ‘solid evidence’ that the HPV vaccine reduces the risk of precancerous and cancerous lesions in women. On the other side of the debate, critics point to adverse effects and possible increased cancer risk.
So, while the controversy continues to rage, educating yourself as to the possible risks and benefits of vaccination clearly remains the best policy. In addition, no doubt, a trusted and knowledgeable integrative doctor can help you make an informed decision.
Parents to be fined $730 a year for not vaccinating their children
Posted By: Vaxxter Staff (https://vaxxter.com/author/helensco/) 07/05/2018
The push for mandatory vaccinations is coming from all directions these days. As more and more communities reject the idea of mandated medical treatments, the government’s long arm grows.
No place on earth is more egregiously in violation of parental rights than Australia. In fact, now the country wants to charge parents an annual fine of $730 for passing on vaccinations. The payments would be taken directly from family tax benefits paychecks. Children with medical exemptions would exclude their parents from the hefty fines, but otherwise, all Australians would be subject to fines for choosing not to get some or all required vaccines.
This is another extension of the Federal Government’s ‘No Jab, No Pay’ program, the controversial program that serves to cut off families who don’t vaccinate their children from government benefits.
The annual $730 would be taken out over the course of the year and serve as a “constant reminder” for vaccinations
‘Parents who don’t immunise their children are putting their own kids at risk as well as the children of other people,’ Minister for Social Services Dan Tehan said, news.com.au (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/babies/parents-who-refuse-to-vaccinate-will-be-docked-money-from-their-family-tax-benefit-from-today/news-story/9d091a5d6ec0b0f597a385adb9f25c7d) reported.
It is believed that the government is using this fine to take on parents who are now moving their children to private childcare centers that don’t require vaccines. It is also safe to conclude that this is part of growing fascism and potentially, profiteering on the backs of lower and middle-class families. Make no mistake about it, this is fascism. While the country of Australia continues to be seduced by liberalism, the government is steadily moving towards a completely authoritarian concept. The country banned guns decades ago, so it isn’t likely to experience much friction from citizens over the matter.
https://vaxxter.com/parents-to-be-fined-730-a-year-for-not-vaccinating-their-children/The solution? Get a medical exemption letter from an M.D. Some letters are valid for only one year and some are valid for LIFE, Depending on the wording, so Check the wording requirements before asking the doctor. I handed our doctor the letter I wanted her to sign, and She did.
By Bill Sardi (https://www.lewrockwell.com/author/bill-sardi/?ptype=article)For the complete article, please visit https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/08/bill-sardi/covertly-funded-by-a-billionaire-trump-hater-would-the-deep-state-conspire-with-de-funded-infectious-disease-researchers-to-release-a-deadly-flu-vaccine-just-prior-to-a-presidential-election/
August 1, 2018
On March 9, 2018 I wrote a column posted at LewRockwell.com (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/bill-sardi/flu-vaccine-extortion/) about the infectious disease industry issuance of a warning that a mutated flu virus could kill 300 million people in what appeared to be false threat (extortion) to avert planned budget cuts by the Trump administration in infectious disease research. Lo and behold, just three days later I wrote a follow-up report that the infectious disease industry was actually tooling up for an undefined communicable disease that doesn’t exist yet (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/bill-sardi/facing-budget-cuts-the-infectious-disease-industry-prepares-for-a-communicable-disease-that-doesnt-exist-yet/).
Just over four months later a consortium of government health experts and politicians now have simulated an outbreak of a flu-like virus that could plausibly kill 900 million people. In a report published in the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6006655/A-deadly-virus-pandemic-kill-900-million-people-happened-today.html) (July 30, 2018 , public health authorities report “the simulation predicted how governments and health authorities around the world would react to a deadly infection spreading so quickly” … and with no vaccine found “the virus could go on to wipe out a huge chunk of the world’s population,” said the news report.
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August 8, 2018
League leader Matteo Salvini called required vaccines “useless” and said they were “in many cases dangerous, if not harmful”.
Now, they won’t be required.
By a vote of 148 to 110 in the upper house of parliament, Italy has squashed mandatory vaccine laws and aims to be “more inclusive.”
The 10 required vaccinations preschools or nurseries are now suspended, at least in terms of mandatory laws.
The Democratic party passed the original mandatory vaccine law in June of 2017, but now, a year later and in the midst of a revolution in Italy, parents will no longer have to comply. The Democrats originally used a measles outbreak as the fuel for the law’s passage.
The Five Star Movement and the League, both political parties that are often considered to have grown on the heels of Trump’s rise, said they were concerned about children being excluded in communities.
Roberto Burioni, a microbiologist, voiced his displeasure on CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/07/health/italy-anti-vaccine-law-measles-intl/index.html). CNN’s article says that the decision has “sent shockwaves through the scientific community” and one of their headings read, “why it’s dangerous.” Point being, the mainstream media is not handling this well, at all.
CNN wasn’t the only mainstream outlet or pro-mandatory-vaccine advocate melting down, not by a long shot.
- Proof of date of birth before 1980.
- Record of at least one dose of the chickenpox vaccine verified by a licensed healthcare provider.
- A letter from a licensed healthcare provider documenting infection with and full recovery from previous chickenpox illness.
- A letter from a licensed health care provider that confirms a blood test or serology showing chickenpox immunity
ICAN was therefore forced to file a lawsuit to force HHS to either provide copies of its biennial vaccine safety reports to Congress or admit it never filed these reports. The result of the lawsuit is that HHS had to finally and shockingly admit that it never, not even once, submitted a single biennial report to Congress detailing the improvements in vaccine safety. This speaks volumes to the seriousness by which vaccine safety is treated at HHS and heightens the concern that HHS doesn’t have a clue as to the actual safety profile of the now 29 doses, and growing, of vaccines given by one year of age.
Q. Granny doesn’t want a flu shot: My son and his wife are expecting their first born, my first grandchild. We are all beyond excited. Here’s the hitch: I and my husband do not get or believe in flu shots, and have not for over a decade. I am a retired nurse practitioner, so am well-informed on the subject. The expectant mom’s mother says no one will be allowed around the baby unless they have had their flu shot. I am in a quandary. I don’t want to lie and say my husband and I have gotten one when we haven’t. But I don’t want to be left out of this little one’s life because that side of the family thinks I am being unreasonable by not caving to have a shot I do not want. By the way, both my husband and I have had all our regular vaccines. What should I do?
A: It’s great that you and your husband have had all your regular vaccines, but that has nothing to do with whether you could transmit the flu to your grandchild. That’s like hearing, “Would you like to get lunch?” and responding, “I had breakfast this morning.” It’s a good thing, to be sure, but not strictly relevant to the question at hand. You don’t say why you don’t “believe” in flu shots, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends them (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm)for everyone over the age of 6 months. I do not encourage you to lie about your vaccination status in order to get what you want, especially when that could potentially risk the baby’s health. You can’t get everything you want. If you decide that it’s very important not to get vaccinated, then you owe it to the people around you to be upfront about your vaccination status so they can make their own choices about their health.
###You are being contacted because of your recent participation in the staff influenza immunization clinics. We have received information that the vaccine you received was given in error and although the risk to you is low, we wanted to ensure you were aware and had all the necessary information.Staff were scheduled to receive the FluZone Quadrivalent (4-strain) Influenza vaccine that is licensed for those six months of age and older. It was discovered that staff were instead provided the High-Dose FluZone Trivalent (3- strain) vaccine, which is licensed for those 65 years of age and older. Both vaccines contain the same ingredients; however the difference is that the High-Dose FluZoneTrivalent contains higher doses of the 3 antigens to provide a larger immune response for those over 65 years who may not mount a response to the lower dose version which protects against 4 strains.
The Vaccine Preventable Disease team has consulted with the vaccine manufacturer Sanofi Pasteur and there is no increased risk of severe side effects. In a recent study, individuals who had the high-dose vaccine inadvertently were found to experience a higher rate of mild side effects, such as sore arm, redness at the site, and swelling at the site.
We recommend that you monitor yourself for reactions to the influenza vaccine as outlined on the card provided by Apex at the time of vaccination. The common side effects of the flu shot are soreness, redness or swelling where the shot was given. Serious side effects to flu vaccines are very rare.
For questions about the Vaccine clinics please contact Apex Occupational Health Solutions at, 519 896-3330.
For questions specifically about the flu vaccine, please contact the Vaccine Preventable Disease Program at 519-575-4400 x5003.
In case anyone didn't know, Jew Rod Rosenstein (Deputy Attorney General involved in coverup of Clinton/Obama/Holder crimes and other Deep State acts of treason & corruption) has a sister named Dr. Nancy Messonnier. She is the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.Lock them up.
"The More We Know (and notice)..."
Gabby HartVerified account @GabbyNews3LV (https://twitter.com/GabbyNews3LV)
A Las Vegas Man lost his ability to walk, speak & see days after getting the#FluShot (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FluShot?src=hash) Doctors diagnosed him w/ Guillain-Barre syndrome a.k.a GBS. His family says the Flu shot triggered it & the CDC confirms a link, calling it extremely rare. Tune into@News3LV (https://twitter.com/News3LV) @ 6 for more.
Listen to a whistleblower nurse as she describes her experience inside a hospital taking orders to unknowingly force vaccinate patients with the flu shot. Later she describes how The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) has redefined the term “Biologics” being used in hospital consent forms to include vaccines.
A pioneering cancer expert described by the Duke of Cambridge as an “inspiration” died suddenly yesterday after a routine inoculation for yellow fever..
Martin Gore, 67, suffered total organ failure soon after having the jab, which is recommended for travellers to parts of Africa, the Caribbean and South and Central America. His death highlights the increased risks associated with the vaccine for the growing number of older travellers visiting exotic destinations. ...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cancer-pioneer-martin-gore-dies-after-jab-for-yellow-fever-vccwwxdq2
"Are vaccines safe?"Sort of like gambling?
Sometimes yes.
Sometimes no.
Come on, and roll the dice.
Let's go see the show!
An acquaintance of ours had her daughter vaccinated for HPV probably because it was being pushed so hard by the doctors office. We refused it at least 5 times ourselves with our own kids check ups. At any rate she had a bad reaction immediately and within a short time she was very ill with immune system symptoms. She developed rheumatoid arthritis a severe immune system disease that attacks internal organs, joints to the point of deformity and is rarely effectively treated due to the nature of the immune system diseases ability to counteract treatment regimens.HPV vaccination is pushed entirely under the premise of "teenage girls are going to be sexually promiscuous, they need this vaccine to stop themselves getting STDs!". I remember hearing that almost verbatim when I was starting secondary school and they were telling the girls in the class about the vaccine. Any girl who remains chaste, even an unchaste girl who just didn't sleep around with many different guys, has no risk of HPV. There was also a girl in our year who had to quit school for good because she never recovered from severe complications caused by the vaccination. So absolutely not worth it at all.
In case anyone was wondering what the church says about using vaccines containing aborted children's remains;
Childrens Hospital of Philidelphia (https://youtu.be/8lMBzHLB704)
HPV is responsible for deaths and for sterilizationsGirls who suffer from precocious puberty will go through menopause accordingly early. Combine this with societal conditions that make early marriage impossible and the result is greatly reduced number of children.
ARticle says Dr Little is a paediatrician, whereas I believe she is an obstretician and General Practioner.
THe Australian Medical Journal refused to publish her article, but the British MJ accepted it and published.
Study: HPV Vaccine Linked to Premature Menopause in Young Girls
https://healthimpactnews.com/2013/studyhpv-vaccine-linked-to-premature-menopause-in-young-girls/