Author Topic: Are vaccines safe? (Read 107659 times)

Nadir · « **Reply #60 on:** January 09, 2013, 08:55:59 PM »

Quote from: Pelly

Quote from: spouse of Jesus
Vaccines made of aborted fetues are sinful to use. if you ask for the source I will give you.
and "vatican accepts/allows them" is not a valid argument, because vatican allows gαy parade, islamism and pan religious worship too!

@spouse of Jesus The Holy See allows these abominations? No, it can't be true. Are you just kidding? It means that if there's not an ethical alternative, then you need to decide to whether to get your child vaccinated or not.

This organisation, Children of God for Life, has been working on trying to get morally acceptable vax for years. See: http://www.cogforlife.org/vaticanresponse.htm

Robin · « **Reply #61 on:** January 11, 2013, 09:43:23 AM »

For years we did not have all these vaccines. We lived nicely without them. Personally I had the smallpox at 18 months and oral polio at 9 or 10. Other than that nothing....nada... I will be 62 on Saturday. I have had all the flu infections, measles, chicken pox ( age at 32/8wks pregnant with my 6th child). And yes shingles a few years ago....once you have these things you build an immunity to them. In the case of shingles proper and immediate treatment will reduce the risk of getting it again.

Why be injected with toxins masked as prevention? Grown in the cells of aborted children??? Why? Because the government or a doctor said so? I say NO!

Pelly · « **Reply #62 on:** January 12, 2013, 04:42:03 AM »

I've heard that there is a microchip in the Tamiflu shot.

rowsofvoices9 · « **Reply #63 on:** January 12, 2013, 10:35:31 AM »

WHAT'S REALLY IN VACCINES

Facts are particularly stubborn things, and this video shares several facts directly from the Centers for Disease Control's own website. There must be a reason why at least 158 healthcare workers that we know of are refusing vaccines and getting fired for it. Kinda makes you wonder why the CDC is about to recommend that EVERYONE get a mandatory seasonal flu shot doesn't it? - W.E.

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So here we have it! The government KNOWS that vaccines are a total hoax! Secret US government docuмents that YOU can access prove it! According to Mike Adams of Natural News, countless MILLIONS OF CHILDREN are now at tremendous risk of serious side effects and even death from these vaccinations. Meanwhile, the criminal powers that be continue to push them for everything from the flu to mandatory child birth vaccinations. Are vaccinations part of the depopulation agenda? What is REALLY inside of them? The video below examines that in depth.
(NaturalNews) If you have children, you are more than likely already aware of the official U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “Immunization Schedules,” which today recommend an astounding 29 vaccines be given between birth and six years of age, including yearly flu shots, as well as another five to 16 vaccines between ages seven and 18 (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/). But a recent investigative report compiled by Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic, Ph.D., uncovers more than 30 years of hidden government docuмents exposing these vaccine schedules as a complete hoax, not to mention the fraud of the vaccines themselves to provide any real protection against disease. Though her paper focuses primarily on the British health system’s elaborate cover-up of the dirty truth about its own national vaccination program, the tenets of the study’s findings still apply to vaccination schedules in general, which are typically designed for the purpose of serving corporate interests rather than public health. Government authorities, it turns out, in an ongoing bid to satisfy the private goals of the vaccine industry, have deliberately covered up pertinent information about the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines from parents in order to maintain a high rate of vaccination compliance. And in the process, they have put countless millions of children at risk of serious side effects and death.
You can access Dr. Tomljenovic’s full paper here: http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf

http://www.infiltratednation.com/2013/01/whats-really-in-vaccines.html

NatusPrimus · « **Reply #64 on:** February 04, 2013, 11:52:45 PM »

There's a couple at the chapel we go to who are having their first son, so we share a lot of info and our experiences with each other. Both of them are special ed. teachers and told us that 3 out of 4 of their students are boys! They talked about how with girls, you can tell there was truly something biological about their disability that was birth-related, but with the boys, you could tell is was something different and that it wasn't a problem from birth; all of the parents they talk with claim that their sons were affected after being vaccinated.

The wife of this couple told us that researchers and pharmaceuticals know that the mercury in vaccs. bind with testosterone on a molecular level, which prevents the body from processing or filtering the mercury to get rid of it. This mercury then causes neurological damage and mental/physical disabilities. Although there are mercury-free vaccs are out there, sometimes the medical staff lies about giving mercury-free vaccs. You have to tell them that you want to see them draw the vacc. from the small vial, as only the small vials are merc-free; the large vials are mass-produced and contain mercury. Now that American parents are wising-up, Big Pharma has begun shipping its mercury-tainted vaccs overseas to 3rd World countries.

I'll have to ask her for the source, but she specifically mentioned reading about 1 family who settled out of court with a pharm., which supposedly included a gag-order. Another family was using a specialized diet to help rid the mercury, which they noticed their son's improvement...until they stained (sealed?) their outdoor deck. The stain/sealer contained mercury and when their son later walked on it barefoot, his body was absorbing the mercury through his skin. Again, I'll have to ask her for the source.

ShepherdofSheep · « **Reply #65 on:** February 06, 2013, 03:40:27 PM »

I haven't read through this entire thread, but it was very interesting.

I'd like to make a point, however- and I am saying this as a naturally skeptical individual who has never had a vaccination in her life and hasn't died yet from these "dangerous diseases"- I don't think that anybody who has posted in this thread as far as I have read is in a position to really understand how vaccines work, and what happens when adverse reactions occur. I don't think any of us- myself included- is a biochemist, immunologist, virologist, molecular biologist, or even a MD. If there is anybody who is, please chime in!

Just because something is available on the internet doesn't mean that it is true. I really don't believe almost anything I hear about this topic. I believe that vaccines can and do produce adverse reactions in people, and I also think that people are over-vaccinated.

I do not believe that all vaccines in all circuмstances are bad. My experience is primarily in the veterinary field (and I am not a vet- just a student). I can assure you without a doubt that if we did not have enterotoxemia and tetanus vaccines, the losses of livestock due to these two terrible and fatal diseases would be staggering. People ask what happened to livestock before we had vaccines available for rabies, exterotoxemia, brucellosis, tetanus, etc. They died- plain and simple. Probably fewer were infected because we manage them differently now- enterotoxemia and tetanus, for example, are pretty rare in flocks and herds allowed to forage and managed in a nomadic/pasture-based system. But because of how we handle livestock management now, I would say it's practically a necessity. I could give countless stories about very sad situations that were likely very preventable had the proper vaccines been administered correctly.

I don't think that it's all a big conspiracy by the pharm companies, producing these livestock vaccines. Like I said, I don't know much about human medicine.

I am just saying that it is a good idea to do some homework before accepting one person's comment as the absolute truth. And I'm definitely not pro-vaccine- I think they are (morally produced) a wonderful blessing when necessary, but good to avoid when not. I think that most kids who play in the dirt are probably naturally immune to tetanus, for example. And there is a difference here between these livestock vaccines and those for humans. Most vaccines for livestock are for diseases that are FATAL. Usually, most diseases for which people are vaccinated against are NOT. That, or they are so uncommon that the chances of becoming infected are close to nil.

Nadir · « **Reply #66 on:** February 25, 2013, 07:34:42 PM »

Just thought I'd let you all know about these cases of premature menopause in a 16 year old and a 13 year old girl, following vaccination with Gardasil.

http://www.fli.org.au/wp-content/uploads/Lifelines-Vol.-26-No.-1.pdf

Caviezel Fan · « **Reply #67 on:** March 04, 2013, 11:07:24 AM »

I had received the smallpox vaccine when I was about 6, the measles vaccine and polio oral vaccine around that time period as well, and nothing negative happened to me. Maybe the vaccine ingredients have changed since the late 60s, causing more problems with recipients than they did years ago.

Nadir · « **Reply #68 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:55:52 PM »

Quote from: Caviezel Fan

I had received the smallpox vaccine when I was about 6, the measles vaccine and polio oral vaccine around that time period as well, and nothing negative happened to me. Maybe the vaccine ingredients have changed since the late 60s, causing more problems with recipients than they did years ago.

Dear Caviezal Fan,

Welcome to CathInfo forum.

Not everybody is noticeably negatively affected by vaccinations. However there are enough adverse reactions, which are rarely acknowledged, to cause concern.

You will find Vaccine Safety links here:

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The AVN urges you to carefully examine both before making your decision. These websites will give you a good start in seeking out information on the what those who are critical of vaccine benefits and effectiveness have found through research and personal experience. If you feel that an important site is missing from any of our links pages, please leave the link or links in the comment section below.

http://avn.org.au/website-links/vaccine-safety-links/

Caviezel Fan · « **Reply #69 on:** March 05, 2013, 10:57:41 AM »

I am sure there are, Nadir - a lot of people have adverse reactions due to allergies/hypersensitivity. That is really sad to hear about those two teenage girls having such a horrible reaction to the Guadasil vaccinations. No drug or vaccination is 100% side-effect free.

Nadir · « **Reply #70 on:** March 05, 2013, 04:27:36 PM »

Quote from: Caviezel Fan

I am sure there are, Nadir - a lot of people have adverse reactions due to allergies/hypersensitivity. That is really sad to hear about those two teenage girls having such a horrible reaction to the Guadasil vaccinations. No drug or vaccination is 100% side-effect free.

Side-effects with medications are inevitable but we are not here discussing medicines that are therapeutic, and therefore usually fix an already existing problem. Vaccinations are not therapeutic.

And side effects and adverse reactions are routinely denied, to the detriment of health and even the lives of children and others.

Yesterday I was in the pharmacy and I overheard a young woman asking the pharmacist about risks of flu Vax. He totally denied any risk of acquiring flu from the flu vax. The young lady walked out the door at the same time as I did, and I quietly said that she should do a search and suggested a website. Then she said to me "everybody I know who has had the flu vaccination has got sick". Now that little anecdaote is hardly scientific research, nevertheless as you will note if you read some of the links on the page I posted, or even read the whole of this topic, there is quite a lot of evidence to show that vaccination is not quite what it is advertised to be.

Vaccination in the third world has been used surreptitiously to sterilize. That's just one proven fact. Why not here?

Pelly · « **Reply #71 on:** March 06, 2013, 02:41:28 AM »

What? Vaccination as a population control method? I didn't hear about it. If it turns out that these vaccines contain a sterilizing agent, then they should be banned. Also, contraception is not the solution for poverty, for hunger, etc. People need to care less about animals and more about their poor fellows.

Nadir · « **Reply #72 on:** March 06, 2013, 04:16:29 PM »

Quote from: Pelly

What? Vaccination as a population control method? I didn't hear about it. If it turns out that these vaccines contain a sterilizing agent, then they should be banned.

Pelly, here is an article about this from a vaccine related website:
http://thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

and an article from a Catholic pro-life organisation dated 1996:
http://www.pop.org/content/bad-blood-in-the-philippines-1200

Renzo · « **Reply #73 on:** March 07, 2013, 02:22:12 AM »

"IDRC Rep. 1995 Jan;22(4):10.
India's vaccine inventor: Gursaran Talwar.
Rai U.
Abstract
PIP:
Dr Gursaran Talwar, 68, has worked for almost 20 years to find a safe, long-lasting, and reversible contraceptive vaccine. The Director of India's National Institute of Immunology began his research in the mid 1970s with financial support from the Indian government and IDRC. Toxicology studies were conducted for 10 years. The vaccine increases production of antibodies against human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG), a hormone which assists in preparing the uterus for embryo implantation. The vaccine blocks this process and prevents pregnancy. Without the vaccine, 50-75% of embryos fail to be implanted because of antibodies to HCG; with the vaccine, 100% do. The vaccine is administered once a month for 3 months. Although another form of contraception must be used during this time, protection afterwards lasts for a year. Boosters are given annually. In a clinical study of 88 vaccinated women, 1 pregnancy occurred in 821 menstrual cycles. Fertility returns with discontinuation of the vaccinations. Dr Talwar is also working on a contraceptive for the 3-month period using the purified extract of the neem tree, a male contraceptive, a treatment for prostate cancer, and a vaccine against leprosy.
PMID: 12288547 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12288547

Dr. (creepy) Talwar is a Legion of Honour recipient, the highest decoration in France.

"Prof. Dr. G. P. Talwar, B.Sc(Hons), M.Sc (Tech) served as the Head of Biochemistry at All India Institute of Medical Science, New Delhi (AIIMS). Prof. Dr. Talwar served as the Head of Research and Training Centre in Immunology of WHO for India and South East Asia, Professor of Eminence and Senior Consultant, International Centre for Genetic Engineering and Bio Technology, New Delhi. He served as an Independent Non Executive Director of Ahlcon Parenterals (India) Ltd. from January 30, 2002 to November 9, 2012 and has been very instrumental in advising it on new product development. He is the Founder Director of National Institute of Immunology. He serves as Director of Talwar Research Foundation. He has been bestowed with several prestigious Honours and Awards by many premier organizations at national and international level. He is a Padma Bhushan and Officerde la Legion d' Honour. Prof. Dr. Talwar has the qualifications of B. Sc (Hons.), M.Sc (Tech.) and Docteures Sciences (Sorbonne)."

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=45329510&ticker=AHP:IN&previousCapId=13501124&previousTitle=AHLCON%20PARENTERALS%20(INDIA)

Birth Control Vaccine Sought

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2002&dat=19730821&id=E4MkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ANoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2430,1206189

Renzo · « **Reply #74 on:** March 07, 2013, 02:39:11 AM »

"For over 20 years, աօʀʟd ɦɛaʟtɦ օʀɢaռiʐatɨօռ has been deeply involved in researching ways to make women's bodies reject their own children."

"Dr. Gursaran Prasad Talwar. Talwar, the founder of the National Institute of Immunology in New Delhi, India, is generally acknowledged to be the “father” of research into abortifacient vaccines."

"Philippine women may have been unwittingly vaccinated against their own children, a recent study conducted by the Philippine Medical Association (PMA) has indicated."

"But from the point of view of numerous Filipinas, the most disturbing allegation against Talwar is that he has, in the past, tested his abortifacient vaccines on women without first testing them on animals. Both Indian researchers and WHO officials are on record as declaring that such abuses have occurred. Their testimony has helped fire opposition to the vaccine, especially on the part of women's groups."

http://www.pop.org/content/bad-blood-in-the-philippines-1200