Author Topic: Are vaccines safe? (Read 101067 times)

Maizar · « **Reply #45 on:** February 27, 2012, 04:55:57 AM »

Hi Aussiemum,

We had the same problems and so took our children out of childcare (it ended up cheaper to hire someone at home in any case, paradoxically). After that we had nearly zero illnesses in a whole year. The viruses have a latent phase so they spread before the child has symptoms, and some survive just long enough on surfaces like trolley handles and the rails of escalators to spread. But it's usually toys, and parents who lie about their kid's health due to work pressures.

Also, not all vaccines give life long immunity (in some people they don't even work), but having had some exposure to the antigen, the body is faster in responding to the real virus and so you only get mildly sick. And how a child reacts to anything is a bit unpredictable because the immune system of each person is differently honed - some people react violently to a virus whereas others have hardly a sniffle. That's part of the "herd survival" build into our genes.

It's worth remembering that the two biggest things that have improved the health and survival of people in the modern world were sanitation and nutrition. Vaccines are often credited with the success too, but I'm not so sure they are that important. Because we don't see any of those viruses anymore (when did you last see 1% of your city's childhood population die of Measles?) it's easy to consider vaccines as risky and bad. It's a gamble that people in the past were more than willing to take, just not so much today.

I have read the various articles that are around like "The Vaccine Hoax", and I sort of half believe them. What worries me is that something like a mass vaccination program is a huge vulnerability in a society. What if someone got in and did something to those vaccines... when would we find out about it?

Robin · « **Reply #46 on:** March 25, 2012, 08:38:58 PM »

Years ago...and not that many years ago vaccines were available that were not growth in tissues of aborted children. That being said most today are grown in this. Several years ago the Angelus featured an article about the danger of vaccines. If you check out the Angelus Press I am sure you can find the issue and obtain a copy. I have it here ...somewhere. However, you need to search your heart and your soul and make the decision for yourself for you and your own children. Some years ago our daughter, now 14, who had been immunized for Hamephilous B was quite ill. Our ENT decided to culture this infection only to find out that it was Hamephilous B , if he had not she would have went into mennigitis. I checked out her vaccination record only to learn that the vaccines given to her were found not to adequate to protect children...that being said...I have lost faith in vaccines as well. A friend gets a flu vaccination every year and every year she winds up with a terrible flu....I do not get the vaccine nor the flu.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #47 on:** April 07, 2012, 10:37:41 AM »

No shots.

I am not a scientist, but I know better than to subject my children to something surrounded by so much controversy.

Everyone knows the doctors, insurance companies, and pharma are all in bed together.

And their revenues/incomes are all tied together.

You should have seen the perplexed look on our former pediatrician's face when I asked him to explain why my pregnant wife cannot even have a tuna sandwhich because of the possibility it might contain a minute trace of mercury, but paradoxically, I should not be concerned to give my infant son a flu shot which contains a significantly higher amount of liquid mercury.

No answer (or attempt to answer) was offered.

But I already know the answer: Doctors lose significant revenues if even a small percentage of their patients refuse vaccinations.

You can read about it here:

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/vaccines/do-doctors-have-financial-incentive-get-their-patients-fully-vaccinated

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #48 on:** June 27, 2012, 11:55:41 AM »

Vaccines kill.

SaintBasil · « **Reply #49 on:** June 27, 2012, 01:43:28 PM »

GOD gave us all we ned to survive.

Jєωs tat control our medical industry, wreck havoc on our physical health with vacccines and other 'cures'.

It is no coincidence that autism is now 1 in 80.

NO VACCINES!

Nylndech · « **Reply #50 on:** June 27, 2012, 07:27:46 PM »

I was a child in a time when there was little suspicion of vaccines. I've had various kinds of vaccinations and I've never had any unusual health concerns. I never took a flu vaccine and never had the flu either.

1917 · « **Reply #51 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:01:37 AM »

Scrubbed from the internet within days - Mercola link, sorry if you've already seen

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/23/merck-vaccine-fraud-story-buried.aspx?e_cid=20120723_DNL_artNew_1

I vaccinated my first during the first year - I believe she got whooping cough as at night I had to sit up with her to help her breath in between coughs, it lasted a very few days - and then really started reading...

Every midwife after that would badger me but I said no to any more vaccines.

The rest had nothing, not even tetanus. The youngest is 15 and I have had no complications. They've had mumps, rubella, chicken pox (very mild!) and lots of colds ... as I did not keep a diary who knows what else. All I can say though is that the less you worry the better.

Ideas for keeping a temprature down (not tried but got off the internet), eggs whites on the soles - it helps to take the temperature away from the head and down to the feet where it can do no damage.

I put them on their tummies to sleep, they slept with me for the first 6 months and they were kept warmer than the doctors tell you. I stopped listening to doctors and started listening to my feelings and other mum's experiences.

Nadir · « **Reply #52 on:** September 07, 2012, 04:59:04 AM »

Quote from: aussiemum

My own children aged now 2 and 1 years old were somewhat different to each other when it came to vaccinations.
I can only speak for myself here and also what I have seen as a former childcare worker-
our son was fully vaccinated for his first year. However, in this time he suffered severe conjutivitis after his 1st vaccination, his 2nd vaccination at 6 weeks cause conjunctivitis AGAIN and a minor- moderate flu symptoms- with his 4 month vaccination (the same vaccination as the 2nd vaccination-2 month vaccination) he ended up in hospital for a whole week hooked up to tubes fighting to survive with Bronchiolitis apparently the result of the vaccination but supposedly chances of this happening are low- though do happen. Since then has had asthma caused by the bronchiolitis and also got bronchiolits 6 more times by the end of his first year- he had a bad immune system also. We didnt take him to have anymore vaccinations after his 12 month shot and his immune system has picked up BIG TIME, he is a healthy happy boy and his asthma is now almost non-existant. Our 2nd child had her in hospital vaccination which made her EXTREMLY irritable and fussy- she would SCREAM almost 24/7 and she would rarely sleep unless she was with us- this caused some difficulty as you can imagine- we sought help and were told she was a high dependancy baby who will eventually grow out of it but babies like her usually can be un-consollable and its best to either sleep in her room with her or have her in our room with us because no amount of sleep training would solve the issue- apparently babies with such issue usually have to GROW out of it. She did by the age of about 4-5 months and was in her own cot in her own room sleeping through the night.
Then by her 2 month vaccination (2nd vaccination) she had this and went from perfectly healthy to in hospital having mucas cleared from her airways so she could breath within 24 hours of her vaccination (the same one our son got bad flu like symptoms with and then bronchiolitis with the 4 month one) .
So we didnt take her to have another vaccination.
And you know what she has had only 2 vaccinations out of the several within the first year and she is the HEALTHIEST person in our house even our family (that includes our parents and siblings who are fully vaccinated- yet despite vaccination managed to catch things like whooping cough) she rarely gets anything and when she does she has it for 24-48 hours and its gone just like that. Her 12 month health check and my sons 2 year health check(both NOT UP TO DATE with vaccinations and are NOT HAVING THEM) are in perfect health- developing perfectly in fact the are ABOVE average including my daughter (who ONLY had the 2 vaccinations) who is also HUGELY above average in height and weight for her age- already close to the size of her brother who is also slightly above average in size and he is 13 months (over a year) older than her.
We have also been exposed to things like whooping cough (by vaccinated people mind you) etc where the moment we found out about the exposure we got antibiotics straight away and then quarantined ourselves for the incubation and contagious periods but so far no dramas at all.
So nothing bad for us so far from stopping vaccination if anything BIG improvements on all boards.
On my experience as a former childcare worker with 5years experience in the industry I have NEVER worked in a centre that had a child that was not vaccinated or not up to date with vaccinations yet children at the centres still managed to get and spread these vaccination preventable diseases amongst other things despite good hygiene practices done by the centres and also proper exclusion periods in place.
Good luck though

Dear Aussie Mum,

Have you reported all these adverse events to any authority? Each state must collect this information.

If you get fobbed off, and even if you don’t, make sure you contact Meryl Dorey of Australian Vaccination Network, Old Byron Bay Road, Newrybar, NSW, 2479, phone (02) 6687 1699 as her organisation collects such information. It helps to keep the health authorities up to the mark, and honest (if that is possible). I just tried to google the website address and instead got the first four pages of anti-AVN propaganda. and stop the AVN campaigns

They must be winning in the fight for informed decision-making and the right to choose or refuse vaccination. They were taken to court and won the case on being able to continue their work. It is extremely important that they are supported.

After a very difficult search, I have found their website. I strongly suggest you save it in your favourites because it’s hard to get otherwise. Looks they they are under attack from all sides. Here it is: http://www.www.avn.org.au/

Conspiracy_Factist · « **Reply #53 on:** September 22, 2012, 07:20:00 AM »

i strongly suggest supplementing your children with a good vitamin c product..and ofcourse don't take any vaccines

Innit · « **Reply #54 on:** October 01, 2012, 03:46:24 AM »

meh...it's all just propaganda boys and girls. Vaccines are fun innit? :gandalf:

Nadir · « **Reply #55 on:** October 15, 2012, 09:34:47 PM »

Teenage Girl Becomes Infertile after Gardasil Vaccination http://www.pop.org/content/teenage-girl-becomes-infertile-after-gardasil-vaccination

See also Premature ovarian failure 3 years after menarche in a 16-year-old girl following human papillomavirus vaccination,
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2012/bcr-2012-006879.abstract

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #56 on:** October 18, 2012, 12:43:25 PM »

Quote from: Nadir

Teenage Girl Becomes Infertile after Gardasil Vaccination http://www.pop.org/content/teenage-girl-becomes-infertile-after-gardasil-vaccination

See also Premature ovarian failure 3 years after menarche in a 16-year-old girl following human papillomavirus vaccination,
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2012/bcr-2012-006879.abstract

I didn't read the thread but the answer to the question is "no".

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #57 on:** October 19, 2012, 12:22:00 PM »

The big picture: vaccines, corporate controlled gmo food, geoengineering, etc = serious "depopulation" efforts by those who serve the enemy.
Put on your armor (Sunday's Epistle), but if martyrdom is His Will, rejoice.

drivocek · « **Reply #58 on:** December 29, 2012, 02:13:19 PM »

Quote from: AnaA

What about the flu vaccine that's now being promoted? Is that going to be safe?

NO! Do not take the flu vaccine. Someone overheard a conversation between a lady (am well known figure in our hometown society) and a doctor who advised her in whispered tones NOT to take the vaccine as it was "doctored." Unintended pun.

Quantum potes, Tantum Aude.

Pelly · « **Reply #59 on:** January 09, 2013, 12:10:50 PM »

Quote from: spouse of Jesus

Vaccines made of aborted fetues are sinful to use. if you ask for the source I will give you.
and "vatican accepts/allows them" is not a valid argument, because vatican allows gαy parade, islamism and pan religious worship too!

@spouse of Jesus The Holy See allows these abominations? No, it can't be true. Are you just kidding? It means that if there's not an ethical alternative, then you need to decide to whether to get your child vaccinated or not. (Anyways, I think that the Holy See is not in favour of gαy parades, though NO. Also, the Church is independent from secular powers)
BTW I've heard that somebody became diabetic after a tick-borne encephalitis shot. The phenomeon of pathogen-induced autoimmune disease is terrible. My former grammar and literature teacher's graddaugter developed celiac disease and diabetes type 1 after getting sick from calicivirus. And she is just in kindergarten! Her childhood is ruined, because she can't eat sweets, has to do that painful routine. If she want to eat sweets, she will need to expose herself to additives (not all sweeteners are additives). So the best thing is a permanent Langerhans implantation (how can I do it to her for free? I'm not a good surgeon, I'm not a surgeon at all) plus a bowel transplant (if the celiac disease (PI(Pathogen-Induced)CD) she have is curable with a bowel transplant, since I think that a deformed tTg gene alters the structure of the enzyme transglutaminase, thus resembing a virus protein and triggering the reaction...).
So I think that persons with familiar history of CD or other autoimmune diseases from both lineage should avoid vaccines.