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Offline budDude

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Re: Are vaccines safe?
« Reply #240 on: December 01, 2017, 10:03:10 AM »
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  • Vaccine will save the life of your child.
    They don't necessarily need the chickenpox virus, but vaccines against polio, measles, mumps will save your child and are NOT made from aborted fetuses. They are usually made in eggs now. Please please please speak with a professional who is well educated about this topic (an MD or a DO NOT a nurse or nurse practitioner).

    “As people’s fears of the diseases abated, their concerns for the side-effects of the vaccine increased.” Peter Parham

    Many of you have not seen polio or smallpox. Google them. You have internet.
    We have now eradicated smallpox and polio due to vaccines.
    A Common myth exposed as a Lie today.  Clean water, sanitation and quarantine were the real reason for the decline of illness.
    Not innoculations full of poisons and toxic chemicals.



    Offline Maria Regina

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    Re: Are vaccines safe?
    « Reply #241 on: December 02, 2017, 03:26:36 PM »
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  •  My Routine Doctor Visit Turned Into A Hostage Situation Over Vaccines
     December 1, 2017

    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/my-routine-doctor-visit-turned-into-a-hostage-situation-over-vaccines/
     
    My Routine Doctor Visit Turned Into A Hostage Situation Over Vaccines

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    By Dana A., Natural Blaze

    Almost 10 years ago when my children were toddlers I took my oldest daughter who was four to Matthews Children’s Clinic in Matthews, NC for strep throat.

    We had just moved to NC and I had only been to this office a few times and saw a male doctor. I believe it was on a Monday when I took my oldest in. Then about three days later my youngest daughter also came down with it. The male doctor was not available and I didn’t think it was a big deal to see a different doctor because it was to me a clear case of strep.
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    The female doctor came into the exam room and asked why we were there. I told her strep and about how my oldest was just in the other day. Upon taking the throat swab she asked if I wanted to get my daughter up to date on her vaccines. I replied “not today”. That was the end of the discussion… so I thought. The doctor left the room with the swab.

    Shortly after she returned with a full needle in hand… READY TO INJECT!! Open, tip not covered and full. She came into the room, shut the door, spread out in front of it BLOCKING it, and said “she’s not leaving until she’s up to date”. ...

    Thank the Angels for knocking me out of it. I grabbed my phone that was sitting there and said “if you don’t let us pass I’m calling the police”.
    She looked at me, huffed, turned and stormed out of the room slamming the door on her way out.

    I grabbed my daughter and went to the front desk where they were already waiting to check me out. I was young and scared. I was also ashamed that we were not vaccinating back then I didn’t know anyone who wasn’t and had no support. So I thought I was alone and even though I knew I was doing the right thing for my kids I still felt ashamed by society and now this doctor. I just paid the co-pay and left.
    My daughter was NOT treated for strep either. No prescription or anything. I was left humiliated and with a sick kid.

    The very next day I received a letter in the mail that I had been kicked out of the practice. That fast. That is the day I became my families healer. I have never looked back. My kids have never been to a pediatrician nor western medical doctor since.
    A similar situation happened to me when my child had a serious reaction to the DDP (half dose).  I was able to find an anti-vax doctor.

    Lord have mercy.


    Offline Nadir

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    Re: Are vaccines safe?
    « Reply #242 on: December 05, 2017, 04:10:39 PM »
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  • Interesting way of looking at it:
    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/the-occult-archetype-called-vaccination-2/

    The occult archetype called vaccination
    by Jon Rappoport
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    The occult archetype called vaccination
    By Jon Rappoport
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    In many past articles, I’ve taken apart the so-called science of vaccines and shown how deceptive it is. Here I take another approach: examining the archetypes and symbols that surround vaccination and give it occult power.
    Begun as a crude version of homeopathy (“treat like with like”), in which a mild injected version of a disease would supposedly protect against the actual disease, vaccination soon developed into a military outpost, with the commander ordering the appearance of his scouts: antibodies. “Line up men, now hunt!”
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    Today, as a revival of ancient symbology, vaccination is a conferred seal, a sign of moral righteousness. It’s a mark on the arm, signifying tribal inclusion. No tribe member is left out. Inclusion by vaccination protects against invisible spirits (viruses).
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    The notion of the tribe is enforced by dire predictions of pandemics: the spirits of other tribes (from previously unknown hot zones in jungles) are attacking the good tribe, our tribe.
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    Mothers, the keepers of the children, are given a way to celebrate their esteemed, symbolic, animal role as “lionesses”: confer the seal on their offspring through vaccination. Protect the future of the tribe. Speak out and defame and curse the mothers who don’t vaccinate their children. Excommunicate them from the tribe.
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    The ceremony of vaccination is a rite of passage for the child. He/she is now more than the offspring of the parents. The child is in the village. The child is property of the village (the State). As the years pass, periodic booster shots reconfirm this status.
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    Some ancient rituals presented dangers. The child, on his way to becoming a man, would be sent out to live alone in the forest for a brief period and survive. Vaccination symbolizes this in a passive way: the injection of disease-viruses which might be harmful are transmuted into protective spirits in the body. The injection of toxic chemicals is a passageway into immunity. If a child is damaged in the process, the parents and the tribe consider it a tragic but acceptable risk, because on the whole the tribe and the village are protected against the evil spirits (viruses).
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    The psychological and occult and archetypal impact of vaccination is key: modern parents are given the opportunity to feel, on a subconscious level, a return to older times, when life was more bracing and immediate and vital. That is the mythology. Modern life, for basic consumers, has fewer dimensions---but vaccination awakens sleeping memories of an age when ritual and ceremony were essential to the future of the group. No one would defect from these moments. Refusal was unthinkable. Survival was All. The mandate was powerful. On a deep level, parents today can experience that power. It is satisfying.
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    The doctor giving the injections is, of course, the priest of the tribe, the medicine man, the holder of secrets. He is the spiritual source of, and connection to, “unseen realms” where opposing spirits carry out warfare and struggle for supremacy. Without the medicine man, the tribe would disintegrate.
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    The medicine man is permitted to say and do anything. He can tell lies if lies serve a noble purpose and effect greater strength of the tribe. He can manipulate language and truth and meaning. He can turn day into night. He can present paradox and contradiction. No one can question his pronouncements.
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    Loyalty to the medicine man is absolute. In this regard, a rebel is exiled or destroyed.
    People living today in industrial and technological societies are relatively numb. Their options and choices seem confined to a range of products they can buy. They yearn for absolutes. They want a command, from the medicine man, which taps into the adrenaline-stimulating need for, and risk to, survival.
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    The demand for vaccination, along with the ever-present threat of illness and outbreak and pandemic, awakens that need and risk.
    Modern parents need archetypes and symbols of demon spirits. Viruses. Ebola, Zika, West Nile, SARS, Swine Flu. These spirits are unseen. They could attack. They do attack.
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    “We must go the medicine man for the ritual to protect us from the demons. He will put the seal of protection on us and our children.”
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    Then there are the shameful marks, which are to be avoided in every way possible. A child who shows the rashes and swellings of illnesses is highly suspect. Did he not participate in the protective ritual? Are his parents evil? Are they possessed? Should the child and his parents be shunned? Will the medicine man help them or lay an irreversible curse on them for defecting?
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    Subconsciously and archetypally, the “modern science of vaccination” is doctrine. It is alchemy. It is magic. Going against the magic is tantamount to trying to overturn the very basis of life in the tribe.
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    In the extreme view, rebels are promoters of evil spirits (viruses). They are infectors. They transmit evil spirits throughout the tribe and the village. They cause people to fall ill and die. Yes, the medicine man is doing all he can to protect his people (through vaccination), but this is war. Nothing is guaranteed. The evil spirits are arrayed against the medicine man. We must help him and bolster his power and advantage. We have our role to play. He is the hero. Cling to the hero. Praise him.
    In the fullness of time, do whatever we can to increase his glory. He is engaged in an occult struggle on levels we cannot hope to fathom. On our behalf. In the tribe.

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    His many remedies (incomprehensible to us) are walking a fine line. Because of their power, they have risks (side effects). These risks are numerous. Every night in collective meetings (television ads), we are told of the numerous problems that could arise (ask your doctor if X is right for you). But the impact of hearing these warnings is extremely positive, because we feel the danger, and feeling the danger is what we need and want, because, again, we are in a war against the evil spirits---and the sensation of risk is preferable to feeling nothing. Give us more warnings, and let us experience a return to ancient days when we lived on the edge of extinction and knew the blood coursing through our veins was alive.
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    It takes a village. We are the tribe. We are the warriors.
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    The needle is the magic transmitter. The plunger of the syringe is the force. The fluid in the syringe is the alchemical transformer. Be silent in their presence. Accept their mysterious grace.

    Offline Smedley Butler

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    Re: Are vaccines safe?
    « Reply #243 on: December 22, 2017, 01:30:36 PM »
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  • No, vaccines are not safe.

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    Re: Are vaccines safe?
    « Reply #244 on: December 31, 2017, 04:17:59 PM »
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  • Doctors questioning Gardasil
    Below are just a few of the well respected Dr's who either question, or downright deny the effeciacy, need and safety of Gardasil.
    There are many, many more Dr's speaking out about the dangers of the Gardasil vaccine, and we will continue to add information about them on this page
    Dr Deirdre Little
    Dr Little is an Australian Doctor who is questioning the efficiacy and safety of the Gardasil vaccine.  She now has three teenage clients suffering with Idiopathic Premature Ovarian Failure, following the Gardasil vaccine
    Dr Littles concerns are as follows:
    • HPV DNA has now been detected in multiple vaccine vials from multiple countries in two separate studies
    • There is no female assessment of reproductive safety, either in pre-clinical (rodent) studies or in clinical studies
    • Reading of VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting systems – USA) to me as a GP suggests patterns
    • Some gastro-intestinal problems have presented as reflux and gone on to inflammatory bowel disease. Concern about Gastrointestinal complications presenting initially as reflux and progressing on to a diagnosis of inflammatory bowel disease
    • Three teenage clients with idiopathic premature menopause (and unrecordable levels of Anti-Mullerian hormone, an indicator of ovarian reserve) developing after Human papilloma virus vaccination have presented to her practice
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    Some very worrying information from Dr Little herself:
    "In my work, published in the British medical Journal, I applied under FOI (Freedom of Information) for Pre-clinical studies on rodents regarding histology of reproductive organs of vaccine tested female rats...
    There were none. 
    There were also no studies of their subsequent fertility, ie how many baby rats did they have in subsequent litters? How many litters did they subsequently have etc.
    Nil available.
    The FOI reference is listed in the work I had published in the British Medical Journal
    The FOI identification number is not shown on the TGA website because Merck Sharp and Dohme said my application was commercially sensitive.  I have documentation of this from Luke Hartsuyker, our local MP"
     
    Below are some excellent reports in relation to Gardasil, and Dr Littles plight to question the safety and efficiecy of this vaccine. 
    Article 1 - Response to the fourth Brighton Collaboration Journal Club reviews on BMJ case presentation by Dr Little and Dr Ward
    Article 2 - 18th COGI Congress Vienna, October 26th 2013[/size][/font][/size][/color]
     
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    http://www.mygardasilstory.com/dr-s-against-gardasil


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    Re: Are vaccines safe?
    « Reply #245 on: January 29, 2018, 01:37:04 AM »
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  • It's all been said in this thread, but here's a good, short summary of the problems with vaccinating your children.

    http://deeprootsathome.com/parents-vaccinate/
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum Ergo

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    Re: Are vaccines safe?
    « Reply #246 on: January 29, 2018, 07:51:12 PM »
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  • The chart in #5 of that article is basically "how to make a deceptive graph"-101. 

    Here is a blown up version of the Polio chart from there (Polio deaths per year, data from CDC same as the article you linked)




    And sure, if you look at that, the vaccine looks unrelated to the decline of Polio. Now let's look at another chart, from the same exact data source.



    And that looks a little different. There was a drop in 53, an uptick in 54, and a sharp drop after that. The data is clearly noisy, but you get the point. It's easy to cherrypick data to push an agenda, but there are dozens of examples of countries that began mass vaccination against specific diseases and eradicated them very quickly. For example (Polio again, in Italy):




    There are plenty of valid reasons to argue that the full modern vaccine program is excessive and partly unnecessary, but there is NO legitimate way to argue that vaccines are not a valid and extremely effective way to combat some diseases, and to do so is to spit in the face of one of the most tremendous accomplishments of the medical profession.

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    Re: Are vaccines safe?
    « Reply #247 on: January 29, 2018, 09:20:51 PM »
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  • Pretty graphs, NoOneImportant. 

    The drop in Polio cases was more related to the redefinition of polio by the US government in 1955.


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    According to Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Department of Biostatistics of the University of North Carolina School of Public Health:
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    In order to qualify for classification as paralytic poliomyelitis, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for at least 60 days after the onset of the disease. Prior to 1954, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for only 24 hours. Laboratory confirmation and the presence of residual paralysis were not required. After 1954, residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days and again 50 to 70 days after the onset of the disease. This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer lasting paralysis.1
    As I wrote in my piece “The Salk ‘Miracle’ Myth“…
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    Under the new definition of polio, thousands of cases which would have previously been counted as polio would no longer be counted as polio. The change in the definition laid the groundwork for creating the impression that the Salk vaccine was effective.4 
    http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/


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    Re: Are vaccines safe?
    « Reply #248 on: January 29, 2018, 09:33:59 PM »
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  • Oh, and this: https://vactruth.com/2015/07/05/cdc-made-polio-disappear/

    The CDC Made These Two Radical Changes and 30,000 Diagnoses of Polio Instantly Disappeared

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    Re: Are vaccines safe?
    « Reply #249 on: January 29, 2018, 11:56:13 PM »
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  • There's always another excuse... I clearly demonstrated that the article above was deliberately misleading, and now the story changes...

    Leaving aside the fact that I can find NO evidence of the supposed redefinition of Polio, that still doesn't explain the multiple other countries that show similar trends after the vaccine was systematically introduced, some long after 1955 (see Italy graph in my previous post). 

    But no, it must have been a conspiracy by those pesky big-pharma companies. Let it never be said that any doctor not peddling herbal remedies might have actually contributed something to humanity.

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    Re: Are vaccines safe?
    « Reply #250 on: February 19, 2018, 02:57:39 AM »
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  • Leaving aside the fact that I can find NO evidence of the supposed redefinition of Polio,
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     Let it never be said that any doctor not peddling herbal remedies might have actually contributed something to humanity.
    What relevance have herbal remedies to the present topic? You cannot have looked too hard for the evidence of the redefinition of Polio. Are you in the pay of the pharmaceutical industry?

    The following article contains a link to the original “Present Status of Polio Vaccines” report by Dr. Herbert Ratner (published 1960). Very interesting, in looking it over, that it admits both polio and infectious hepatitis were already “in a natural decline” at the time the Salk vaccine was introduced:
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    The CDC, polio and the false history of vaccines …
     http://www.naturalnews.com/050742_medical_history_CDC_polio.html

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    The following is from “The Vaccine Guide” by Randall Neustaedter:
    Dr. Bernard Greenberg, a biostatistics expert, was chairman of the Committee on Evaluation and Standards of the American Public Health Association during the 1950s. He testified at a panel discussion that was used as evidence for the congressional hearings on polio vaccine in 1962. During these hearings he elaborated on the problems associated with polio statistics and disputed claims for the vaccine’s effectiveness. He attributed the dramatic decline in polio cases to a change in reporting practices by physicians. Less cases were identified as polio after the vaccination for very specific reasons.
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    “Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidizing the cost of hospitalization and was being community-minded in reporting a communicable disease. The criterion of diagnosis at that time in most health departments followed the World Health Organization definition: “Spinal paralytic poliomyelitis: signs and symptoms of nonparalytic poliomyelitis with the addition of partial or complete paralysis of one or more muscle groups, detected on two examinations at least 24 hours apart.”
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    Note that “two examinations at least 24 hours apart” was all that was required. Laboratory confirmation and presence of residual paralysis was not required.
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    In 1955 the criteria were changed to conform more closely to the definition used in the 1954 field trials: residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days after onset of illness and again 50 to 70 days after onset….
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    This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer-lasting paralysis.
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    Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be refined. Coxsackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from paralytic poliomyelitis. .
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    Prior to 1954 large numbers of these cases undoubtedly were mislabeled as paralytic poliomyelitis. Thus, simply by changes in diagnostic criteria, the number of paralytic cases was predetermined to decrease in 1955-1957, whether or not any vaccine was used.
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    Check out the book Dissolving Illusions by Dr. Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk. Chapter 12 is The “Disappearance” of Polio.

    You can order it through through CathInfo.

     


     

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