Author Topic: Are vaccines safe? (Read 115325 times)

Matthew · « **Reply #15 on:** September 26, 2009, 05:08:21 PM »

I was vaccinated as a child as well -- but you know what? 1985 is not 2005. A lot has changed in the last 20 years, including the number of vaccinations on the normal schedule!

I've seen the list -- WOW! They might as well install a PIC line in the child's arm so they can just dump that garbage in easier. The kids are theoretically supposed to look like swiss cheese by the age of 10, according to these schedules.

And nevermind the fact that some of them are vaccinating against diseases that aren't an issue for most decent people (HEP B) or for those with morals (Human Papilloma Virus).

They want to vaccinate every 12 year old girl because, after all, she's going to be a slut, right? And a slut at age 12 or 13, too -- because even the makers of Gardasil admit that the vaccine only covers you for a few years. So what about those who (wisely) wait until later, or until marriage as they're supposed to? No protection at all -- just a bunch of risk (including death) for an expensive vaccine.

Matthew

Belloc · « **Reply #16 on:** November 18, 2009, 08:14:23 AM »

Quote from: Regina

What do you mean that they are not effective? I have not seen any evidence of this, except for the need for a booster as an adult.

There are 200+ strands of the flu, the vaccine prior to the fad-flu of the swine only took care of 1-2 strands.....studies now saying swine flu vaccine is not affective at all..so, he is right....

Better to eat healthy food, exercise, get rest and vitamin D....and of course pray and entrust to God........

Belloc · « **Reply #17 on:** November 18, 2009, 09:01:16 AM »

No, most are dangerous and the majority counter-productive....a few are better than alternative of the disease, but we waaay over-facinate people.....

I am 38 and had a handful, spread over 2 yrs....now you get a boatload pre-2 yrs of age.......

Know a MD that is against majority of vaccines, he showed me the schedule that babies get now and his on immunizations from borth in 1964-very astounding.

Pluse his research into the chmicals-a ton of phmaldhide(?) nad mercury...

also, know a woman that took her baby to her MD to get teh shots-this is in mid-1980's...he got the boat load, was perfectly healthy and died on the way home...she thought it was SIDS then, but now as a RN, she realizes it was the vaccines themselves.......

Belloc · « **Reply #18 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:01:56 AM »

He advises caution, weighing hte vaccine side effects vs the disease......

Cannot recall now which ones, but definately not the flu vaccines......

Belloc · « **Reply #19 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:39:54 AM »

some good points, esp too if said vaccine obtained through immoral means-ie, aborted baibes......

greenhill · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:31:19 PM »

I just found that out and was sickened. That some vaccines are made with substances from aborted foetuses!!!

How can you tell which are, do you know?

Also the same with skin creams, etc?

Petertherock · « **Reply #21 on:** January 08, 2010, 05:16:33 PM »

This is something to think about...he might be whacked out, or he might be on to something...it's well worth the 45 minutes or so to watch the whole program. It's about how a group of the most powerful people in the world are trying to kill of billions of people to make the world more manageable for one world government and to turn us all into slaves.

Here is the 6 part youtube clip...

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #22 on:** January 10, 2010, 02:45:42 AM »

Quote from: greenhill

I just found that out and was sickened. That some vaccines are made with substances from aborted foetuses!!!

How can you tell which are, do you know?

Also the same with skin creams, etc?

There are some (probably illegal) skin 'creams' and products usually from the Caribbean. None of those products are available here (legally) I'm fairly sure of that.

As for the vaccines, it's not exactly aborted babies being ground into vaccines.

There are a few cell lines that are used in the production of certain vaccines (examples, Rabies, Rubella, and I'm not sure about varicella aka 'chicken pox,' I'd have to look) that were originally derived from aborted fetal tissue.

In the case of two major cell lines, they were derived from fetuses that were infected with Rubella, which is nearly always fatal to unborn children. In fact, this is the reason we vaccinate for Rubella, not because you or I cannot handle it (or even kids) but because a pregnant woman's fetus that gets infected with Rubella will almost certainly die.

I'm not going to speculate about whether the aborted fetuses would have 'died anyway' since that wouldn't make it any less of an abortion, but if one is truly concerned about new abortions then one should get the Rubella vaccine, because it would most certainly result in abortions or at the very least dead babies if we have an epidemic of Rubella.

A couple of the most common cell lines were obtained from abortions that took place in the 60's, of Rubella infected fetuses.

I believe there is another cell line that was not from an infected fetus, but was a 'voluntary reduction' (hate that term), but I'd have to do some searching to find out which one it is, and which vaccines it was involved in.

However, it's worth pointing out that today's cells are many, many, many, many 'generations' removed from those cells, it's not as if it is the actual cells from the 1960's themselves.

Hopefully you don't get rabies, since there's no alternative, but for MMR there was an 'alternative' where the Rubella component contained none of this for people with such objections. They have since stopped making it due to low demand.

It's worth pointing out also, if you have access, and even though it it not licensed in the US (not that meaningful) the Japanese vaccine contains no aborted cell lines. It's at least as 'safe' as the US version (however safe you think vaccines are), as it is given to an entire country.

clare · « **Reply #23 on:** January 11, 2010, 04:50:58 AM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

In the case of two major cell lines, they were derived from fetuses that were infected with Rubella, which is nearly always fatal to unborn children. In fact, this is the reason we vaccinate for Rubella, not because you or I cannot handle it (or even kids) but because a pregnant woman's fetus that gets infected with Rubella will almost certainly die.

I gather the unborn baby is only affected if the mother gets rubella. If the mother had already had rubella as a child, the baby would be safe.

Children don't seem to get rubella these days though, for some reason...

In my opinion, children should get rubella naturally, and develop a long lasting (no need for boosters) immunity, and if a lady still hasn't had it by the time she is grown up, perhaps a vaccine (ethical) might be worth considering. Even then, I'm sceptical.

When my daughter got chicken pox a few years ago, I so hoped it was German measles. Fat chance, while no other children get the chance to get it.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #24 on:** January 14, 2010, 01:31:47 AM »

People talk a lot about 'boosters' as evidence that vaccines do not work somehow.

First, not all vaccines require 'boosters' after the initial series.

Secondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened. Another point there is that some late life illnesses like Post-polio Syndrome and Shingles are, in fact, the childhood illness rearing their ugly heads again.

Point being, conferring immunity is an imperfect thing, people make a bigger deal of of it than they probably should.

clare · « **Reply #25 on:** January 14, 2010, 07:09:39 AM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

Secondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened...

Does that never happen with vaccinations?

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #26 on:** January 17, 2010, 04:04:22 AM »

Quote from: clare

Quote from: Iuvenalis
Secondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened...

Does that never happen with vaccinations?

I am quite certain you do not understand the point I made at all.

clare · « **Reply #27 on:** January 18, 2010, 06:41:20 AM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

Quote from: clare
Quote from: Iuvenalis
Secondly, the idea that 'natural' immunity means you can never get something again is not always true. It has happened...

Does that never happen with vaccinations?

I am quite certain you do not understand the point I made at all.

More than likely.

You're saying that vaccines are good, right.

But then you said:

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...conferring immunity is an imperfect thing, people make a bigger deal of of it than they probably should.

Now vaccines ostensibly confer immunity, and getting the illness confers immunity usually.

But that's no big deal. So if it's no big deal getting immunity from the illness, why insist on getting immunity from vaccine?

But, yes, I'm blonde and a girl. I can't be expected to understand!

Agobard · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2010, 12:13:56 AM »

When you get vaccinated, you are being infected with the virus and a bunch of other unhealthy junk.

That is why "health" officials do not want you to get a vaccination when you are not feeling well. People can and do get sick from vaccinations. Unless your leg falls off (or something like that) right after you get the shot, it won't be reported as vaccine related. It will be "just a coincidence".

Belloc · « **Reply #29 on:** December 08, 2010, 10:30:59 AM »

H1N1 vaccine linked to 700 percent increase in miscarriages
Wednesday, December 08, 2010 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

(NaturalNews) Recent data presented to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) Advisory Committee on Children's Vaccines has revealed some shocking information about the effects of the H1N1 / swine flu vaccine on pregnant women. According to the report, the rate of miscarriage among pregnant women during the 2009 H1N1 / swine flu pandemic soared by over 700 percent compared to previous years, pointing directly to the vaccine as the culprit -- but the CDC denies the truth and continues to insist nobody has been harmed.

According to the CDC, nearly 50 percent of all pregnant women were vaccinated with the H1N1 vaccine during the 2009 / 2010 influenza season. Those whose physicians instructed them to get a seasonal flu shot were three times more likely to get it, while those instructed specifically to get the H1N1 shot were ten times more likely to get it. And the numbers clearly show that along with the rise in vaccinations due to the H1N1 scare came the sharp increase in miscarriages, including a slew of actual reported adverse events.

But the CDC does not seem to care about the facts, as numerous reports indicate the agency has failed to report any of this vital information to vaccine suppliers. In fact, when presented with the data for the third time, Dr. Marie McCormick, chair of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Vaccine Risk and Assessment Working Group, actually had the audacity to claim that there were no vaccine-related adverse events in pregnant women caused by the vaccine.

"This baseless and fallacious assessment by the CDC assessment group has given the green light to the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to continue their recommendation to give the 2010/11 flu shot to all people, including pregnant women," explained Eileen Dannemann, director of the National Coalition of Organized Women, presenter of the information.

"This upcoming 2010/11 flu vaccine contains the same elements that are implicated in the killing of these fetuses, the H1N1 viral component and the neurotoxin mercury (Thimerosal). Additionally, it contains two other viral strains -- a three-in-one shot for all people."

Overall, the number of vaccine-related "fetal demise" reports increased by 2,440 percent in 2009 compared to previous years, which is even more shocking than the miscarriage statistic. Meanwhile, the CDC continues to lie to the public about the vaccine, urging everyone, including pregnant women, to get it.

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