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Re: Any vegans here?
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2017, 07:13:16 PM »
long-time vegans end up dead before they reach 60
Source?
I get goofy when i have not had meat in a period of time... something like 1 day.
The average American eats about ½ lb. of meat a day!
as Jesus said it is what comes out of our mouth not what goes in that makes us "unclean"
That doesn't mean we can eat whatever. It pertains to the capital sin of gluttony not to eat healthily.

Catholic teaching on Cruelty to Animals
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2017, 07:21:09 PM »
I have never seen any Scripture where God prohibits the use of animal products for man's everyday life and conveniences. So in that way it is clear that the political vegan ideology is a frontal assault on the Holy Bible and as far as that goes, Sacred Tradition.
Just because man has dominion over all the things of the earth does not excuse him from being destructive or wasteful.

The great Thomist Zigliara wrote, regarding vivisection (quoted in the Old Catholic Encyclopedia article "Cruelty to Animals"):
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The service of man is the end appointed by the Creator for brute animals. When, therefore, man, with no reasonable purpose, treats the brute cruelly he does wrong, not because he violates the right of the brute, but because his action conflicts with the order and the design of the Creator (Philosophia Moralis, 9th ed., Rome, p. 136).
Also quoted in the OCE article "Cruelty to Animals," the orthodox Cdl. Manning, arguably the greatest First Vatican Council father (he was responsible for the definition on papal infallibility), wrote this against animal cruelty:
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It is perfectly true that obligations and duties are between moral persons, and therefore the lower animals are not susceptible of the moral obligations which we owe to one another; but we owe a seven-fold obligation to the Creator of those animals. Our obligation and moral duty is to Him who made them and if we wish to know the limit and the broad outline of our obligation, I say at once it is His nature and His perfections, and among these perfections one is, most profoundly, that of Eternal Mercy. And therefore, although a poor mule or a poor horse is not, indeed, a moral person, yet the Lord and Maker of the mule is the highest Lawgiver, and His nature is a law unto Himself. And in giving a dominion over His creatures to man, He gave it subject to the condition that it should be used in conformity to His perfections which is His own law, and therefore our law (The Zoophilist, London, 1 April, 1887).


Re: Any vegans here?
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2017, 07:23:33 PM »
A Catholic can certainly be a vegan, as long as it is for the correct reasons.
That is, as long as he does not grant animals "rights" equal or greater than those of humans

Re: Any vegans here?
« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2017, 08:30:03 PM »
That is, as long as he does not grant animals "rights" equal or greater than those of humans
Then he's not a vegan, for the term vegan implies this--by the Vegan Society's own statements.  He would simply be someone who abstains from eating food from animals.

Re: "Cowboy caviar" link to new topic/Re: Any vegans here?
« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2017, 01:56:27 PM »
"Cowboy caviar"?  Does it have, um, unusual ingredients that would provoke a native of the Vegan Solar System to violence?  To readers of your reply who'd never even heard of the dish--including me--you gave not even 1 contextual clue about what kind of dish we should expect it to be.

So I did the straightforward Internet research, then created a new topic devoted to it.  Which, it's worth noting, with a little initiative, could've been a topic you could call your own[†], even if interest is fleeting:

    "Cowboy Caviar--Not what you might guess!"
    <https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/cowboy-caviar/>.

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Note †: Perhaps it'll serve as a lesson in productive participation & response in Internet forums.  Or maybe not.
This is one of my favorite recipes. I've been making it for years! Texas Caviar, Cowboy Caviar... same thing. It's a pretty popular dip.
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/96563/classic-texas-caviar/