Author Topic: Any experiences with Weston A. Price Wise Traditions? (Read 1281 times)

Bombadil · « **on:** April 26, 2015, 04:21:07 AM »

Does anyone here follow the Weston A. Price diet, or has experiences with it?

Are there other organizations promoting traditional food?

Jaynek · « **Reply #1 on:** April 26, 2015, 11:31:53 AM »

I have the Nourishing Traditions cookbook which I like very much.

Clarabelle · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2015, 11:21:50 AM »

I have the cookbook, too. I'm kind of a newbie at it, but like it so far. I need to learn how to cook and like liver, though.

PG · « **Reply #3 on:** April 27, 2015, 12:06:52 PM »

The John Mcdougall M.D. diet is the correct and "traditional" diet. A saturated fat diet leads to ketsosis, and ketosis is not a blissful state.

Jaynek · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2015, 04:17:42 PM »

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The John Mcdougall M.D. diet is the correct and "traditional" diet. A saturated fat diet leads to ketsosis, and ketosis is not a blissful state.

This does not make sense. Any low carb diet (high fat of any kind or high protein) leads to ketosis and there is nothing wrong with it in itself.

Nadir · « **Reply #5 on:** April 27, 2015, 05:22:13 PM »

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Any low carb diet (high fat of any kind or high protein) leads to ketosis and there is nothing wrong with it in itself.

I don't think it's that simple, Jayne.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/blood-glucose/ketosis.html says

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Ketosis
High levels of ketosis can be serious

Ketosis is a state the body may find itself in either as a result of raised blood glucose levels or as a part of low carb dieting.

Low levels of ketosis is perfectly normal.

However, high levels of ketosis in the short term can be serious and the long term effects of regular moderate ketosis are only partially known at the moment.

What is ketosis?

Ketosis is a state the body goes into if it needs to break down body fat for energy. The state is marked by raised levels of ketones in the blood which can be used by the body as fuel.
Ketones which are not used for fuel are excreted out of the body via the kidneys and the urine.

Is ketosis the same as ketoacidosis?

There is often confusion as to the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis.

Ketosis is the state whereby the body is producing ketones. In ketosis, the level of ketones in the blood can be anything between normal to very high.

Diabetic ketoacidosis, also known as DKA, only describes the state in which the level of ketones is either high or very high. In ketoacidosis, the amount of ketones in the blood is sufficient to turn the blood acidic, which is a dangerous medical state.

When does ketosis occur?

Ketosis will take place when the body needs energy and there is not sufficient glucose available for the body.

This can typically happen when the body is lacking insulin and blood glucose levels become high.

Other causes can be the result of being on a low carb diet.

A low level of carbohydrate will lead to low levels of insulin, and therefore the body will produce ketones which do not rely on insulin to get into and fuel the body’s cells.

A further cause of ketosis, less relevant to people with diabetes, is a result of excessive alcohol consumption.

Is ketosis dangerous?

The NHS describes ketosis as a potentially serious condition, whereas a number of popular diets cite ketosis as being an essential part of weight loss.

Ketosis is described as being potentially dangerous as very high level of ketones can make the blood acidic, a state known as ketoacidosis, which can lead to serious illness in a relatively short space of time.

Jaynek · « **Reply #6 on:** April 27, 2015, 06:08:00 PM »

Here is a good explanation from http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/ketoacidosis.html

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Some doctors and other medical professionals confuse ketoacidosis, an extremely abnormal form of ketosis, with the normal benign dietary ketosis associated with ketogenic diets and fasting states in the body.
They will then tell you that ketosis is dangerous.
The difference between the two conditions is a matter of volume and flow rate*:

Benign dietary ketosis is a controlled, insulin regulated process which results in a mild release of fatty acids and ketone body production in response to low carbohydrate intake, and higher fat consumption.
Ketoacidosis is a condition in which abnormal quantities of ketones are produced in an unregulated biochemical situation. In order to reach a state of ketoacidosis, the body has to be in a state of not producing enough insulin to regulate the flow of fatty acids and the creation of ketone bodies.
*See this reference paper.

Here's a table with actual numbers to help show the differences in magnitude:

Body Condition      Quantity of Ketones Being Produced
After a meal:    0.1 mmol/L
Overnight Fast:     0.3 mmol/L
Ketogenic Diet (Nutritional ketosis):   1-8 mmol/L
>20 Days Fasting:    10 mmol/L
Uncontrolled Diabetes (Ketoacidosis): >20 mmol/L

Normal ketosis that occurs in healthy people is not dangerous. Ketoacidosis is a symptom of diabetes. They involve quite different levels of ketones.