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« on: July 20, 2016, 02:47:32 PM »
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  • Dr Robert Willner, MD, PhD injects himself with HIV in this video.  



    AIDS is a hoax.  People who are said to have AIDS are dying from
    the strong medication they are given.  




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    « Reply #1 on: July 20, 2016, 02:53:10 PM »
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  • They dying because of their disgusting drug fueled lifestyles that they lead.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 20, 2016, 03:22:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: apollo
    Dr Robert Willner, MD, PhD injects himself with HIV in this video.  



    AIDS is a hoax.  People who are said to have AIDS are dying from
    the strong medication they are given.  




    AIDS is literally just end-stage HIV.
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...

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    « Reply #3 on: July 20, 2016, 03:29:11 PM »
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  • look up 'house of numbers' on youtube, it exposes the whole thing as false.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 20, 2016, 03:30:47 PM »
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  • Not all people who are HIV positive are doing drugs.

    See Dr Peter Goetsche's videos

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+gotzsche+aids

    He is blowing the whistle on the Medical Mafia and some of their scams,
    including AIDS.  He says the medication is killing them.

    The point is that AIDS is a hoax, HIV positive people do not die from
    being HIV positive.  



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    « Reply #5 on: July 20, 2016, 03:36:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: tdrev123
    look up 'house of numbers' on youtube, it exposes the whole thing as false.


    Do you mean this:  http://HouseOfNumbers.com

    Or this:




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    « Reply #6 on: July 20, 2016, 04:21:32 PM »
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  • Usually, those who say "AIDS is a hoax" believe that it's a conspiracy against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, and/or a conspiracy to rein in "Free love" which they believe we should all enjoy.

    The disease primarily targets A) ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs B) the promiscuous and C) hard core drug users

    So I'm not so quick to jump on this particular conspiracy bandwagon...

    In my (worthless, in this case) uneducated opinion, it's a cut-and-dried case of "the wages of sin is death".

    Someone would have to convince me WHY they would fake such a disease. Is it to promote condom use or something? Scare people away from promiscuous sex?

    But to be honest, I don't know. And I'll admit I don't know. I'm just laying out the issues I would have with any hypothetical "AIDS conspiracy".
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    « Reply #7 on: July 20, 2016, 04:36:20 PM »
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  • There are some very suspicious things surrounding the so-called AIDS epidemic, but I do not believe the existence of the disease itself is one of them. I don't have a reference handy, so some of the following may be not 100% accurate, but here is the situation as I understand it.

    HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) was first observed in the early 80s in the US, almost exclusively in gαys and drug users. It is diagnosed by blood testing.

    AIDS (auto-immune deficiency syndrome) is a condition caused by HIV and was originally defined  by a deficiency in some particular cell count. Then someone (either at the CDC or some politician, I am unsure exactly) decided that it wasn't good for AIDS to be a disease caused by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. How to change this? Well, you redefine AIDS.

    In Africa, blood testing is not readily available, so you can't really diagnose HIV. Instead, the "diagnose" AIDS, using a clinical evaluation criterion first introduced in 1985:

    Quote from: The WHO

    This 1st definition contained 4 major criteria (chronic asthenia, major weight loss, chronic fever, and chronic diarrhea) and 6 minor criteria (chronic cough, persistent lymphadenopathy, herpes zoster, recurrent herpetic infection, pruritic dermatitis, and oropharyngeal candidiasis).


    Source

    You'll notice that these "symptoms" contain many conditions common in Africa (weight loss, chronic cough, etc), so the result was that they instantly achieved millions of new cases of AIDS, covering basically the entire African population, and thus, AIDS is no longer a "gαys only" disease. Problem solved.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 20, 2016, 04:51:15 PM »
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  • I can think of 20,000 reasons for the invention of AIDS:  

    20,000 medical people employed in AIDS research and treatment.

    Every disease that gets invented requires lot of government funding
    to fight it.  


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    « Reply #9 on: July 21, 2016, 11:15:45 AM »
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  • If you have not read the book "Deadly Deception" or seen the video, then
    you are in for a big surprise.  Dr Willner is extremely knowledgeable and
    he is not the only one who does not believe the LIES we have been told.

    2,952 scientists seriously doubt that HIV causes AIDS.  Here is a list
    of their names: http://aras.ab.ca/rethinkers.php

    Here is a list of quotes from many of these scientists:
    http://aras.ab.ca/aidsquotes.htm

    The Book:

    Deadly Deception the Proof That Sex And HIV Absolutely Do Not Cause AIDS

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0964231611/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0964231611&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    The Video:

    Dr Robert Willner Injects "HIV" into himself
    (about 60% into the video, before the question and answer section in the last 40%).



    You really have to see the video or read the book or else you will never know what
    is going on.  

    Dr Peter Duesberg, a world famous scientist, says AIDS is a hoax.

    See his website:  http://www.duesberg.com/

    He wrote a book celled:  

    Inventing the AIDS virus.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895263998/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0895263998&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    A summary of the video:

    1. The contagious AIDS we have been told about, that is spread by sɛҳuąƖ contact,
        is a fake.  

    2. The real AIDS is not contagious and not caused by HIV.  Here are the causes of
        the read AIDS:

        a.  Malnutrition and starvation (Africa).
        b.  Medical drugs, especially AZT (banned in the treatment of cancer because it
             was to deadly).
        c.  Street drugs (to a lesser degree than medical drugs).
        d.  Radiation.
        e.  Chemotherapy.

    3. HIV is not contagious.

    4. Dr Willner offers $100,000 for anyone who can prove that HIV causes any disease.

    5. Dr Gallo, the inventor of the HIV causes AIDS theory is a multi-millionaire.  

    6. There is no AIDS epidemic.  









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    « Reply #10 on: July 21, 2016, 11:35:46 AM »
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    5. Dr Gallo, the inventor of the HIV causes AIDS theory is a multi-millionaire.
    Wasn't he the inverter of HIV itself?
    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/OOzuFsdmSfI[/youtube]
    Didn't they create it in a lab by mixing several types of viruses derived from various animals?
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    « Reply #11 on: July 21, 2016, 11:46:00 AM »
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  • I forgot one thing in the summary of the video:

    7. The HIV test that you take is 99.97% wrong (inaccurate).
        Don't get the test and don't take any drugs.


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    « Reply #12 on: July 21, 2016, 11:49:04 AM »
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  • Quote from: Geremia
    Wasn't he the inverter of HIV itself?
    Didn't they create it in a lab by mixing several types of viruses derived from various animals?


    Thanks for the video.  Dr Gallo did invent the HIV virus concept.  However, the
    HIV test is useless.


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    « Reply #13 on: July 21, 2016, 12:41:11 PM »
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  •    
    The following can be found at: http://www.duesberg.com/faq.html

    Frequently Asked Questions

    NEW: See Question and Answer #16

    Q1:  You say that there is no real decrease in new Aids cases. On the contrary, every year their number is on the rise. How do you explain that the official statistics in Italy (as in other European countries) s ay that the new cases have diminished by 11.3 percent in 1996 and 29 percent in 1997?

    A1:  Inventing the AIDS Virus (IAV) proposes that AIDS is caused by drugs. The decrease in new AIDS cases in the US in the last years confirms this proposal exactly, because thus decrease corresponds exactly to a steady decline in recreational drug consumption. For example, in the US spending for recreational drugs peaked at $91 billion in 1988 and steadily dropped to $53.7 billion in 1995.

    Likewise the rapid increase of AIDS in the 1980s corresponded to the emergence of the explosive epidemics of recreational drug use in the US and Europe in the 1980s (see IAV).

    (Where and when would I have said "there is no real decrease in new AIDS cases"???)



    Q2:  You appear to think that Azt may be the cause of the disease in stead of a cure for it: how is that possible when the drug has been used since 1987 while the first cases of this strange immune syndrome were reported in 1981?

    A2:  Between 1981 and 1984 the Centers of Disease Control in Atlanta and many independent American and English scientists have proposed that AIDS is a lifestyle disease caused by recreational drugs. See for example an editorial in the famous New England Journal of Medicine (vol. 305, p1465) by D. Durack proposing in 1981 that "recreational drugs [are] immunosuppressive".

    Based on the lifestyle hypothesis of the early 1980s and my own research I have proposed in IAV that drugs cause AIDS. The drug hypothesis holds that AIDS is caused either by recreational drugs, or by DNA chain terminators such as AZT prescribed as anti-HIV drugs, or by a combination of both.

    Indeed, I have pointed out that DNA chain terminators like AZT are muchmore toxic than recreational drugs such as cocaine and heroin. This mayhave created the erroneous impression that the many anti-HIV drugslicensed since 1987 are the only cause of AIDS.



    Q3:  If Azt is so toxic, how is it that the incidence of infected children has decreased from 25% to 8% (in Italy and in France) in babies born to mothers who had been treated with Azt during pregnancy?

    A3:  Treatment of HIV-positive, pregnant women with the DNA chain terminators has reduced the incidence of HIV in their babies from 25% to 8% in France and Italy as well as in the US. This is to be expected from a drug that was designed to kill cells including those in which HIV replicates. AZT was developed over 30 years ago to kill cells for cancer chemotherapy.

    The first problem with this hypothetical triumph of anti-HIV treatment is that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. The second more serious problem that AZT induces abortion, and generates birth defects in humans and causes cancer in animals born to AZT-treated mothers. For example, a study published in 1994 found that among 104 AZT treated HIV positive women, 8 aborted spontaneously, 8 had to be aborted "therapeutically", and 8 had babies with birth defects such as cavities in the chest, heart defects, extra fingers, misplaced ears, triangular faces, misformed spine, and albinism (Kumar et al., J. AIDS, vol. 7, p1034 (1994), cited in IAV).



    Q4:  According to our leading experts the new cocktail (protease + transcriptase inhibitors) seems to work or at least to keep the disease at bay. How is that possible?

    A4:  Contrary to the assertions of your "leading experts", the anti-HIV drug cocktails are failing in the US. A front page article of the New York Times , showing dying AIDS patients, issued a first warning in August 1997: "Despite powerful new AIDS drugs many are still losing battle (NYT, August 22, 1997).

    By September 1997 the American press already reported that "AIDS drug cocktails fail 53%" (San Francisco Examiner, September 29, 1997). In view of this I wonder what your "leading experts" do to make the cocktails "work". Where did they publish their success stories?



    Q5:  Statistics in western countries show that there are fewer deaths among people with Aids. If it is not because of the new treatment, what are the reasons?

    A5:  The reasons why the AIDS epidemic is declining were given in A1, the answer to Q1. Recreational drug consumption has recently declined and therefore AIDS.

    However, there is no evidence to support the claim that this is due to the new AIDS drug cocktails. Such evidence would have to show, that those who still get AIDS are not treated, and those who don't get AIDS are treated. But this is not the case in the US. Practically all American AIDS patients are treated with the new drug cocktails, but they continue to die.



    Q6:  In your book you envisage a possibile role of the 'poppers' as promoters of the syndrome because of their action on the immune system. In Italy, however, only ten percent of the gαy community is estimated to use poppers. How do you explain then the Aids cases among the Italian gαys?

    A6:  Since I do not have docuмentation on drug use by Italian male ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, I cannot answer this question directly. Please provide a reference for your assertion that only 10% use poppers.

    However, drug use by American, English, Dutch, Canadian and Australian male ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs has been reported in the scientific literature: They use batteries of recreational drugs as sɛҳuąƖ stimulants, including poppers (nitrite inhalants), amphetamines, ethyl chloride, cocaine, speed, heroin, in addition to a "polypharmacy" of medical drugs. Many of these, and particularly combinations of these drugs cause AIDS defining diseases - regardless of the presence of HIV.



    Q7:  You mention studies reporting that a Hiv-positive person needs an average of 1000 unprotected sɛҳuąƖ intercourses to transmit the Hiv virus. How was it possible to establish such an average? Does that mean that condoms are useless to prevent the spreading of the disease?

    A7:  The Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta were the first to publish in 1989 in the New England Journal of Medicine (see IAV) that it takes about 1,000 unprotected sɛҳuąƖ contacts with an HIV-positive person to become positive. The CDC's numbers are based on thousands of "discordant" hemophilia couples, in which the husband was positive from a transfusion and some of their wives became positive over time. Recent studies on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ couples, other heterosɛҳuąƖ couples and singles have confirmed the CDC's original number (see IAV).

    With regard to your question about the usefulness of condoms in preventing AIDS my answer is twofold: (1) Since AIDS is caused by drugs, not by HIV, condoms do not prevent AIDS. (2) However, since many doctors prescribe DNA chain terminators such as AZT as anti-HIV drugs to healthy HIV-positives, and since DNA chain terminators cause AIDS - condoms are useful after all. They protect people who have an average of 1,000 sɛҳuąƖ contacts with HIV-positives from infection, and thus from AIDS caused by anti-HIV medication.



    Q8:  You state that any microbe that kills all his hosts would end up by committing ѕυιcιdє. So what? Do you believe in a 'survival finalism' in nature, in a sort of intelligence of the virus?

    A8:  Life is comparable to the law: it is based on logic and precedent. There >>>>is neither a precedent for a virus that consistently kills it's host, as is claimed for HIV, nor would it be logical for a virus to kill the host it needs for its survival.

    The "intelligence of a virus" killing consistently its host, would be the same as that of a car that consistently kills its drivers because it does not have brakes.


    Q9:  The WHO estimates that there are 17 million healthy seropositives in the world. You say that many thousands are discovered every year in the American Army. 'When' and 'how' were they infected and 'why' most of them don't get sick?

    A9:  HIV, like all other retroviruses in animals and humans, is perinatally transmitted from mother to child. All viruses and microbes that are perinatally transmitted in nature are harmless for the reasons stated in A8. Thus those 17 million HIV positives who are healthy, are those who do not use recreational and/or anti-HIV drugs.


    Q10:  The new tests (Pcr) can detect the virus not only its antibodies. How is it that many people die of Aids with no trace of Hiv in their blood? Is it hidden or non existent?

    A10:  Contrary to your assertion, the new PCR test does not detect "the virus". Instead it detects a piece of the viral RNA or DNA genome, but not even the complete genome. Typically any virus, whose RNA or DNA must be detected by this method, is neutralized by antibody and is thus latent, and not infectious. It is for this reason that this very expensive method was introduced to detect "the virus" in AIDS patients. It would be much cheaper, and biologically much more relevant if infectious HIV could be detected. The difficulty in detecting infectious virus was reason for the fraud charges of the Pasteur Institute against leading AIDS researchers in the US (Gallo) and the UK (Weiss).

    The PCR method was invented by Kary Mullis, who wrote the foreword for IAV, to detect a needle in a haystack. But a needle in a haystack does not cause a fatal disease. This is in fact one of the fatal flaws of the HIV-AIDS hypothesis.

    The reason why "many people die of AIDS with no trace of HIV" is simple. Since AIDS is caused by drugs, HIV must not be present in AIDS patients - this is the hallmark of a passenger virus.


    Q11:  You say that 90% of Aids patients are still men. In Africa the ration between men and women is 1 to 1 and in Eastern Europe, i.e. Romania, is 6 to 4. Why this difference?

    A11:  This misrepresents what I state in IAV. I have stated that, according to the Centers for Disease Control and the աօʀʟd ɦɛaʟtɦ օʀɢaռiʐatɨօռ, almost 9 out of 10 AIDS patients in America and Western Europe are males.

    I did not say that they are "still men", because I am not a prophet, I am just a scientist.

    A whole chapter of IAV explains why African AIDS is different. The African AIDS epidemic has only one thing in common with the American/European AIDS epidemic - the name. African AIDS is caused by malnutrition, parasitic infection and poor sanitation. There are no risk groups in Africa, like drug addicts and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. It is for this reason that African AIDS is equally distributed between the sexes. Moreover, practically no African AIDS patients have pneumocystis pneumonia, dementia or Kaposi's sarcoma - the signal diseases of AIDS in the US and Europe. Above all, African AIDS is diagnosed without even attempting an HIV test, which is too expensive for Africa. Thus there is no scientific evidence for the correlation between HIV and African AIDS, only guesses.


    Q12:  Has the blood screening reduced the number of infections among hemophiliacs?

    A12:  This is a good question! I assume this would be so. But surprisingly neither the US nor Europe has published how HIV- screening of blood supplies has affected the incidence of HIV in the American and European hemophiliacs. Please let me know if you have such publications.


    Q13:  You complain about the discrimination by the scientific community and about the grants denied by the NIH for your research on the long term effects of drugs. Has something changed after the publication of your book in the States?

    A13:  The non-funding of non-conformists has not changed in the US. Iassume it would be fatal for the current AIDS establishment if they were proven wrong, and that is why it will not change soon.


    Q14:  Is there any Italian scientist who agrees with your unorthodox views? And in Europe?

    A14:  There are some Italian scientists who have the same questions about the unproductive HIV hypothesis as I do. For example Dr. Fabio Franchi in Trieste and Dr Raffaele Cascone in Morlupo. Others like Prof. Leonida Santamaria and Dr. Raul Vergini (Predappio) have organized conferences in 1993 in Pavia and in 1994 in Bologna that have openly questioned the HIV-AIDS hypothesis.


    Q15:  Why did you write your book not in the first person but in the third one?

    A15:  The third person was chosen, because the book was written as a docuмentary, rather than a biography or a novel.
     


    Q16:  The best way I know to prove the HIV hypothesis wrong is to infect otherwise perfectly healthy people with HIV, don't give them any treatment, and see what happens. I know this type of research has been done with animals. Since you can't experiment on other people, why don't you infect yourself? Maybe you can recruit some followers and have a "population" for a real experiment.

    A16:  I have considered, even offered, this directly. Here are the problems:

    1) In the US, it is not possible to work with HIV without the approval of the National Institutes of Health and the university. Thus I would need an NIH peer-approved grant to do this. Without such a contract I would risk my lab and job.

    2) In addition, if 10 years after injecting myself I would still be without symptoms, the HIV-AIDS orthodoxy would call me a bluff unless I had had a grant that allowed for appropriate controls. I have submitted 9 grant applications to study AIDS, including doing the study you mention, but none was approved.

    3) In the US there are 1 million HIV-positive persons without any symptoms, and in the world there are an estimated 34 million. Monitoring a few hundred of these for AIDS and non-viral AIDS risks would be a statistically much more relevant experiment than if one person injected himself. But surprisingly such studies are not done. Why not? Guess!
     

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    « Reply #14 on: July 21, 2016, 01:55:46 PM »
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  • I don't know much about AIDS but there is one thing that I think is strange about it. When I learned about it I was told that it is a death sentence and was incurable. But then how come Magic Johnson is still alive? He was diagnosed with AIDS almost thirty years ago and he is still alive. I figured he would have died by now if AIDS was so deadly.
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