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Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2017, 09:49:34 AM »
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  • Irish too. Doesn't help that to the Irish, alcohol is basically water - so lots of empty calories and sugar.

    Sorry to hear that the Irish have the same problem. I assume, though, that the Irish don't have such a problem with obesity, like here in the U.S. Would that be right?

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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #31 on: October 19, 2017, 04:05:25 PM »
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  • Thanks for answering, Meg. Sounds like a fast food diet like America.

    Pizza is Scottish :(

    About Ireland:

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    Data from the 2015 Healthy Ireland Survey show that 60% of the population aged 15 years and over are either overweight or obese – 37% are overweight and a further 23% are obese (Department of Health/Ipsos MRBI, 2015)

    http://health.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/A-Healthy-Weight-for-Ireland-Obesity-Policy-and-Action-Plan-2016-2025.pdf


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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #32 on: December 28, 2017, 02:12:45 PM »
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  • I was never obese in my life.  After giving birth a few times, I was over weight, but I always lost the weight within a year.  Until I hit 45.  It's as if my metabolism came to a stand still.  After my mother died in 2015, I gained additional weight.  I was up to 210 lbs!  It was horrible.  

    I finally went to see the Dr. and had my metabolic rate tested along with some blood levels.  I was put on a very strict low carb, high protein diet, less than 1000 calories a day,  and I began running 5 miles a day.  I lost 40 pounds in about 6 months.  And then I hurt my knee.  Running became impossible.  My insurance no longer pays for obesity services.  I tried to maintain my low carb diet, which I do okay with most of the time.  But I have gained back 20 of the 40 pounds I lost.  I still eat only around 1000 calories, but my exercise is limited.

    It's a horrible place to be in, having never been heavy outside of pregnancy.  But I do my best, and kept trying.

    Yes, we eat fresh vegetables.  No, I don't eat refined sugar, other than 1 teaspoon in my coffee daily.  I don't eat bread, cake, cookies, pies, or ice cream.  No I don't eat chips or crackers or pasta.  (Except on birthdays or a holiday.)  No we don't eat fast food, except on occasion.  

    So give us a break.  Some of us are sitting here stuffing our faces with meatballs and doritoes.  

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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #33 on: December 28, 2017, 02:21:16 PM »
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  • I was never obese in my life.  After giving birth a few times, I was over weight, but I always lost the weight within a year.  Until I hit 45.  It's as if my metabolism came to a stand still.  After my mother died in 2015, I gained additional weight.  I was up to 210 lbs!  It was horrible.  

    I finally went to see the Dr. and had my metabolic rate tested along with some blood levels.  I was put on a very strict low carb, high protein diet, less than 1000 calories a day,  and I began running 5 miles a day.  I lost 40 pounds in about 6 months.  And then I hurt my knee.  Running became impossible.  My insurance no longer pays for obesity services.  I tried to maintain my low carb diet, which I do okay with most of the time.  But I have gained back 20 of the 40 pounds I lost.  I still eat only around 1000 calories, but my exercise is limited.

    It's a horrible place to be in, having never been heavy outside of pregnancy.  But I do my best, and kept trying.

    Yes, we eat fresh vegetables.  No, I don't eat refined sugar, other than 1 teaspoon in my coffee daily.  I don't eat bread, cake, cookies, pies, or ice cream.  No I don't eat chips or crackers or pasta.  (Except on birthdays or a holiday.)  No we don't eat fast food, except on occasion.  

    So give us a break.  Some of us are sitting here stuffing our faces with meatballs and doritoes.  

    1000 calories is absurdly low.  What idiot put you on that?  Look into something called intermittent fasting.  Problem is that the body needs to get into a fat burning mode and also rebalance the insulin system.

    You basically need to restrict your eating to an 8-hour window.  Usually just skipping breakfast accomplishes this.  After about 12 hours, the body goes into fat burning mode and also rebuilds pancreatic cells and restores the insulin system.


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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #34 on: December 28, 2017, 02:27:29 PM »
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  • 1000 calories is absurdly low.  What idiot put you on that?  Look into something called intermittent fasting.  Problem is that the body needs to get into a fat burning mode and also rebalance the insulin system.

    You basically need to restrict your eating to an 8-hour window.  Usually just skipping breakfast accomplishes this.  After about 12 hours, the body goes into fat burning mode and also rebuilds pancreatic cells and restores the insulin system.
    My doctor put me on a 1000 calorie a day diet, low carb, high protein.  Try eating high protein on a 1000 calorie a day diet.  My resting metabolic rate is around 1200, meaning I must eat less than this to lose weight.  Even after running 5 miles a day for 6 months, my resting metabolic rate only rose to around 1250.  
    I don't eat breakfast until around 10 am.  And it's usually high protein.
    I rarely eat lunch.  I have a main meal in the evening.
    I don't eat seconds.  Well, unless it's chili.  


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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #35 on: December 28, 2017, 03:51:45 PM »
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  • My doctor put me on a 1000 calorie a day diet, low carb, high protein.  Try eating high protein on a 1000 calorie a day diet.  My resting metabolic rate is around 1200, meaning I must eat less than this to lose weight.  Even after running 5 miles a day for 6 months, my resting metabolic rate only rose to around 1250.  
    I don't eat breakfast until around 10 am.  And it's usually high protein.
    I rarely eat lunch.  I have a main meal in the evening.
    I don't eat seconds.  Well, unless it's chili.  

    Resting Metabolic Rate is just what you need to keep your organs from shutting down!  If you get up and walk around and don't just lay in bed all day, you're going to need significantly more than that.  It's called resting rate precisely because it assumes that you're just laying there practically asleep for 24 hours and engaging in no activity whatsoever.

    If you don't eat until 10AM, then simply do not eat after 6PM ... and you'd be doing intermittent fasting.  Give it a try.  People say it works wonders, and scientific studies back it up.

    Here's an interesting read about all the benefits of intermittent fasting --

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/intermittent-fasting-guide

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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #36 on: January 15, 2018, 03:32:40 PM »
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  • From the web site: Doctor Within I believe he had an article on obesity of children.  I also read a decade or more ago, that children obesity was going to rise more.  How do they know?  Come to find out vaccines are linked to obesity and my daughter age 32 is an example.  I  have no doubt that vaccines and such can mutate genes and harm thyroids.

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    "Sugar"?/Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #37 on: January 16, 2018, 01:13:33 AM »
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  • Real certified organic food is not cheap.
    Breakfast and snack food loaded with GMO high fructose sugar, processed GMO white flour with bromide, and MSG are much cheaper.


    High Fructose corn syrup and all the sugar substitutes are worse than plain old white sugar.

    I was surprised that an Internet search restricted specifically to CathInfo [‡] discovered no topics in this "Health and Nutrition" (sub)forum that were obviously devoted to "sugar", whether generally, or either to what might be called "traditional sugar", or to "high fructose corn syrup" in particular.  By "obviously", I mean any topic in which any of those phrases constitutes the majority of its title [×].

    I thought of starting one such topic as a standing catch-all, but I have no power to pin topics in CathInfo.  I'm merely an alert consumer, and certainly no expert in the fields of knowledge that are involved.  And I don't want to create an obligation for myself to monitor it to keep it active.  Why worry about such a thing?  Because Matthew seems to dislike having postings added to topics that had previously lapsed into inactivity [†] months or years earlier, even when the new postings are perfectly on-topic for the lapsed topic.

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    Note ‡: Making an exception to my usual Internet practices by using Google, which not only seems to have privileged access to content on CathInfo, but to update it with speed that's, um, quite surprising for what, as even Matthew acknowledges, is a relatively small active membership.

    Note ×: But not as abbreviations; e.g., whenever I see the abbreviation "HFCS" without much context, my brain interprets it as "HydroFlouroCarbon" and then stalls on the "Something" part.

    Note †: I recall Matthew's disparaging term being something like "necrotopic".


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    Re: "Sugar"?/Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #38 on: January 16, 2018, 01:29:16 AM »
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  • Note †: I recall Matthew's disparaging term being something like "necrotopic".
    I wouldn't take his ribbing as an actual opinion on the matter... especially when the topic has no connection to a particular time such as a conversation about sugar.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #39 on: January 16, 2018, 05:47:32 AM »
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  • The CDC and medical establishment have lied about sugar since the early 20th century.

    High intake of sugar, white rice & carbs, and very low intake of fat and excess animal protein, cures Type 2 diabetes, and induces weight loss while sustaining energy. Sugar increases insulin sensitivity.

    High fat and excess animal protein causes Type 2 diabetes and increases obesity onset. It increases insulin resistance. Even worse, a synergistic intake of fat, animal protein and sugar/carbs leads to the highest onset of obesity. So sugar/carbs are great as long as your intake of fat and animal protein is very low.

    Sport is a metaphor for life. No athlete in the history of sport ever won a performance competition while in ketosis.

    St. Paul tells us, "Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it." ~ 1 Corinthians 9:24

    Sugar (converted into glycogen) is the fuel for physical performance. The Holy Ghost is the Fuel for our spiritual race to Heaven.

    Dr. McDougall references medical journals that show white rice & table sugar actually cures Type 2 diabetes, and he mentions the medical establishment's apparent conspiracy to lie about sugar & carbs.



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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #40 on: January 16, 2018, 08:50:00 AM »
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  • My husband, kept his CE's up for licensed pharmacy tech.  CE on contaminates 3 years ago, here in Phoenix.  All Rice is contaminated.  Don't eat rice.  GMO free labels do not cover foods that are "contaminated".

    Sugar cubes kept polio serum alive in the 60's.

    I am a strong believer that anything that turns to sugar: potatoes, rice and etc must be avoided, if sugar is a problem.  I had a Polycystic Ovary (lady) issue.  I highly suggested she lay off as much sugar as possible, for medical info stated refined white sugar caused hard shells over the ovary (also cataracts).  She dropped also Metformin and she lost weight(she was obese) and after 8 years of trying to become pregnant, she conceived and had a boy Dec. 3.  I was so excited for her.

    Our daughter was diagnosed with irritable bowel syndrome.  She read the book, "Breaking the Vicious cycle".  She did exactly as instructed and she is a survivor!  It instructs no sugars, no grains.  She uses honey and almond flour.  


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    "Pot Bellies"/Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #41 on: May 05, 2018, 11:12:25 AM »
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  • In honor of the U.S. pseudoholiday Cinco de Mayo, I'm offering an on-topic published entry (unedited) from the Orlando Sentinel's anonymous daily reader-gripes column:

    Quote from: Orlando Sentinel "Ticked Off" Nov. 30 2017

    So many pot bellies. What's happened to young girls and moms who are sporting pot bellies?  When did this start ... fast food?  The digital epidemic?  No slim Jackie Kennedy ... Coco Chanel ... Audrey Hepburn?  So many pretty faces need to face the health risks.


    I neither wrote nor submitted the above entry to them.  The ellipses are its author's or the Sentinel's.

    I suspect that it was written by a Baby-Boom woman.  That's because most men of that generation, who would know immediately who Mrs. Kennedy was (and not as the earlier life of "Jackie Onassis") would most likely connect Chanel only with the then-heavily advertised perfume brand, but with no details, and in particular, no mental image.

    As Baby-Boom teenage boys, my peers and I were completely clueless about how far out as a statistical outlier was the 1960s movie star Raquel "Welch" Tejada (ahem!) among the population of natives of Mexico who immigrated to the U.S.A.

    In Central Florida, the published anonymous complaint applies in startlingly high proportion--substantially more than 40%--to Puerto Ricans, who are much more common here than Mexicans or other Latin Americans.  It also applies, in descending proportions, to blacks of various national origins (including U.S.) and to nonHispanic whites.

    In fairness, I concede that my observations of members of the identified minority groups are biased toward those who have an economically low standard of living.

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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #42 on: May 06, 2018, 01:58:30 PM »
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  • The CDC and medical establishment have lied about sugar since the early 20th century.

    High intake of sugar, white rice & carbs, and very low intake of fat and excess animal protein, cures Type 2 diabetes, and induces weight loss while sustaining energy. Sugar increases insulin sensitivity.

    High fat and excess animal protein causes Type 2 diabetes and increases obesity onset. It increases insulin resistance. Even worse, a synergistic intake of fat, animal protein and sugar/carbs leads to the highest onset of obesity. So sugar/carbs are great as long as your intake of fat and animal protein is very low.

    Sport is a metaphor for life. No athlete in the history of sport ever won a performance competition while in ketosis.

    St. Paul tells us, "Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it." ~ 1 Corinthians 9:24

    Sugar (converted into glycogen) is the fuel for physical performance. The Holy Ghost is the Fuel for our spiritual race to Heaven.

    Dr. McDougall references medical journals that show white rice & table sugar actually cures Type 2 diabetes, and he mentions the medical establishment's apparent conspiracy to lie about sugar & carbs.

    I've seen exactly the opposite of this -- that when a person eliminates refined sugar and/or carbs, they are able to treat diabetes without medication.
    Also, those who refrain from sugar/carbs lose a lot of weight. It seems to be a proven healthy way to eat.
    It's also a fact that refined sugar and carbs in everything hasn't been possible before the Modern Age, with high-speed transport, agri-business, factories producing most of our food, etc.
    Unless you lived somewhere that grew sugar cane (note: this is only a minority of places!) the only source of "sweet stuff" would be honey and fruit. And fruit only grew for X months of the year -- sure, they made preserves for the winter, but you couldn't eat it like it was going out of style, or you'd run out. Ditto for honey. Bees can only produce so much honey per year.
    Today, they put High Fructose Corn Syrup in everything. Just read the labels! Also, most processed food contains extra carbs in the form of soy "fillers", flours, and what not.
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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #43 on: May 07, 2018, 12:13:19 AM »
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  • I've seen exactly the opposite of this -- that when a person eliminates refined sugar and/or carbs, they are able to treat diabetes without medication.
    Also, those who refrain from sugar/carbs lose a lot of weight. It seems to be a proven healthy way to eat.
    It's also a fact that refined sugar and carbs in everything hasn't been possible before the Modern Age, with high-speed transport, agri-business, factories producing most of our food, etc.
    Unless you lived somewhere that grew sugar cane (note: this is only a minority of places!) the only source of "sweet stuff" would be honey and fruit. And fruit only grew for X months of the year -- sure, they made preserves for the winter, but you couldn't eat it like it was going out of style, or you'd run out. Ditto for honey. Bees can only produce so much honey per year.
    Today, they put High Fructose Corn Syrup in everything. Just read the labels! Also, most process food contains extra carbs in the form of soy "fillers", flours, and what not.
    I agree, Matthew.

    Two years ago, I went on a sugar-free diet (no types of sugar including honey, agave, molasses and added fructose). I also quit eating all types of grain: corn, wheat, rice, rye, oatmeal, barley, and flour made with those grains. I have lost 30 pounds and have maintained a healthy body weight since then. The doctor is pleased not only because my blood pressure is now normal, but also because my cholesterol and triglyceride levels are in the normal range. I eat meats and fish in moderation except during the Great Lenten Fast. I also eat plenty of vegetables, nuts, avocados, eggs, and grass fed cow and goat organic butters and cheeses. Fruits are eaten in season and in moderation.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: 40 percent of U.S. Adults are Obese
    « Reply #44 on: May 10, 2018, 08:09:13 PM »
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  • Ok, but a lot of the people who cut out sugar basically cut out sugar completely, they don't even eat fruit, which I think is a bit extreme.
    Big difference between cutting out or reducing refined sugar vs cutting out fruit. Your tastes do change that some fruits will be too sweet alone but they can be added to grains. I can eat citrus fruits or berries all day but can only eat a half apple or banana before I'm like it's too sweet so I add them to oats.

     

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