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Offline TheRealMcCoy

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"Carnivore" Diet
« on: October 21, 2022, 09:21:02 AM »
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  • I'm considering the carnivore diet strictly for health reasons (severe allergies, fat loss, hormone balancing).  It would involve the cessation of consuming anything not of animal origin and primarily eating only ruminants (beef and sheep).  I would combine this with intermittent fasting.

    Is anyone aware of any teaching against this?  Is there any harm in eating meat on Friday for health reasons as long as nobody was scandalized by it?  

    FYI...low calorie, keto, and "plant-based" all made me very ill.

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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #1 on: October 21, 2022, 10:20:24 AM »
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  • I'm considering the carnivore diet strictly for health reasons (severe allergies, fat loss, hormone balancing).  It would involve the cessation of consuming anything not of animal origin and primarily eating only ruminants (beef and sheep).  I would combine this with intermittent fasting.

    Is anyone aware of any teaching against this?  Is there any harm in eating meat on Friday for health reasons as long as nobody was scandalized by it? 

    FYI...low calorie, keto, and "plant-based" all made me very ill.
    I'm currently doing carnivore and specifically a very high fat, moderate protein version.  I'd say it's a lax version of BBBE because I do eat dairy. Although I prefer all variety that keto provides, after only 3 weeks of high fat no carb, my strength and vigor are back.  I had been lax with keto and boy it costs.  In a short amount of time on BBBE, minor hints of joint pain are gone. My energy is great.  My head is clear.  My sleep is fantastic.  My bathroom visits brief and without issue.  I also lost several pounds that had crept back on during keto.  Everything has improved for me.  I planned to quit at the end of October, but I may go another month because the benefits are that good. 


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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #2 on: October 21, 2022, 11:14:38 AM »
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  •  For the OP’s question about his diet and the Church’s discipline of abstinence, the (only really) appropriate person to ask is a priest.  Priests do have certain “powers of dispensation” and the Church generally provides accommodation for medical reasons, when granted by a priest.  One thought that immediately came to mind is if your metabolic issue allows for the consumption of fish or plant based proteins and fats (such as quinoa), which would solve the “issue” inquired about.
     
    Otherwise I found some of the observations interesting, especially reply #1.  My modest research supports the value of a protein / fat based diet with low carbs, especially those from grains.  On the other hand, whenever I’ve neglected fiber in the diet (which can come from fruits and vegetables, not just grains), especially if there is much animal fat in the diet, it plays havoc with my gut and bowl movements.



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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #3 on: October 21, 2022, 11:56:23 AM »
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  • Yea, I didn't address the OP's concern in my last post, but really the only way carnivore would be wrong would be if one didn't observe regular fast and abstinence days or to do it strictly for self gain to the exclusion of the glory of God.  But then, all through my childhood and part way through adulthood, even though I was raised in a family of practicing Catholics, I never really did any kind of reasonable fasting or abstaining or glorifying God in my food life because years doing Novus Ordo practices hardly qualifies.  Ever since I've been keto and especially now that I'm carnivore, I observe fast/abstain days the traditional way and I actually find fasting and abstinence far more doable. As far as getting fiber is concerned, there are a lot of videos available on the subject from a carnivore perspective.  I was skeptical until did my own experiments, but the fiber hoopla is false.  Fiber is hard on the gut and unnecessary.  Even the biggest keto guy, Dr Berg, warns about fiber and even worse, grains.  I tolerate keto fairly well, allowing myself some fiber, but it wasn't until I cut out fiber and grains from my diet on carnivore, that I fully healed.  I will eventually go back to keto to get variety, but that's only because I can always return to carnivore and at times even BBBE to get to my healthiest self.  Most carnivore turned enthusiasts tried it for 30 days to see how well it works and many of them maintain it years later or return to it when necessary. What's really great about all of this is that you can gain control over food and health while figuring out what works best for you.     

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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #4 on: October 21, 2022, 12:07:25 PM »
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  • I'm considering the carnivore diet strictly for health reasons (severe allergies, fat loss, hormone balancing).  It would involve the cessation of consuming anything not of animal origin and primarily eating only ruminants (beef and sheep).  I would combine this with intermittent fasting.

    Is anyone aware of any teaching against this?  Is there any harm in eating meat on Friday for health reasons as long as nobody was scandalized by it? 

    FYI...low calorie, keto, and "plant-based" all made me very ill.
    My knee jerk reaction to this is: Yes, there is a problem with this. We abstain from meat on Fridays as a sacrifice to God, not a some quirky thing Catholics do for no reason. There is such an abundance of easily accessible food nowadays that "My tummy hurts when I don't eat meat" kind of seems like a wimpy excuse. It would be understandable if you lived in poverty and couldn't afford anything but meat, or had no access to anything but meat. I am unaware of the severity of your specific health problem that led you to this decision, but from what I understand, your excuse does not seem like a valid one that should prevent you from adhering to the Friday abstinence. I wouldn't recommend the weird vegan or keto stuff. Just make pasta, have a grilled cheese sandwich, or just stick with the fish. That's my advice, but God knows your situation better than I do. Viva Cristo Rey!
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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #5 on: October 21, 2022, 12:27:53 PM »
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  • My knee jerk reaction to this is: Yes, there is a problem with this. We abstain from meat on Fridays as a sacrifice to God, not a some quirky thing Catholics do for no reason. There is such an abundance of easily accessible food nowadays that "My tummy hurts when I don't eat meat" kind of seems like a wimpy excuse. It would be understandable if you lived in poverty and couldn't afford anything but meat, or had no access to anything but meat. I am unaware of the severity of your specific health problem that led you to this decision, but from what I understand, your excuse does not seem like a valid one that should prevent you from adhering to the Friday abstinence. I wouldn't recommend the weird vegan or keto stuff. Just make pasta, have a grilled cheese sandwich, or just stick with the fish. That's my advice, but God knows your situation better than I do. Viva Cristo Rey!

    Thank you for your reply.  I prefer to fast completely on Fridays than to consume pasta, grilled cheese, or fish.  Besides it's more manly to fast than to eat kid food.  Have a great day!!!

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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #6 on: October 21, 2022, 12:53:23 PM »
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  • Thank you for your reply.  I prefer to fast completely on Fridays than to consume pasta, grilled cheese, or fish.  Besides it's more manly to fast than to eat kid food.  Have a great day!!!
    I commend you in your ability to completely fast every Friday. However, the everyday layman is not required, nor should be forced, by the Church to go one day out of every week without food. Although you consider them children's food, where I'm from there is no shame in adults eating these things, and it seems that it is only out of a sense of pride that you avoid them. This would be an even worse excuse for your carnivore diet. I honestly don't mean to be sarcastic by saying that I commend you for fasting every Friday. I agree that would be very manly and even more zealous, however that is not a viable or reasonable option for the normal layperson. Viva Cristo Rey! 
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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #7 on: October 21, 2022, 01:02:18 PM »
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    I prefer to fast completely on Fridays than to consume pasta, grilled cheese, or fish… it's more manly to fast than to eat kid food. 

     
    The way the OP was written seemed to be asking if it was okay to eat meat on days of abstinence if that was deemed necessary for health reasons.  There was no mention of fasting in the OP so it shouldn’t be surprising that eating something besides meat, as opposed to fasting, was what was mentioned by some.  I would assume, given the OP’s digestive issues as described, that consuming pasta or the bread typical with grilled cheese would not be good.  The OP did not respond when some wondered if he could eat fish on abstinence days (or in general).
     
    I am very curious to know how pasta, grilled cheese, and fish are “kid food” to be avoided by the “manly”.  Several of the Apostles were fishermen, and Our Lord multiplied the loaves and fishes (not loaves and beefsteak).  Were our Lord and the Apostles less than “manly” in some views here?
     
    The appropriate answer to the original question is to ask a priest.  From my pre VII understanding (I was born I 1951) that is what one did as it is the Church which has the authority to establish disciplines and to grant dispensations (St. Matthew 16:19 and 18:18).  I don’t believe it has ever been Catholic practice for the laity to sit around the internet or some other venue and decide these things on their own.




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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #8 on: October 21, 2022, 01:11:37 PM »
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  • Eggs are part of the carnivore diet, are they not?  I’m on a keto diet and rely very much on eggs when Fridays come around.  Aren’t fish approved on the carnivore diet as well?  Fish is not considered childrens’ food exclusively.  Many cultures rely on fish as a main staple in their meals.  If one does not care for fish, maybe experimenting with different kinds would be of benefit.  A thick tuna steak tastes very much like a beef steak.  Good for the OP trying to improve his/her health through food!
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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #9 on: October 21, 2022, 01:22:47 PM »
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    As far as getting fiber is concerned ... the fiber hoopla is false.  Fiber is hard on the gut and unnecessary.


    To each there own, but the above is definitely at odds with recognized and well established nutritional science.  It is also completely at odds with how my gut feels if I don't pay attention to having an appropriate amount and kind of fiber in my diet. 

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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #10 on: October 21, 2022, 03:23:18 PM »
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  • To each there own, but the above is definitely at odds with recognized and well established nutritional science.  It is also completely at odds with how my gut feels if I don't pay attention to having an appropriate amount and kind of fiber in my diet.
    That's true, everyone's different.  I wouldn't have believed what I said before either. Check this video out.  First three minutes.  Interesting comments as well.



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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #11 on: October 21, 2022, 03:50:43 PM »
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  • I'm considering the carnivore diet strictly for health reasons (severe allergies, fat loss, hormone balancing).  It would involve the cessation of consuming anything not of animal origin and primarily eating only ruminants (beef and sheep).  I would combine this with intermittent fasting.

    Is anyone aware of any teaching against this?  Is there any harm in eating meat on Friday for health reasons as long as nobody was scandalized by it? 

    FYI...low calorie, keto, and "plant-based" all made me very ill.
    I quit eating red meat after watchingt this. I'm 64 and a few aches and pains went away. I did start eating anti-inflammatory foods and added a few anti-inflammatory suppliments as well. 



    Talk to your doctor if you go ahead with that diet. 
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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #12 on: October 21, 2022, 04:15:25 PM »
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  • Regarding fiber, once I started making sure I got an adequate amount of soluble fiber daily, my hemorrhoids and occasional constipation became a non issue.  

    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #13 on: October 21, 2022, 05:29:55 PM »
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  • Thank you for your reply.  I prefer to fast completely on Fridays than to consume pasta, grilled cheese, or fish.  Besides it's more manly to fast than to eat kid food.  Have a great day!!!
    You could have eggs though, right? 

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    Re: "Carnivore" Diet
    « Reply #14 on: October 21, 2022, 06:23:00 PM »
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    I am very curious to know how pasta, grilled cheese, and fish are “kid food” to be avoided by the “manly”.
    Me too. I’ve never known any food to be kid’s food, excepting breast milk. My kids (and grandkids) always ate the same food as their parents.
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