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Conservative NO Deacon Says It's Possible Christ Married
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2009, 03:36:39 PM »
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    • Just imagine. Unsuspecting Catholics actually attend NO Masses where this Deacon "assists" on the altar. A Deacon who honestly cannot tell his flock whether or not their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was married. It truly boggles the mind.

    And according to them we are to simply obey and go to our local NO under pain of mortal sin on Sunday?
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    « Reply #16 on: July 22, 2009, 03:45:37 PM »
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    Check it out. he expounds further....
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    The difference is that the teaching with regard to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is well defined and dogmatic, the teaching with regard to Jesus and his marital status depends on Tradition and is not dogmatic.The role of the theologian is to push our understanding of the revelation of God. Not all things theologians write are correct, not all things theolgians write are consistent with Tradition. Yet, unless the Church says that a given position may not be held, the well-formed conscience of the individual has the right to hold it.


    Seems like you have a Neo-Con/Neo Trad who is absolutely clueless about theology. It doesn't surprise me really, these folks are like the Charismatic Catholics who want all the feelings, but no doctrine.
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    Conservative NO Deacon Says It's Possible Christ Married
    « Reply #17 on: July 22, 2009, 06:34:53 PM »
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    Arborman said:
    The Deacon at my former NO church said in a sermon "we are not to resist evil"  He said this repeatedly.  Then the priest confirmed that as Mass ended by agreeing and said we are not to resist evil!
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    That was my last Mass there.


    Why, why, why did you NOT stand up in Church and post your disapproval like you did on these forums?????????????? To many armchair Catholics out there that are affraid to make right the many wrongs or at least try!
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    Let me finish the story.  I thought at first he might be right.  But the more I thought about it the more concerned I became.  Since it was a daily mass on the anniversary of Roe V Wade, I contacted the prolife coordinator.  She sided with the deacon, but contacted him and told him what I said, he was supposed to contact me and I didn't follow up because I left the parish!  I know for a fact the absence of my wife and I was noticed and felt.
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    Conservative NO Deacon Says It's Possible Christ Married
    « Reply #18 on: July 22, 2009, 07:26:37 PM »
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    • From an Eastern Rite brother, agreeing with the Deacon...

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    There is much that we can disagree on within the Catholic Church. We are only bound to the Dogmas of the Catholic Church. Jesus' marital status is not dogmatic. There is no dogmatic statement from the Church stating whether Jesus was married or not.

    Just as we are free to believe that the Blessed Mother passed away before she was assumed into Heaven.

    I am not arguing with you. I believe that Jesus was not married. Can you show any Church docuмents that support your statement that one cannot be a Catholic in good standing if they believe otherwise? Persuade me.

    Here is another, one can believe that Elijah died. While tradition says that he did not and will return just before Jesus' second coming. I know this because a priest wrote in a book he authored that Elijah died. He was charged with heresy and the Church tribunal found that what he wrote was not heresy.
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    « Reply #19 on: July 22, 2009, 08:11:43 PM »
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    • This guy sounds like a liberal protestant dressed up in Eastern Catholic clothing. I bet he will give the typical Neo-Catholic answer that "even if Jesus was married, it wouldn't affect my faith." To which I say, "of-course, your faith is not mine, you never had it to begin with."
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    « Reply #20 on: July 23, 2009, 07:43:52 AM »
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    You should admonish him afterwards. Or at least ask him why he said what he did.


    Seriously Vlad..stopping being such a coward. You think all priest are holier then thou and should not be approached in a foward MANer! Most and I mean most priest are far from being in a state of grace and deserve NO respect.  :light-saber:


    You are in grave error sir. Our Lord revealed to St. Catherine that many souls go to Hell because they were subject to bad priests, and that instead of cursing these priests, we should pray for their conversion. God said if we do this, then he will grant the Church many holy priests.


    ** Blasphemy against the saints moderated **
    Many so called saintly miracles can be easily explained by physic abilites via extrem training & conditioning....HECK YOU GOT ME STARTED!!!

    Can and do miracles happen and can they be from God or Evil powers...sure. But much of what we read about the saints and their miracles were a result of their own physic abilities not by some supernatural power/being.



    Uriel, I think that you need to see a priest.
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    « Reply #21 on: July 23, 2009, 08:09:40 AM »
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    ...Fr. Richard McBrien...


    Ah, it warms my heart to think this pillar of orthodoxy teaches at my alma mater.  What a shame that I never had the pleasure to study under his sagacious tutelage.
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    Conservative NO Deacon Says It's Possible Christ Married
    « Reply #22 on: July 23, 2009, 01:12:28 PM »
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    Again, I do not think such a thing but to say anything that the Church does not state is a possibility is part of the ordinary Magisterium is a bit off. This would mean that it is an infallible teaching that Peter was a widower as I know of no ECF or official docuмent that held that Peters wife COULD HAVE BEEN or WAS alive when he was an apostle.


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