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Offline Catholic Samurai

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« on: December 12, 2009, 07:05:39 PM »
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  • What do yall think about these charities? They sound like the kind of charity I would donate to since they seem to focus on helping people help themselves through agriculture. But are they okay to donate too? Do they divert funds to 3rd-world abortions and contraception? They sound like great charities, but the endorsements from people like Bill Clinton and his ilk makes me pretty suspicious. Anybody heard anything bad about them?
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    « Reply #1 on: December 12, 2009, 07:14:31 PM »
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  • World Vision is a satanic cult. The MK Ultra killer of J Lennon came out of the org. I do not know of the other one.
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    « Reply #2 on: December 18, 2009, 08:05:31 PM »
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    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 10:16:15 AM »
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    I would be extremely hesitant to give to most charities in this day and age.  Are those Catholic charities?  Much better to use your time and resources to help people whose cases you have personal familiarity with.  I wonder how many people give huge amounts to impersonal bureaucracies without really knowing how their money is spent, while they refuse to help those they know personally who are in need.

    I have reservations about the way the St. Vincent de Paul at my grade school parish is run (even though my father is in charge - but he can't really influence the conduct of the other members that much).  Very little evangelism is done.  Most often it's not people from the parish church who are helped.  Money is dripped away $50 to $100 at a time on people who are late on rent or without utilities.  A bag of old canned good and some dried food is sent?  Is it the kind of authentic Christian charity that is needed?  Is it really worth the time and money spent?

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    « Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 10:48:24 AM »
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  • They are not Catholic. I still dont know much about Heifer International, but looking at World Vision further I find it's not all it's made out to be. I dont know if HI and WV have merged or what, but World Vision, like Heifer International, aims to provide a small number of livestock to people in 3rd world countries and provide them with the training necessary to cultivate them for the benefiting family's use as food or income. They appear to help people become self sufficient, but other than that, they also have other programs in their "charity", such as small business loans for WOMEN, educations for GIRLS, medical attention for sɛҳuąƖly exploited girls... etc., so essentially, on the side, they are entrapping people who are already poor in debt, attempting to establish the working-single-mom/female-breadwinner type, and providing contraception and abortion for young girls. And what makes it worse is that they decide where the money goes, even if you or your company are donating the money for 3rd-world agriculture, your funds are more than likely going to be diverted to family-demolition, land grabs, and abortion.

    But if Heifer International does exactly what they say they do (provide people with the means to support themselves), and nothing else, I think it would be a worth charity to support... provided they are not affiliated with WV or someone else. The donation ammounts that they had listed for providing such and such animals for people was about right when you calculate the animal's cost and shipping expenses.
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    « Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 05:52:21 PM »
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  • Here in Latin America I have had the opportunity to meet several people who work for World Vision, and even to visit a few of their projects. My goddaughter's mother worked for about a year as an instructor in haircutting for World Vision also, back in the early 90's.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Vision

    The problem with World Vision is that it is a Protestant Evangelical organization. Its projects are not bad, but by supporting them you are helping to spread Protestantism in Latin America. They help Protestants and Catholics alike, but I prefer not to give money to the "enemy" so to speak, even though I recognize that the huge drain of Catholics to "evangelical" sects and divisions is mostly due to the Conciliar Church's loss of faith, ecuмenism and indifferentism, and its own refusal to defend itself since Vat2.

    Another problem with World Vision and many other international charity groups is the "sponsoring" of children by patrons in the USA or other countries. Often these children are not really deserving and/or do not receive most of the money being sent to them. There have even been cases of outright fraud where the "sponsored child" never even realized that he was supposed to be the recipient of funds.

    When I was in the States for six years, I was a donor to Food for the Poor. Food for the Poor was started by Catholics, and mostly works with Catholics in Latin America and the Caribbean. A few Lutheran orphanages and pastors are also involved but most of its aid is directed through Catholic orphanages, schools, and food distribution centers run either by a diocese or by Food for the Poor itself. This charity has the highest possible rating by the Charity Navigator watchdog group, and claims that 96% of its incoming donations are spent on aid itself, not on staff, paperwork, or administration. For example, after the Haitian earthquake earlier this year they were the first aid organization to respond with food, tents, and blankets. They already had many feeding stations all around Haiti with warehouses with food. Their local directors have quite a bit of autonomy so they opened up the warehouses immediately and began supplying food to victims.

    Everything they do is very basic. They don't pretend to take kids from some slum and send them to MIT. If the area is particularly devastated, they simply give rice and beans. If food needs can be met by the population, then they help dig wells, improve fishing fleets,  and teach how improve soil quality, prevent erosion, plant trees, keep bees, raise goats, etc. All very practical stuff that in my experience really pays off in the long run.  They really are a no-frills operation.

    http://www.foodforthepoor.org/

    Well, that's my plug for Food for the Poor. I was introduced to them by a visitor to my parish, brought in by our Latin Mass priest back in the Indult Mass days. I'm hoping to visit one of their projects here in the country where I am living now.

    P.S. I could write another ten pages on some things I've seen from the so-called "aid" organizations here. Most of it would make good late-night reading for horror story addicts.
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    « Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 06:18:54 PM »
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  • Didn't the man who either started or managed Food for the Poor get into a lot of trouble about five or ten years ago for being a shyster and ripping the organization off?

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    « Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 06:47:25 PM »
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    Didn't the man who either started or managed Food for the Poor get into a lot of trouble about five or ten years ago for being a shyster and ripping the organization off?


    Not that I heard of. Do you have a source for this?
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    « Reply #8 on: November 16, 2010, 07:56:11 PM »
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  • My goodness, it was a long time ago.  I am sure it will show up in an internet search.   It was big news when it happened.  Like I said, not sure when, I'd place it between 1998 and 2003 or so.