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Offline mcollier

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Woodworking Project - Crucifix
« on: November 03, 2017, 10:03:00 AM »
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  • Good morning: 

    I am planning on making some crucifixes as a side woodworking project. 

    Does anyone know if there is any rules or customs that I ought to follow. 

    For example, choice of wood species, pattern, dimensions, etc. 

    I am planning on tackling this project for Christmas so I can give these as gifts. I will make them by hand using saw, handplanes...the old fashioned way. I would then take them to be blessed before giving them as a gift. 

    Thank you. God bless! 

    Michael


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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #1 on: November 03, 2017, 10:04:20 AM »
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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #2 on: November 03, 2017, 11:06:49 AM »
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  • mcollier - I have some experience fashioning crucifixes.  And, it has always been an interest of mine.  I purchased a wood crucifix from russia, it was a russian orthodox one with all of their symbols and style, and then I altered it with a good small chisel to make it look more catholic.  I have also hammered out and filed two rosary crucifixes one solid silver and one solid bronze quite substantially so that they fit my preference.  All three came out very well.  

    As for recommendations, being that you are a beginner, I will certainly recommend the relief carving method for crucifixes.  Because, they are very traditional, they are a method of crucifix carving that goes all the way back to the time of the early church.  They look great.  They are easier to make.  They are stronger than modern crucifix.  They are the heritage of and popular with eastern uniate and orthodox(orthodox do not allow three dimensional crucifixes).  

    As for rules, I will relay that it is very common to make copies.  And, that is definitely not a bad thing.  That is how we keep with tradition.  So find a corpus or style that you like, and copy it.  
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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #3 on: November 03, 2017, 11:41:19 AM »
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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #4 on: November 04, 2017, 04:21:49 PM »
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  • mcollier - these are good examples of relief carving. It looks dimensional from the front, but if you were to move to the side, you can see it is not dimensional.  This is very traditional, and is also a doable project for a small operation.  This was the reason I bought a cruficix from russia.  They are the masters at relief carving.  they really like it, and have invested technology in creating it which brings down the price if you want one.  I then got rid of all the russian symbols and style that makes it orthodox and distinguishable from western catholic.  

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    And, you can implement relief carving without the remaining wood left around the outside.  To bridge the gap would simply mean to not carve a backside to the corpus you want for your western style cruficix.  

    This is also a neat and impressive example of traditional relief carving.  This is 100% handmade, and obviously not too time consuming hinted at by the price.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Large-Ukrainian-wooden-Wall-Cross-Church-Crucifix-Jesus-Christ-hand-carved-wood/263286727496?hash=item3d4d1ca348:g:rZMAAOSwCV5ZxTcG
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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #5 on: November 04, 2017, 04:43:00 PM »
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    To be a Catholic crucifix three elements are required and one is optional.
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    Required is the cross, the corpus (body of Jesus attached) and the 4 letters INRI at the top over Our Lord's head. 
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    Without the INRI it's not a crucifix.
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    Optional are the nails that attach the corpus to the cross, one through each hand and one through the feet.
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    Some Catholic crucifixes have a screw going into the corpus torso for example.
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    Crucifixes used for exorcism should have the cross made of wood, but they can have wood parts with metal frame for strength, and there should be nails holding the corpus to the wood cross parts. If the crucifix is made otherwise, the devil has been known to ridicule the "fake" cross being used, and he says the priest is an amateur.
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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #6 on: November 04, 2017, 07:27:29 PM »
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  • I knew should ask. Thank you.

    I will need to find a good authentic source for the Corpus, otherwise I will have to abandon this project.

    A quick search online pulls up the usual (forgive me for saying this) but demonic looking Novus Ordo stuff that appears to be more like mockeries of the sacred than the authentic/traditional Catholic versions.

    Someone I know mentioned a distributor out of Pittsburgh that sells authentic Catholic art, statues, crucifixes etc (all sadly discarded from churches that were closed). I will need to see if I can track down the name of that company.

    God bless.

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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #7 on: November 04, 2017, 07:52:29 PM »
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  • Neil - Is there something in say the manual for exorcists/racoulta about this?  Do you have any objection to relief carving if those requirements are met?  And, do you think the devil will respect a relief carved crucifix if those requirements are met?  I think relief carved crucifixes are used among the eastern catholics as well, not just schismatic orthodox.  I prefer the relief carving for the reasons I mentioned.  I would rather have a hand carved affordable item than an expensive modern wood crucifix made by a computerized carver.  And, I would certainly rather have a relief carved crucifix over a resin crucifix.  I think it is the way to go.  Carving a modern crucifix is extremely difficult.  These are doable.  
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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #8 on: November 04, 2017, 09:19:29 PM »
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  • Neil - Is there something in say the manual for exorcists/racoulta about this?  Do you have any objection to relief carving if those requirements are met?  And, do you think the devil will respect a relief carved crucifix if those requirements are met?  I think relief carved crucifixes are used among the eastern catholics as well, not just schismatic orthodox.  I prefer the relief carving for the reasons I mentioned.  I would rather have a hand carved affordable item than an expensive modern wood crucifix made by a computerized carver.  And, I would certainly rather have a relief carved crucifix over a resin crucifix.  I think it is the way to go.  Carving a modern crucifix is extremely difficult.  These are doable.  
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    Good questions -- I don't know what the book is to check in so I'd recommend asking a good priest. I have a Raccolta but I don't see any section in there for crucifix requirements. I only know about this because good priests told me. As for relief carving or even stamped or die cast metal I suppose that's okay in general but it doesn't meet the specs I mentioned for exorcism. A good example of a favorite crucifix used in exorcisms is the St. Benedict crucifix:
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    This one is 8 inches tall. The wood parts under the hands, feet and INRI on top are inlays of wood set into a cast metal frame that has hollowed areas for the wood, front and back. There are 3 nails that hold the hands and feet down and one nail that holds the INRI scroll. The St. Benedict medal is inset on the front and on the back. The price on this one, above, is $63.
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    Here is a practically identical one for about half the price, on sale! $33 (I don't know about the metal specification):
      

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    The Clear Creek monks say they'll bless the crucifix before it's shipped unless you request otherwise. Since it has a St. Benedict medal it needs to have a special blessing that only Benedictine priests can provide, or else by a priest who has been given that special faculty for blessing St. Benedict medals. Any such sacramental blessing is lost when the item is so much as OFFERED for sale, which is why they bless the crucifix just before it's shipped instead of before it's purchased.
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    While it's preferred to have a large crucifix like this for exorcism, the more common smaller size is also used. It has the same design details ($16):
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    These make a very impressive pectoral cross. In my experience anyone who has acidic skin should look for a very high grade metal, such as solid nickle, brass or stainless steel. But usually the vendor doesn't know what kind of metal the frame is made of. If you pay more you're probably getting a better grade of metal, and if you think you're saving money you'll find the plating wears off quickly and the oils in your skin eat right through the crucifix, leaving you with a sorry sight and unwearable.
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    I have found just the corpus for sale from Catholic supply sources. I'll look for some and get back later.
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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #9 on: November 04, 2017, 09:36:06 PM »
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  • Good morning:

    I am planning on making some crucifixes as a side woodworking project.

    Does anyone know if there is any rules or customs that I ought to follow.

    For example, choice of wood species, pattern, dimensions, etc.

    I am planning on tackling this project for Christmas so I can give these as gifts. I will make them by hand using saw, handplanes...the old fashioned way. I would then take them to be blessed before giving them as a gift.

    Thank you. God bless!

    Michael
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    Regarding choice of wood species, I would recommend a strong hardwood for the cross, such as oak or American black walnut, ash, or even bamboo (might have to be laminated strips). If you want a very strong and hard wood that carves pretty well, maple is a great choice and pretty available. Be sure your blades are sharp, because maple will burn quickly on a table saw with a dull blade. When used for flooring, maple is more durable than oak because it's tougher.
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    A popular wood used traditionally is ebony (black in color) but that's pretty hard to come by these days. For lighter color wood a comparable species is boxwood but that's pretty scarce too.
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    Olive wood is widely used in crucifixes made in the Holy Land but I don't know where you can find that for sale in the States. If someone is cutting down an olive tree you could get some of that and go from there but if you're in a hurry seasoning wood can take a LOT longer than you want to wait. (Like years) Compare olive wood to a bit less strong than oak, maybe like beech (common in Europe) or mahogany. FYI in the old days the best slide rules were made of mahogany core or bamboo core, with ivory-like overlay (made of plastic that looks like ivory). Mahogany and bamboo were the best because of their inherent self-lubricating property, making them good for the sliding action of a slide rule.
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    If you want to carve your own corpuses you're in for a huge challenge, it seems to me. And if you do that with wood the product can be very fragile. That's where I would say maple might be your best choice, offhand.
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    One trick I found that's pretty neat is to buy the crucifix ready made from a Catholic supply shop, and then you can custom mount it onto a river-run stone for a base. Just drill a hole with a masonry bit and bore a countersink with a larger carbide-tip bit, then insert a long drywall screw through the stone into the base of the crucifix. Glue some rubber or felt feet on the bottom and you're done. That gets you off the hook without having to make the whole crucifix.
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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #10 on: November 04, 2017, 10:47:35 PM »
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    Regarding choice of wood species, I would recommend a strong hardwood for the cross, such as oak or American black walnut, ash, or even bamboo (might have to be laminated strips). If you want a very strong and hard wood that carves pretty well, maple is a great choice and pretty available. Be sure your blades are sharp, because maple will burn quickly on a table saw with a dull blade. When used for flooring, maple is more durable than oak because it's tougher.
    .
    A popular wood used traditionally is ebony (black in color) but that's pretty hard to come by these days. For lighter color wood a comparable species is boxwood but that's pretty scarce too.
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    Olive wood is widely used in crucifixes made in the Holy Land but I don't know where you can find that for sale in the States. If someone is cutting down an olive tree you could get some of that and go from there but if you're in a hurry seasoning wood can take a LOT longer than you want to wait. (Like years) Compare olive wood to a bit less strong than oak, maybe like beech (common in Europe) or mahogany. FYI in the old days the best slide rules were made of mahogany core or bamboo core, with ivory-like overlay (made of plastic that looks like ivory). Mahogany and bamboo were the best because of their inherent self-lubricating property, making them good for the sliding action of a slide rule.
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    If you want to carve your own corpuses you're in for a huge challenge, it seems to me. And if you do that with wood the product can be very fragile. That's where I would say maple might be your best choice, offhand.
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    One trick I found that's pretty neat is to buy the crucifix ready made from a Catholic supply shop, and then you can custom mount it onto a river-run stone for a base. Just drill a hole with a masonry bit and bore a countersink with a larger carbide-tip bit, then insert a long drywall screw through the stone into the base of the crucifix. Glue some rubber or felt feet on the bottom and you're done. That gets you off the hook without having to make the whole crucifix.
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    As Neil has suggested, mahogany and ebony are great choices of wood... here's a piece my aunt and I did many years ago for our chapel. The cross is made of honduran mahogany with an ebony enlay. The corpse is made of honduran mahogany. 


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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #11 on: November 04, 2017, 10:49:55 PM »
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  • Neil - I can believe that for the traditional rite of exorcism the st benedict medal is required.  However, that does not mean a shadow is cast on crucifixes that are not, not that you are saying that.  So, I don't think the devil mocking his potential pick is what mcollier needs to be hearing(not that that is what you were doing).  But, I don't think this is what he needs to be considering.  I will agree that it is not recommended to make a crucifix without the INRI or corpus(3D or not).  I don't think nails are essential, although I would simply get an awl and poke a hole where the hands and feet are.

    I recommend relief carving because I have enough experience with carving.  And, carving fine details in wood is very difficult, delicate, and time consuming.  We are accustomed to hardwood crucifixes, but that requires high quality specialty chisels which the OP may not be interested yet in investing in.  So, if he wants to do something 3d, the ideal would be to use wittling wood, which is a very soft wood.  So, OP consider using a very soft wittling wood.  Make the corpus and the cross of the same material if you are going to carve them separately, that will probably look best when brought together.
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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #12 on: November 04, 2017, 10:51:55 PM »
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  • St. Ignatius - amazing job on that crucifix!  What are the measurements?  It looks quite large.  What does it weight?  
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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #13 on: November 04, 2017, 11:13:12 PM »
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  • St. Ignatius - amazing job on that crucifix!  What are the measurements?  It looks quite large.  What does it weight?  
    It weighed out just at 2 1/2 lbs. 

    The Corpus was carved with a rotary tool.

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    Re: Woodworking Project - Crucifix
    « Reply #14 on: November 08, 2017, 04:56:05 AM »
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  • Thank you PG, Neil Obstat, and St. Ignatius. Its incredible to think of the scale of what we have lost (or are rapidly in the process of losing) in the way of Catholic culture/civilization when you think of the vast ocean of traditions, expertise, precision, craftsmanship, time, energy, effort, resources, patience, etc. that would go into everything from the greatest Cathedrals of old Europe (that would take centuries to build and generations of fathers and sons) right down to something like a crucifix that hangs on the wall in our homes. Thank you for passing on what you know. I have no carving skills whatsoever (inlay or otherwise). So I will either need to find a suitable corpus or go back to the drawing board. But this is what is great about woodworking--you must humble yourself, start at the beginning, before you can go forward. PG and St. Ignatius--excellent work.