Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Womens Declaration of Independence  (Read 846 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline love alabama

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 147
  • Reputation: +31/-0
  • Gender: Male
Womens Declaration of Independence
« on: October 16, 2011, 01:11:08 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • This was written in the 1800s by an American
    ==========
    The Declaration of Sentiments

    When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one portion of the family of man to assume among the people of the earth a position different from that which they have hitherto occupied, but one to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes that impel them to such a course.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men and women are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of those who suffer from it to refuse allegiance to it, and to insist upon the institution of a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer. while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their duty to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of the women under this government, and such is now the necessity which constrains them to demand the equal station to which they are entitled. The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

    The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyrranny over her. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has never permitted her to exercise her inalienable right to the elective franchise.

    He has compelled her to submit to laws, in the formation of which she had no voice.

    He has withheld from her rights which are given to the most ignorant and degraded men--both natives and foreigners.

    Having deprived her of this first right of a citizedn, the elective franchise, thereby leaving her without representation in the halls of legislation, he has oppressed her on all sides.

    He has made her, if married, in the eye of the law, civilly dead.

    He has taken from her all right in property, even to the wages she earns.

    He has made her, morally, an irresponsible being, as she can commit many crimes with impunity, provided they be done in the presence of her husband. In the covenant of marriage, she is compelled to promise obedience to her husband, he becoming, to all intents and purposes, her master--the law giving him power to deprive her of her liberty, and to administer chastisement.

    He has so framed the laws of divorce, as to what shall be the proper causes, and in case of separation, to whom the guardianship of the children shall be given, as to be wholly regardles of the happiness of women--the law, in all cases, going upon a flase supposition of the supremacy of man, and giving all power into his hands.

    After depriving her of all rights as a married woman, if single, and the owner of property, he has taxed her to support a government which recognizes her only when her property can be made profitable to it.

    He has monopolized nearly all the profitable employments, and from those she is permitted to follow, she receives but a scanty remuneration. He closes against her all the avenues to wealth and distinction which he considers most homorable to himself. As a teacher of theoloy, medicine, or law, she is not known.

    He has denied her the facilities for obtaining a thorough education, all colleges being closed against her.

    He allows her in church, as well as state, but a suborinate position, claiming apostolic authority for her exclusion from the ministry, and, with some exceptions, from any public participation in the affairs of the church.

    He has created a false public sentiment by giving to the world a different code of morals for men and women, by which moral delinquencies which exclude women from society, are not only tolerated, but deemed of little account in man.

    He has usurped the prerogative of Jehovah himself, claiming it as his right to assign for her a sphere of action, when that belongs to her conscience and to her God.

    He has endeavored, in every way that he could, to destroy her conficence in her own powers, to lessen her self-respect, and to make her willing to lead a dependent and abject life.

    Now, in view of this entire disfranchisement of one-half the people of this country, their social and religious degradation--in view of the unjust laws above mentioned, and because women do feel themselves aggrieved, oppressed, and fraudulently deprived of their most sacred rights, we insist that they have immediate admission to all the rights and privileges which belong to them as citizens of the United States.


    Offline love alabama

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 147
    • Reputation: +31/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Womens Declaration of Independence
    « Reply #1 on: October 16, 2011, 02:49:13 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • how do you respond in a Catholic sense to these accusations?


    Offline Telesphorus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 12713
    • Reputation: +22/-13
    • Gender: Male
    Womens Declaration of Independence
    « Reply #2 on: October 16, 2011, 03:12:55 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • They are anti-Christian lies for the most part.  It's hardly different than the Communist manifesto (which came out at the same time) and is at odds with reality.

    Lord Chesterfield explained the situation fairly well:

    Quote
    Women who are either indisputably beautiful, or indisputably ugly, are best flattered upon the score of their understandings; but those who are in a state of mediocrity, are best flattered upon their beauty, or at least their graces; for every woman who is not absolutely ugly thinks herself handsome; but not hearing often that she is so, is the more grateful and the more obliged to the few who tell her so; whereas a decided end conscious beauty looks upon every tribute paid to her beauty only as her due; but wants to shine, and to be considered on the side of her understanding; and a woman who is ugly enough to know that she is so, knows that she has nothing left for it but her understanding, which is consequently and probably (in more senses than one) her weak side. But these are secrets which you must keep inviolably, if you would not, like Orpheus, be torn to pieces by the whole sex; on the contrary, a man who thinks of living in the great world, must be gallant, polite, and attentive to please the women. They have, from the weakness of men, more or less influence in all courts; they absolutely stamp every man's character in the beau monde, and make it either current, or cry it down, and stop it in payments. It is, therefore, absolutely necessary to manage, please, and flatter them: and never to discover the less marks of contempt, which is what they never forgive; but in this they are not singular, for it is the same with men; who will much sooner forgive an injustice than an insult.
     
    - Lord Chesterfield


    If women suffered under "handicaps" in the past, it was in fact a necessary thing to ensure the well-being of society, which cannot endure feminisation.

    Those women at that convention were really no different in ideology than the Communist League in Germany.

    Offline spouse of Jesus

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1903
    • Reputation: +336/-4
    • Gender: Female
    Womens Declaration of Independence
    « Reply #3 on: October 16, 2011, 03:54:54 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote
    He has compelled her to submit to laws, in the formation of which she had no voice.


    What Laws? Ten Commandments? Laws of State? She is not the one who made those laws neither are her husband, sons and brothers. All around the world people have to submit to laws they didn't form. Unless we want to have 6000000000 laws.

     
    Quote
    He has withheld from her rights which are given to the most ignorant and degraded men--both natives and foreigners.


      Ignorant and degraded people whether male or female are the one who suffer the most and see themselves trampled under feet. It is not limited gender, nation or time.

     
    Quote
    Having deprived her of this first right of a citizen, the elective franchise, thereby leaving her without representation in the halls of legislation, he has oppressed her on all sides.


    Too many american idioms. Sorry couldn't answer.

     
    Quote
    He has made her, if married, in the eye of the law, civilly dead.


    It is exactly the opposite. In traditional societies marriage highly elevates a woman's status.

     
    Quote
    He has taken from her all right in property, even to the wages she earns.


    As the one in whose Country live so many nomadic and tribal people, I have to say that the remoter a village the more emphasis they put on women having to work, even manual works (sometime even carrying loads, working with bricks etc.) And only a mullah can be proud that because it is the man who is the breadwinner the woman's wage is her own. (like the man's). Now if those ladies want a culture of work and money-craze they don't need to enter a church they can go to nomads.

     
    Quote
    He has made her, morally, an irresponsible being, as she can commit many crimes with impunity, provided they be done in the presence of her husband.


    In some societies, yes. A virgin is limited but a married person is free to do many things. A married woman watches porn, wears heavy make up in the public, sends you dirty sms goes to underground bars etc. and no one raises an eye borrow yet if a virgin asks a little question about pregnancy her parents may hit her on the cheeks. But not in Catholicism where marriage makes you more responsible for your sins not less.

     
    Quote
    In the covenant of marriage, she is compelled to promise obedience to her husband, he becoming, to all intents and purposes, her master--the law giving him power to deprive her of her liberty, and to administer chastisement.


    And Jesus who was both God and Man was obedient even onto death. He obeyed St. Joseph who was just His Creature. So obedience doesn't mean being less.

     
    Quote
    He has so framed the laws of divorce, as to what shall be the proper causes, and in case of separation, to whom the guardianship of the children shall be given, as to be wholly regardles of the happiness of women--the law, in all cases, going upon a flase supposition of the supremacy of man, and giving all power into his hands.


      No divorce if you are a Catholic. But if depriving one of the custody of children is a crime, then why feminists do it too?
      Actually divorce always hurts, one of the party has to lose children's custody anyway.

     
    Quote
    After depriving her of all rights as a married woman, if single, and the owner of property, he has taxed her to support a government which recognizes her only when her property can be made profitable to it.


      Doesn't same thing happen to men too? Supporting a govt which taxes you and recognizes you only and only if you profit it by your property? If you love money so much you can come and see ME how all abuses are justified in the name of money. Come here and OWN your dowry, OWN your mahr, OWN nafaqe and other things in exchange for love, fidelity and peace.

       
    Quote
    He has monopolized nearly all the profitable employments, and from those she is permitted to follow, she receives but a scanty remuneration. He closes against her all the avenues to wealth and distinction which he considers most homorable to himself. As a teacher of theoloy, medicine, or law, she is not known.


    And as a soldier, porter, garbage collector et all she is not known.

     
    Quote
    He has denied her the facilities for obtaining a thorough education, all colleges being closed against her.


      Colleges neither give money nor knowledge. They only give you a degree. It is why boys register for UEE two times less than girls. They prefer to go after jobs. It is why 65% of those passing UEE (university enterance examination) are girls. And feminists take pride in it.

     
    Quote
    He allows her in church, as well as state, but a suborinate position, claiming apostolic authority for her exclusion from the ministry, and, with some exceptions, from any public participation in the affairs of the church.


      Only an atheist can speak like that? Who is "He"?

     
    Quote
    He has created a false public sentiment by giving to the world a different code of morals for men and women, by which moral delinquencies which exclude women from society, are not only tolerated, but deemed of little account in man.


    Moslem thing, not Catholic.

     
    Quote
    He has usurped the prerogative of Jehovah himself, claiming it as his right to assign for her a sphere of action, when that belongs to her conscience and to her God.


    Who is "her god"? Ishtar, Anahita, Zeus? or a shapeless thing made according one's personal ever changing taste? If you want you can find societies with male and female idols. We worship Jehovah Himself.

     
    Quote
    He has endeavored, in every way that he could, to destroy her conficence in her own powers, to lessen her self-respect, and to make her willing to lead a dependent and abject life.


      Both genders are mutually dependent on one another. We all need one another. There is nothing contrary to self-respect in it.
       One leads a dependent life when she feels she needs to follow this or that trend of fashion to feel human,
        One leads a dependent life when she feels that in order to be valuable she needs to be made like a man as if she is not already valuable for what she is.

    Offline Telesphorus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 12713
    • Reputation: +22/-13
    • Gender: Male
    Womens Declaration of Independence
    « Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 06:19:56 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote
    I'm sure spouse of Jesus appreciates your support, but let's give others a turn.


    Superb post spouse, really brilliant.

    And yes those women were not really Christians in any sense of the word.