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Offline GiuseppeMichelePoli

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Women lust impurity
« on: April 27, 2018, 07:22:13 PM »
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  • Who struggles more with lust and impurity according to the saints and the Church men or women? Which sex is stronger when it comes to fighting lust? 


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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #1 on: April 27, 2018, 07:31:28 PM »
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  • Those are two different questions.

    Men certainly struggle more with it.  As to who's stronger, well, you only get strong against it by ... having to struggle with it and fight against it.  I imagine that if a woman who was not used to resisting such temptations were suddenly placed in a man's body, she'd have a harder time resisting the same temptations ... because she's not used to fighting against them.  But only God knows really.

    This obviously varies from individual to individual ... so this is just a gross generalization.


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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #2 on: April 27, 2018, 07:37:16 PM »
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  • With God, all things are possible.

    The Blessed Virgin Mary is a model of chastity and so is St. Nicholas of Myra (popularly known as Santa Claus).

    St. Mary of Egypt was a prostitute who overcame her lustful urges by retiring into the desert where she fought her passions through prayer, fasting, and denying herself any human comforts. Even her clothing rotted on her back, and her long hair was her only covering, so that a priest-monk gave her his outer robe to clothe her nakedness.

    St. Thomas Aquinas fought against impurity. When an impure woman was sent tempt him, he chased her away with a hot poker from the fireplace.

    Impure women will tempt men as prostitution is one of the world's earliest professions.

    However, impure men have been known to rape nuns who dress modestly and who keep their eyes cast down.

    Without prayer, fasting, and faith in God, we are powerless over our sɛҳuąƖ urges.

    Prayer to the saints is particularly helpful in overcoming impurity.

    For our children, it is imperative that we teach them to be prayerful and modest by our loving example. If we do not pray and fast they will not pray and fast. If we wear immodest clothing, they will too.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #3 on: April 27, 2018, 10:13:30 PM »
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  • Without prayer, fasting, and faith in God, we are powerless over our sɛҳuąƖ urges.

    Your post was mostly good, but this is an exaggeration. Perhaps "there are no guarantees" would be true. But powerless? That depends on how much natural virtue we have built up.

    There is such a thing as "natural virtue" -- which even pagans can develop.
    There is a story about a Catholic writer in the early 1900's who was travelling on a large ship, I forgot where.
    He went out on the deck to have his usual cigar, where he met a Muslim man. He made some small talk to the Muslim, something along the lines of, "gotta have my cigar!"
    The Muslim replied, "I refrain from tobacco for the love of Allah."
    The writer was so taken aback, shocked, and disgusted with himself -- "here's this pagan, with no knowledge of the true Faith, the true God, no help from the Sacraments, never nourished by the Body of Christ and he manages to abstain better than I, who have received much more graces and have more incentive to abstain."
    Angry with himself, he cut up the cigar and threw it into the ocean. He decided to give up smoking.

    I might have some of the details off, but I remember that story. It's a real lesson about pagans and natural virtue. Sometimes the pagans "show us up" and out-perform us in this or that virtue. Even though they act for purely natural reasons, and we have the motivation of Heaven and the example of all the saints!

    St. Paul also discussed this in his Epistles. He spoke about athletes giving up many things, and practicing a lot of mortification, for the sake of a perishable crown -- but we as Catholics work for an imperishable one -- we should be working even harder than those Olympic athletes!

    Think of all the liberals and "vegans" who eat no meat ever, not even fish, for years on end -- for the planet, for Mother Earth, to be a good eco-citizen, to be nice to animals, etc.
    While some Catholics whine every Friday they can't have meat :)

    The list of examples is endless.
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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #4 on: April 27, 2018, 10:35:48 PM »
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  • Your post was mostly good, but this is an exaggeration. Perhaps "there are no guarantees" would be true. But powerless? That depends on how much natural virtue we have built up.

    There is such a thing as "natural virtue" -- which even pagans can develop.
    There is a story about a Catholic writer in the early 1900's who was travelling on a large ship, I forgot where.
    He went out on the deck to have his usual cigar, where he met a Muslim man. He made some small talk to the Muslim, something along the lines of, "gotta have my cigar!"
    The Muslim replied, "I refrain from tobacco for the love of Allah."
    The writer was so taken aback, shocked, and disgusted with himself -- "here's this pagan, with no knowledge of the true Faith, the true God, no help from the Sacraments, never nourished by the Body of Christ and he manages to abstain better than I, who have received much more graces and have more incentive to abstain."
    Angry with himself, he cut up the cigar and threw it into the ocean. He decided to give up smoking.

    I might have some of the details off, but I remember that story. It's a real lesson about pagans and natural virtue. Sometimes the pagans "show us up" and out-perform us in this or that virtue. Even though they act for purely natural reasons, and we have the motivation of Heaven and the example of all the saints!

    St. Paul also discussed this in his Epistles. He spoke about athletes giving up many things, and practicing a lot of mortification, for the sake of a perishable crown -- but we as Catholics work for an imperishable one -- we should be working even harder than those Olympic athletes!

    Think of all the liberals and "vegans" who eat no meat ever, not even fish, for years on end -- for the planet, for Mother Earth, to be a good eco-citizen, to be nice to animals, etc.
    While some Catholics whine every Friday they can't have meat :)

    The list of examples is endless.
    In their pride, Muslims can boast that they give up alcohol and tobacco for the love of Allah. They can also boast that they say prayers and make prostrations five times a day, which would put most Catholics to shame. Indeed, they can also boast that they fast from sunrise to sundown during their fasting times, but don't they stuff themselves from sundown to sunrise so that they can endure the fast during the daytime? Doesn't this show hypocrisy?

    Nevertheless, few Muslims have control over their sɛҳuąƖ passions. Otherwise, why would most Muslims demand that their women wear veils and shoe length robes, and keep their eyes cast down, so as not to flirt or to tempt men.

    Then, too, look at our monastics. Do not the Dominican friars pray the Divine Office SEVEN times a day, and do not our traditional friars, brothers, and nuns make prostrations multiple times during the day and night? Look at the Melkite Eastern Catholics who during Great Lent, even the laity make many prostrations during the Pre-Sanctified Liturgy, every time the Lenten Prayer of St. Ephreim is recited. And are not the Melkites encouraged to make prostrations at home whenever they pray?

    Do you realize that all of the Muslim practices have been copied from Jєωs and Christians who existed centuries before the Islamic religion was created and revealed to Mohammed by the angel of light (Satan)?

    Finally, I must ask, who is Allah? Isn't he Satan? So, what does it profit a Muslim to abstain from alcohol and tobacco, to pray five times a day, and to fast during the daytime. They are not giving honor to God, but to Satan.

    Muslim will not be saved unless they receive a special grace from God, and praise the Lord, this is happening as I know Muslims who have converted to Christ.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #5 on: April 27, 2018, 10:40:50 PM »
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  • The Pharisees also performed many acts of natural virtue, but there was no supernatural motivation (charity, or the love of God).

    Sometimes hypocrisy enters in to it. But ultimately, they do it either for selfish or for "altruistic" or "philanthropic" reasons. Natural virtue does exist though.

    But it goes without saying that natural virtue isn't sufficient to get to heaven. That's not what I'm saying at all.

    There are certainly pagans who have mastered various appetites and desires, including the sɛҳuąƖ appetite. Any muscle or virtue can be made stronger by repeated use.

    Haven't you ever met atheists, pagans, non-religious persons who put Catholics to shame in this or that area? Everyone has. That's what I'm talking about: natural virtue. It's not going to save them, but it does exist.

    Long story short, it is sad but true that some liberal "vegans" (motivated by their love for "mother earth") gladly give up meat for years on end, but many Trad Catholics don't love God enough to give up meat with a cheerful heart every Friday. 

    Some pagans are complete hypocrites, like the Muslim fast during Ramadan (they pig out after sunset), so that's actually not a good example. There are plenty of examples where the virtue is genuine, motivated by a love for themselves, their fellow man, the environment, mother earth, future generations, etc. In short, 100% natural motivation. 

    I'm sure that God, being just, will give them a NATURAL reward (on this earth) for the natural virtues they practiced.
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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #6 on: April 27, 2018, 10:48:41 PM »
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  • Haven't you ever met atheists, pagans, non-religious persons who put Catholics to shame in this or that area? Everyone has. That's what I'm talking about: natural virtue. It's not going to save them, but it does exist.
    Yes, Natural virtue does exist. However, what does it profit a man to abstain from tobacco, alcohol, and sex if he will go to hell because he does not know, love, and serve God?
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #7 on: April 27, 2018, 11:04:29 PM »
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  • Your post was mostly good, but this is an exaggeration. Perhaps "there are no guarantees" would be true. But powerless? That depends on how much natural virtue we have built up.
    "By the Holy Spirit, every soul is quickened [Baptism and Confirmation], and by cleansing exalted made radiant [Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Confession, and Holy Communion] by the Triune Godhead, in mysterious [sacramental] manner."  -- sanctifying grace

    "By the Holy Spirit, the streams of grace pour forth, watering all the earth, that it may be fruitful." [Actual grace shines on all people].


    These two verses are taken from the Supplicatory Canon to the Most Holy Virgin Mary.

    Yes, actual grace shines on all people, and it  guides, but it does not save. Only sanctifying grace purifies, illuminates, and sanctifies souls, so that they may enter the heavenly gates leading to paradise.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #8 on: April 28, 2018, 06:42:14 AM »
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  • Yes, Natural virtue does exist. However, what does it profit a man to abstain from tobacco, alcohol, and sex if he will go to hell because he does not know, love, and serve God?
    Stop putting words in his mouth. All he was saying is that natural virtue exists, not that it saves you. 

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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #9 on: April 28, 2018, 07:44:10 AM »
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  • Yes, Maria Regina, you seem to be arguing with a phantom here. Has anyone in this thread said or suggested that pagans practicing natural virtue will -- or even might -- be saved? 

    Either you're arguing with nobody in this thread, or you're putting some serious words in my mouth, which contradict things I've actually said here!
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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #10 on: April 28, 2018, 09:14:08 AM »
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  • Also remember that grace builds on nature.  All of us can be naturally good because the natural law is on EVERY man’s heart and actual grace is available to EVERYONE.  And since God wants EVERYONE to be saved, it means those who are trying to follow the 10 Commandments, and trying to cooperate with grace, have a good chance of conversion because cooperation with grace will lead to the Truth and Catholicism.  

    16And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd. (John 10)


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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #11 on: April 30, 2018, 06:12:20 PM »
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  • Whilst feminists endlessly seek to disrespect femininity and sɛҳuąƖise women I simply do not believe that normal natural and Godly women struggle with lust in the way the average man does. 

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    Re: Women lust impurity
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  • Whilst feminists endlessly seek to disrespect femininity and sɛҳuąƖise women I simply do not believe that normal natural and Godly women struggle with lust in the way the average man does.
    And yet, it seems God placed that curse upon the woman from the very beginning in the garden.
    Regardless who "lusts" more, it certainly takes two to tango as they say;
    16To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.-Gen 3:16

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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #13 on: April 30, 2018, 08:10:55 PM »
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  • Yes, Maria Regina, you seem to be arguing with a phantom here. Has anyone in this thread said or suggested that pagans practicing natural virtue will -- or even might -- be saved?

    Either you're arguing with nobody in this thread, or you're putting some serious words in my mouth, which contradict things I've actually said here!
    I am sorry if you have misconstrued what I have written. I only wanted to emphasize that I am not a pelagianist nor a semi-pelagianist.

    Contrary to what Francis teaches and to what is taught in the CCC, I believe what the Apostles and the Holy Church have always taught, namely that Jєωs, Muslims, pagans, atheists, heretics, schismatics, and those who practice Eastern religions such as Buddhists cannot be saved, unless they convert, repent, are baptized, and/or receive absolution.

    There has been a dangerous rise in Pelagianism and in semi-pelagianism today. Francis seems to be of that mind. When I was at Holy Names College, our Dominican professors warned us about this heresy, and urged us to pray always that we might be saved.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Women lust impurity
    « Reply #14 on: April 30, 2018, 08:37:46 PM »
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  • And yet, it seems God placed that curse upon the woman from the very beginning in the garden.
    Regardless who "lusts" more, it certainly takes two to tango as they say;
    16To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.-Gen 3:16
    That curse upon the woman has little to do with lust. Women have other faults which include pride, vanity and attention seeking. That doesn't necessarily make them lustful by nature. Man is more predisposed to lust than woman.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.