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Woman fined 1.9 Million for downloading 24 songs
« on: June 19, 2009, 10:31:44 AM »
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  • A federal jury Thursday found a 32-year-old Minnesota woman guilty of illegally downloading music from the Internet and fined her $80,000 each -- a total of $1.9 million -- for 24 songs.

    Jammie Thomas-Rasset's case was the first such copyright infringement case to go to trial in the United States, her attorney said.

    Attorney Joe Sibley said that his client was shocked at the fine, noting that the price tag on the songs she downloaded was 99 cents.

    She plans to appeal, he said.

    Cara Duckworth, a spokeswoman for the Recording Industry Association of America, said the association was "pleased that the jury agreed with the evidence and found the defendant liable."

    "We appreciate the jury's service and that they take this as seriously as we do," she said.

    Thomas-Rasset downloaded work by artists such as No Doubt, Linkin Park, Gloria Estefan and Sheryl Crow.

    This was the second trial for Thomas-Rasset. The judge ordered a retrial in 2007 after there was an error in the wording of jury instructions.

    The fines jumped considerably from the first trial, which granted just $220,000 to the recording companies.

    Thomas-Rasset is married with four children and works for an Indian tribe in Minnesota.
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    Woman fined 1.9 Million for downloading 24 songs
    « Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 10:33:42 AM »
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  • More "justice" from our "justice" system. Ridiculous.

    Yes, stealing music is illegal, but charge the woman $100 or something -- the songs are only worth $24! That's petty theft, a misdemeanor!

    How is shoplifting normally dealt with? What is the typical fine or punishment? Give the same punishment to this woman.

    People get arrested for shoplifting all the time, and aren't sentenced to pay MORE THAN a lifetime's wages! Might as well throw her in prison for life, assuming this doesn't merit the death penalty.

    The RIAA is an evil organization. They care nothing for the artists, only their own greed.

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    Woman fined 1.9 Million for downloading 24 songs
    « Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 12:06:42 PM »
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  • But downloading something for personal use isn't sinful or illegal is it???

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    « Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 12:13:19 PM »
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  • It would seem that the music industry has greater control over the judicial system than it should. Not that I've researched it, but it would seem to make sense.

    I suppose it depends on what it is, Spouse. Taking a guitar out of a music store for your personal use would be shoplifting. Downloading something that is said to be freeware or perhaps shareware can be used for your own personal use.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 12:35:51 PM »
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  • As far as I know, downloading the contents of a copyrighted music CD without paying for it would be a venial sin.

    I've heard cases of priests downplaying the seriousness of it -- but I'm not sure if they are correct. Maybe they didn't understand the penitent's question?

    A deacon at the seminary I used to attend talked about this issue -- and this was a man who Bishop Williamson would use as a reference manual at times (since the deacon was studying it currently, and Bishop Williamson obviously had learned it years ago). He is now a priest, and he is intelligent with a good memory.

    Anyhow, he said that downloading expensive software (pirating software) would be grave matter due to the value of it. Photoshop is worth $600 or so. Microsoft Office is worth $700 or so.

    CDs don't add up nearly as fast, being worth only $15 apiece.

    Long story short, it's worth paying for the music you listen to -- Purgatory is much more expensive than the stupid 99 cents a song would cost you if you paid for it legitimately.

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    « Reply #5 on: June 19, 2009, 01:45:03 PM »
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  • It's breaking the law, but I think an argument could be made that it is not theft.

    The government says only authorized people have a right to copy and use certain materials.  To copy those materials is not stealing.  It is not taking something that belongs to another.  

    If infringing on that right were to cause serious financial loss and undermine a legitimate livelihood, then I can see where someone might make the case it is a sin that harms others, and is not just the sin of breaking the law.

    However, expanding copyright laws to the extent they have today, and imposing outrageous punitive decisions is clearly an abuse of the system.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 19, 2009, 04:41:29 PM »
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  • Yes, Telephorus, but two wrongs don't make a right.  The court system in this case is far more criminal than the woman who downloaded her handful of ditties.  But the question is not, did she break the law and receive a fair trial, it was "Did she SIN?"  She probably doesn't care about that question but I do.  

    I listened to a burned CD the other day and it hit me "You might be sinning."  That got me thinking.  I'd say it's not a sin if you are listening to the CD in order to sample it, to decide if you like it before buying.  Obviously if you listen to it 10,000 times while saying to yourself "I don't like it, I just have to listen to this song that is dumb but catchy ONCE more" then you are not being very honest with yourself.  

    If you listen to it once or twice and then make a firm decision "I never want to hear this garbage again," and you get rid of the burned CD, then it's okay.  It would be the equivalent of listening to it in the store, or hearing a song on the radio or YouTube.  

    I also allow myself to burn out-of-print CDs.  But keeping a library of burned CDs that you have no intention to pay for as hard copy strikes me as definitely sinful.  Even before becoming Catholic I had a crisis of conscience over my thousands of burned CDs.

    The good news is that when you become Catholic you realize how most music is not worth listening to.  It was easy to throw out my burned rock CDs because for the most part I have abandoned that genre of music -- unless I'm in the mood to study demon-possession.   :detective:
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 19, 2009, 04:53:39 PM »
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  • Oh, sorry, Tele I see you also came to the conclusion it was sinful.

    Anyway, this whole story is why I am not getting married and having kids.  I can put no faith into the world as it is today, or that my kids would be able to live according to the laws of God.

    The justice system has become like something out of a Marx Bros. film penned by Karl Marx.  It's all so Jєωιѕн and absurdist.  You can see the mind of Kafka at work with these Freemasons in robes called "judges."  They might as well just slam the gavel down and say "TEN BILLION DOLLARS!  AND YOU HAVE TO DO JUMPING JACKS WITH UNCOMFORTABLE SHOES ON EVERY DAY!  SHOES THAT PINCH!"  

    This is only going to get worse and worse.  Our legal system is completely arbitrary.  What would you expect from a country that forbids "cruel and unusual punishment" and then fricassees people in an electric chair?  Who could even devise such a thing? "I know, we'll put you in a chair, but this isn't just any chair, it'll make your eyes melt out of your sockets and your bones turn into liquid chalk!"  It seems extraordinarily baroque and complicated; what's wrong with a good ol' fashioned firing squad?
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 04:20:27 PM »
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  • Please explain how an electric chair is extraordinarily Baroque as opposed to say Gothic.
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