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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: s2srea on August 07, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
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Did someone here say there's no such thing as... racism?
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Riiiiiighhhht... Of course, I don't think that anyone here would ever condone what this man did, but this is proof that there are two sides to the race issue, not one. European racial supremacists exist. Even the moderate ones here are disturbed. Not to the extent of this poor soul, thank God.
Wis. gunman Wade Michael Page urged white supremacists to act (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0807/Wis.-gunman-Wade-Michael-Page-urged-white-supremacists-to-act)
OAK CREEK, WISCONSIN
The gunman who killed six worshippers at a Sikh temple in the U.S. played in white supremacist heavy metal bands and posted frequent comments on Internet forums for skinheads, repeatedly urging members to act more decisively to support their cause.
"If you are wanting to meet people, get involved and become active," Wade Michael Page wrote last year. "Stop hiding behind the computer or making excuses."
After Page strode into a Sikh temple Sunday with a 9mm handgun and multiple magazines of ammunition, authorities were trying to determine if the 40-year-old Army veteran was taking his own advice when he opened fire on strangers.
IN PICTURES: Sikhs around the world
Detectives said they might never know for sure. But the picture of Page that began to develop — found in dark corners of the Internet, in records from a dodgy Army career and throughout a life lived on the margins — suggested he was a white supremacist who wanted to see his beliefs advanced with action.
Page, who was shot to death by police, described himself as a member of the "Hammerskins Nation," a skinhead group rooted in Texas that has branches in Australia and Canada, according to the SITE Monitoring Service, a private intelligence firm that searches the Internet for extremist activity.
Between March 2010 and the middle of this year, Page posted 250 messages on one skinhead site and appeared eager to recruit others. In November, Page challenged a poster who indicated he would leave the United States if black Republican candidate Herman Cain was elected president.
"Stand and fight, don't run," he implored.
The bald, heavily tattooed bassist trained in psychological warfare before he was demoted and discharged from the Army more than a decade ago. After leaving the military, he became active in the obscure underworld of white supremacist music, playing in bands with names such as Definite Hate and End Apathy.
Still, Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards cautioned Monday that investigators might never know what motivated the attack on the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.
The six dead ranged in age from 39 to 84 years old. Three people were critically wounded, including a police officer. Hospital officials said they all remained in critical condition early Tuesday.
Page entered the temple as several dozen people prepared for services. He opened fire without saying a word.
The president of the temple died defending the house of worship he founded. Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65, managed to find a simple butter knife and attempted to stab the gunman before being shot twice, his son said.
Amardeep Singh Kaleka said FBI agents hugged him, shook his hand and told him his father was a hero.
"Whatever time he spent in that struggle gave the women time to get cover" in the kitchen, Kaleka said.
With their turbans and long beards, Sikhs are often mistaken for Muslims or Arabs and have inadvertently become targets of anti-Muslim bias in the United States.
Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights organization, described Page as a "frustrated neo-nαzι" whose bands' sinister-sounding names seemed to "reflect what he went out and actually did." Their lyrics talked about genocide against Jєωs and other minorities.
Page joined the military in 1992 and was a repairman for the Hawk missile system before switching jobs to become an Army psychological operations specialist in a battalion at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
In "psy-ops," Page would have trained to host public meetings between locals and American forces, use leaflet campaigns in a conflict zone or use loudspeakers to communicate with enemy soldiers.
He never deployed overseas in that role, Army spokesman George Wright said.
Page was demoted in June 1998 for getting drunk on duty and going absent without leave, two defense officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information about the gunman.
He was discharged later that year.
Page's former stepmother said she was devastated to learn of the bƖσσdshɛd.
"He was a precious little boy, and that's what my mind keeps going back to," said Laura Page, who was divorced from Page's father around 2001.
In Wisconsin, Page rented a room in Kurt Weins' house in June, saying he had recently broken up with his girlfriend and needed a place to stay. Weins said Page stayed in that room all the time, declining invitations to watch TV with him.
"We talked, but it was really about nothing," Weins said. "He seemed pretty calm. He didn't seem like the type to raise his voice."
Suburban Milwaukee police had no contact with Page before Sunday, and his record gave no indication he was capable of such violence.
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Are U going to be dumb enough to swallow the Kool-Aid from SPLC/ADL?
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Guy was in Psy-ops, a...holduntoyohatfolks........possible......wait of it....MK ULTRA!!!B :dancing-banana: :ready-to-eat: :roll-laugh2: :jumping2: :applause: :cheers: :rahrah: :dwarf: :boxer:
shout to a certain someone :wink:
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that said and all fun aside, this is a damned tragedy and will get swept under carpet......no doubt, SPLC will rake it up on news,etc.....always seem to get the carpet on this...
ALso, it is true, there are white supremicists, some with very Christ-denying views on the bible, Christ,etc....white, yes, supreme? usually not, more like trailer...... :wink:
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This is an obvious psy-op. I wouldn't expect someone who denies the existance of MK or MPD/DID to figure it out.
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Did someone here say there's no such thing as... racism?
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1130495.1344342745!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/gunman8n-5-web.jpg)
Riiiiiighhhht... Of course, I don't think that anyone here would ever condone what this man did, but this is proof that there are two sides to the race issue, not one. European racial supremacists exist. Even the moderate ones here are disturbed. Not to the extent of this poor soul, thank God.
Wis. gunman Wade Michael Page urged white supremacists to act (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0807/Wis.-gunman-Wade-Michael-Page-urged-white-supremacists-to-act)
OAK CREEK, WISCONSIN
The gunman who killed six worshippers at a Sikh temple in the U.S. played in white supremacist heavy metal bands and posted frequent comments on Internet forums for skinheads, repeatedly urging members to act more decisively to support their cause.
"If you are wanting to meet people, get involved and become active," Wade Michael Page wrote last year. "Stop hiding behind the computer or making excuses."
After Page strode into a Sikh temple Sunday with a 9mm handgun and multiple magazines of ammunition, authorities were trying to determine if the 40-year-old Army veteran was taking his own advice when he opened fire on strangers.
IN PICTURES: Sikhs around the world
Detectives said they might never know for sure. But the picture of Page that began to develop — found in dark corners of the Internet, in records from a dodgy Army career and throughout a life lived on the margins — suggested he was a white supremacist who wanted to see his beliefs advanced with action.
Page, who was shot to death by police, described himself as a member of the "Hammerskins Nation," a skinhead group rooted in Texas that has branches in Australia and Canada, according to the SITE Monitoring Service, a private intelligence firm that searches the Internet for extremist activity.
Between March 2010 and the middle of this year, Page posted 250 messages on one skinhead site and appeared eager to recruit others. In November, Page challenged a poster who indicated he would leave the United States if black Republican candidate Herman Cain was elected president.
"Stand and fight, don't run," he implored.
The bald, heavily tattooed bassist trained in psychological warfare before he was demoted and discharged from the Army more than a decade ago. After leaving the military, he became active in the obscure underworld of white supremacist music, playing in bands with names such as Definite Hate and End Apathy.
Still, Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards cautioned Monday that investigators might never know what motivated the attack on the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.
The six dead ranged in age from 39 to 84 years old. Three people were critically wounded, including a police officer. Hospital officials said they all remained in critical condition early Tuesday.
Page entered the temple as several dozen people prepared for services. He opened fire without saying a word.
The president of the temple died defending the house of worship he founded. Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65, managed to find a simple butter knife and attempted to stab the gunman before being shot twice, his son said.
Amardeep Singh Kaleka said FBI agents hugged him, shook his hand and told him his father was a hero.
"Whatever time he spent in that struggle gave the women time to get cover" in the kitchen, Kaleka said.
With their turbans and long beards, Sikhs are often mistaken for Muslims or Arabs and have inadvertently become targets of anti-Muslim bias in the United States.
Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights organization, described Page as a "frustrated neo-nαzι" whose bands' sinister-sounding names seemed to "reflect what he went out and actually did." Their lyrics talked about genocide against Jєωs and other minorities.
Page joined the military in 1992 and was a repairman for the Hawk missile system before switching jobs to become an Army psychological operations specialist in a battalion at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
In "psy-ops," Page would have trained to host public meetings between locals and American forces, use leaflet campaigns in a conflict zone or use loudspeakers to communicate with enemy soldiers.
He never deployed overseas in that role, Army spokesman George Wright said.
Page was demoted in June 1998 for getting drunk on duty and going absent without leave, two defense officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information about the gunman.
He was discharged later that year.
Page's former stepmother said she was devastated to learn of the bƖσσdshɛd.
"He was a precious little boy, and that's what my mind keeps going back to," said Laura Page, who was divorced from Page's father around 2001.
In Wisconsin, Page rented a room in Kurt Weins' house in June, saying he had recently broken up with his girlfriend and needed a place to stay. Weins said Page stayed in that room all the time, declining invitations to watch TV with him.
"We talked, but it was really about nothing," Weins said. "He seemed pretty calm. He didn't seem like the type to raise his voice."
Suburban Milwaukee police had no contact with Page before Sunday, and his record gave no indication he was capable of such violence.
Speaking of racists........ :rolleyes:
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It's long been an accepted fact in mainstream liberal circles that racism is a white man's disease. In other words, racism simply CANNOT occur outside of the white community. :dwarf:
Hispanics, blacks, Asians and others with hyphenated identities are incapable of this "crime." Thus, the actions of La Raza and other racially motivated minority groups are all about seeking "social justice." :judge:
See how simple all of this is when you put your common sense on auto-pilot?
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It's long been an accepted fact in mainstream liberal circles that racism is a white man's disease. In other words, racism simply CANNOT occur outside of the white community. :dwarf:
Hispanics, blacks, Asians and others with hyphenated identities are incapable of this "crime." Thus, the actions of La Raza and other racially motivated minority groups are all about seeking "social justice." :judge:
See how simple all of this is when you put your common sense on auto-pilot?
Yeah they say only whites can be racists because only whites have the power. Only people in power can be racists, according to the logic of these types. Of course if they had any brains they would realize that Jєωs run the show, not whites. They must understand this at some level, because you rarely see nonwhites antagonizing Jєωs.
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Racism is wrong, regardless of who propagates it and spreads it. Atzlan movement is a racist group, not advocating a return of seized lands by Masonic?prot USA, for that at least would have some merit for discussion (though would have to say no, that ship has sailed), but an excuse for anger and violence. I know of Hispanics that have run afoul of these types and been attacked. They see through the falsehood.
Alaric, do you condemn Neo-nαzιs, too??? Do you make excuses for their violence (not talking self defence)? what about many of them that go to pagan"churches"????
Curious, the paranoia and threats you seem to feel-what basis for them?
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It's long been an accepted fact in mainstream liberal circles that racism is a white man's disease. In other words, racism simply CANNOT occur outside of the white community. :dwarf:
Hispanics, blacks, Asians and others with hyphenated identities are incapable of this "crime." Thus, the actions of La Raza and other racially motivated minority groups are all about seeking "social justice." :judge:
See how simple all of this is when you put your common sense on auto-pilot?
social justice not a bad thing, but often, mis-labelled or mis-used.....that said, therare many groups that have agendas and either are racist or use racism as a cover. Many infiltrated by Govt......or used.......
Racism is a disease used by many- Japanese against other asians....blacks on other blacks, and now in S/ Africa......Zimbabwe, blacks against whites,etc...
One can also hide under nice, seemingly innocent terms like "racial pride " and "promoting my race" to mean somerthing more sinister, at times...
I have pride in my fore-bearers, Germans, Scots and Pre-Reformation Anglos,etc. It does not mean I can look down on others, nor bash them for not being what I am....
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Racism is a disease
Can you define racism in terms of Catholic morality?
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Guy was in Psy-ops, a...holduntoyohatfolks........possible......wait of it....MK ULTRA!!!B :dancing-banana: :ready-to-eat: :roll-laugh2: :jumping2: :applause: :cheers: :rahrah: :dwarf: :boxer:
shout to a certain someone :wink:
MK ULTRA does not exist? Murders by MK ULTRA subjects do not occur? Is that your point?
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There is no such thing as 'racism'.
The poster Belloc apparently believes in the chimera of said 'racism'. This is pretty sad considering that he cannot conceive the existance of MPD/DID/MK. MO is that he is a Jansenist heretic. I have forgotten: pls tell us Belloc-- who is the Pope of Roman Catholic Church at this time?
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Guy was in Psy-ops, a...holduntoyohatfolks........possible......wait of it....MK ULTRA!!!B :dancing-banana: :ready-to-eat: :roll-laugh2: :jumping2: :applause: :cheers: :rahrah: :dwarf: :boxer:
shout to a certain someone :wink:
MK ULTRA does not exist? Murders by MK ULTRA subjects do not occur? Is that your point?
it does in fact exist, replete with other isseus and such, but no, Roscoe and I go back a ways and besides is near-sacramental belief in pot, MK Ultra is his answer to everything...except, fact hat modern pot is laced with a lot of mood-altering addatives, which could nad likely is, being used by MK and other programs...
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Pls rewrite the above post so we can make some sense of it. Newer members should be aware that the posts of 'Belloc' constantly contain errors in grammar & diction.
Any substance can be combined with another. i do not doubt that this has happened to some MJ at one time or another.
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Racism is a disease
Can you define racism in terms of Catholic morality?
Pius XI did, also.....
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"Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community – however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things – whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds."
"Mark well that in the Catholic Mass, Abraham is our Patriarch and forefather. Anti-Semitism is incompatible with the lofty thought which that fact expresses. It is a movement with which we Christians can have nothing to do. No, no, I say to you it is impossible for a Christian to take part in anti-Semitism. It is inadmissible. Through Christ and in Christ we are the spiritual progeny of Abraham. Spiritually, we [Christians] are all Semites"
there are several quotes from JP2 and B16, but that will, I know, bring down the wrath and endless debating on SV, Cardinal Siri,etc....
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Pius XI nowhere uses the term 'racism' or 'racist'.
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"Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community – however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things – whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds."
"Mark well that in the Catholic Mass, Abraham is our Patriarch and forefather. Anti-Semitism is incompatible with the lofty thought which that fact expresses. It is a movement with which we Christians can have nothing to do. No, no, I say to you it is impossible for a Christian to take part in anti-Semitism. It is inadmissible. Through Christ and in Christ we are the spiritual progeny of Abraham. Spiritually, we [Christians] are all Semites"
there are several quotes from JP2 and B16, but that will, I know, bring down the wrath and endless debating on SV, Cardinal Siri,etc....
Pius XI is apparently speaking against Jєωιѕн or Zionist-style race-olotry, as adopted by some Nietzean anticommunist reactionaries. I would agree with that position. However, does Pius XI enjoin against white countries having laws discouraging non-white immigration? What about laws that limit control by Jєωs over the wider Christian economy and culture?
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History is supportive of restrictions on Jєωs in Christian nations....not killing them willy nilly, but ghettos, evictions, death penalty in some instances, but after a trial and/or decreem like the 1492 one by Catholic Monarchs.......the approach of Luther not permissible......
many ract to the Atzlan, black power, etc types with their own version, but they are false fronts and Govt is happy to stoke that fire.....do what Manson wanted to do and push for race war......
Not saying the non-white groups are not dangerous, they are and same w/gangs,etc.......but adopting the language and attitudes is equally dangerous.....makes us lower ourselves and look at others in a less then charitable way......eventually, we act out what we think.......
THe biggest threat to the white "race" if you will is contraception, abortion, lack of reproduction in general, increased barreness (due to stress, meds, poor food) and lack of people marrying or if they do, later in life when that clock is running out......
want to "protect your race", then have a pack of kids and encourage them to do the same (like the Duggars)........though, hard these days to support.....
In most dealings and interactions, I normally am around other whites, we all feel closer to what we are used to, but a black or hispanic does not normally make me nervous nor a threat......
Like the Israelis, they are being out-bred, if you will, by the arabs around them and instead of doing the same, react with violence....