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Will Pope Francis be able to rebuild the Church?
« on: May 08, 2013, 04:15:20 PM »
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  • An article from an email from the SSPX that is critical of Pope Francis:

    http://sspx.org/miscellaneous/will_pope_francis_be_able_to_rebuild_the_church_5-8-2013.htm

    Will Pope Francis be able to rebuild the Church?

    5-8-2013
       

    St. Francis of Assisi, whose name the new pontiff has taken, heard the crucified Savior say to him, "Go, Francis and rebuild my Church." These words Bishop Fellay wrote[1] as he offered his best wishes to the newly-elected Pope for a successful pontificate. Now that the spotlight is off the Vatican and each one is going about his business, may we suggest to our readers some thoughts about his ecclesiastical career and how we might obtain insights into his pontificate?
    If his work at the head of the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires (Argentina) is any indication of the future, it is difficult, perhaps even presumptuous, to be hopeful. Very conscious of the dilapidated state of his clergy, he was unable to improve vocations, seminary training, or continuing formation. Never has the seminary of Buenos Aires had as few seminarians as today.[2] The liturgies presided over by the "Cardinal of the Poor" have been poor in tradition, dignity, and sacrality. With Pope Francis we appear to be on the brink of a return to the bizarre, secular, and even sacrilegious liturgies of Paul VI’s and John Paul II’s pontificates, complete with raucous singing, dancing, and lack of care for the consecrated sacred species. Liturgies[3] as Pope Francis was accustomed to perform as cardinal would be a far cry from Benedict XVI’s efforts to restore some of the dignity worthy of the worship of God.[4]

    His position on the pressing moral issues of our day is very much in the spirit of Vatican II - contradictory. He appears to have been outspoken in support of the Church’s condemnation of the evil of abortion. Yet in the fight against the unnatural attempt to create gαy "marriages," if his two public letters have been clear statements, his course of action has been a strong defense of the rights of God.[5]
       


    "Go, Francis
    and rebuild my Church."

    Concerning the exponential rise of blasphemy in our world, Cardinal Bergoglio revealed more than once his dislike for confrontations over or demonstrations against blasphemous expositions. Is it not akin to a politician who likes to get along with everyone and will ask for peace rather than provoke a confrontation by boldly proclaiming the truth of the moral law?

    Unlike his predecessor, but in the footsteps of John Paul II, the Pope seems happy to oblige a media ever ready to turn him into a superstar. Yet this ready-made "Pope of the humble and the poor" could in reality be promoting not personal humility but humiliation of the Church and denial of the rights of Christ. As Bishop Fellay explains in his Letter to Friends and Benefactors:

        Works of charity done for the poor, the needy, the infirm, and the sick have always been a true concern for the Church, and we must not excuse ourselves from it, but if it becomes merely man-centered philanthropy, then the Church is no longer carrying out her mission, she is no longer leading souls to God, which can really be done only by supernatural means: faith, hope, charity and grace… Because if people sin for want of that denunciation, they are damned for eternity. The Church’s reason for being is to save them and to help them avoid the misfortune of their eternal perdition.

    Some hope was raised when we heard that the Pope desires to dedicate his pontificate to Our Lady of Fatima, in union with the entire episcopal conference of Portugal.[6] Yet we then learned that he expects this dedication to be a mere private act of devotion open to the voluntary participation of the Portuguese hierarchy, rather than a public act of consecration. It is likely then that he will not be the Pope who will end the current, and prevent the future, chastisement by commanding all the bishops of the world to participate in the public consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart.    

    We pray that She who has overcome all heresies will inspire the new Vicar of Christ to be another crusader against the modern errors and ecuмenical deviations which are obscuring the true face of the Bride of Christ.

    Yet at the same time, we have seen gestures from Cardinal Bergoglio and heard statements which forebode something quite different. He participated in false worship in ѕуηαgσgυєs[7] and in ambiguous ecuмenical events with Protestants.[8]

    Cardinal Bergoglio participating in ѕуηαgσgυє services

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/BkeaWNH2kCE?feature=player_embedded[/youtube]



    When asked about the statement of Benedict XVI concerning the Muslims spreading the faith by the sword, the Cardinal answered: "The Pope’s words do not have my support." And he contrasted the former pope to John Paul II, whom he considered skilled at "dialogue" with the Muslim world:

        If the Pope [Benedict XVI] fails to recognize the values of Islam, without further development, it seems to me that he will have destroyed in 20 seconds what was built in 20 years.[9]

    We could say so much more about his apparent friendliness to communists and the violently anti-Christian Argentinean government, social questions apart, on which is stance, however strong, nevertheless remains humanistic. In his biography El Jesuita [The Jesuit], he praises the work of the theologians of the liberation theology movement[10] as well as Cardinal Casaroli and his Ostpolitic compromise with communist Moscow.[11] The mission of a Pope is not compatible with an attitude of a mercenary politician ready to work for whatever is popular in the world these days. St. Augustine has this to say about mercenaries:

        You have heard the wolf coming and have fled. You have fled because you have been silent, and you have been silent because you have feared.

    Bishop Fellay, when blessing the cornerstone of the new SSPX seminary in Virginia this past month, explained that this Pope is not a European intellectual but a pragmatic man. This mindset, geared towards action, is seen clearly in his scolding of those Catholics who wish for the return of the pre-conciliar Church, that is the Church of Tradition. The Pope explains:

        The Council was a beautiful work of the Holy Spirit… some people want to go back. This is stubbornness, this is what we call trying to tame the Holy Spirit, this is what we call becoming foolish and slow of heart.[12]

       

    These words do not bode well for any coming back to sane doctrine or for any acceptable pragmatic solution to the canonical persecution of the Society of St. Pius X through our unjust canonical irregularity. We can imagine that one with this attitude would demand not only an agreement not to criticize Vatican II but an affirmative embrace of this "beautiful work," neither of which exigencies would the SSPX ever accept.

    No doubt, the pontificate of Pope Francis will blaze new trails. It would seem to be at the opposite end of the spectrum from that of the two previous Popes who were university professors. The reigning Pontiff may be more concerned about practical results. Such a desire could be for the good of the Faith and Tradition if the results desired were the rebuilding of the Faith and thereby the Church; although we have many reasons to fear that the results he doggedly pursues will prove more detrimental to the Church than Benedict XVI’s moderate reforms proved favorable. So, more than ever, this is a time for all traditional Catholics to pray for Peter, for the gift of fortitude in fulfilling his mission of "confirming his brethren in the Faith."


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    Please pray for the repose of my soul.


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    Will Pope Francis be able to rebuild the Church?
    « Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 01:04:26 AM »
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  • He might give that little baby-step that is needed to create a cascade effect that would take the Catholic Church out of the coma-like state where it is now.

    All what is needed is his conversion, right after that he would make the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and She'll do the rest.

    If you believe this is impossible, then you've lost all hope already.
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    Will Pope Francis be able to rebuild the Church?
    « Reply #2 on: May 09, 2013, 02:15:34 PM »
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    Will Pope Francis be able to rebuild the Church?


    This is like asking if Anakin Skywalker will be able to rebuild the Jedi Temple and the Republic.

    (N.B.:  For those who may not know, this is a reference to Star Wars, the film of popular culture)

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    Will Pope Francis be able to rebuild the Church?
    « Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 07:50:57 PM »
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  • I was going to open a new thread but this seems to belong to this thread:




    Pope Francis:

    Pro-Abortion Politicians Ineligible for Communion


    by Steven Ertelt; 7 May 13


    LifeNews.com                    

    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/05/07/pope-francis-pro-abortion-politicians-ineligible-for-communion/

    The Vatican --- A letter Pope Francis sent to the bishops of Argentina in late March is encouraging pro-life advocates because it says pro-abortion politicians should not be eligible for communion in the Catholic Church.  Pope Francis directed the Argentinean bishops to govern the Church there following the Aparecida Docuмent.  The text states, in part, "[people] cannot receive Holy Communion and at the same time act with deeds or words against the commandments, particularly when abortion, euthanasia, and other grave crimes against life and family are encouraged.  This responsibility weighs particularly over legislators, heads of governments, and health professionals."

    "These are the guidelines we need for this time in history," the pope wrote to the bishops.

    Judie Brown, president of American Life League, a U.S.-based pro-life group, and Michael Hichborn, director of Defend the Faith for American Life League, sent a letter to all U.S. Catholic bishops alerting them to what Pope Francis wrote.

    "We are renewed in our joy over the election of Pope Francis.  One of the reasons for our happiness is the Holy Father's reiteration of Catholic teaching as enunciated in canon 915," the letter reads.

    "We pray that these words will be an encouragement to you as well because, like Argentina, the United States has her share of Catholics in public life who persist in their support of abortion while, at the same time, receiving Christ in the sacrament of Holy Eucharist," it continues.  "We write to ask you, in view of this recent news report, to act on Pope Francis' call and deny the sacrament of Christ's real presence-body, blood, soul, and divinity-to every pro-abortion Catholic in public life who has not repented of his support for the heinous crime of abortion."

    The communion issue was exacerbated when, despite their pro-abortion views, Vice President Joe Biden and House Democratic Leader Nancy Peℓσѕι both received communion..

    < http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/20/pro-abortion-biden-and-Peℓσѕι-received-communion-at-mass-for-pope-francis/ >

    ..at the Mass to celebrate Pope Francis' inauguration.  Biden's office confirmed to the Washington Times that he had received communion and reporters in the White House presidential reporting pool confirmed in an e-mail to LifeNews that Peℓσѕι had received it as well.  Pope Francis did not administer the sacrament.

    Father Frank Pavone told the LifeNews he opposed the two pro-abortion politicos receiving communion since their pro-abortion views are outside the teachings of the Catholic Church.

    The Priests for Life leader said, "At a Mass during which our new Pope emphasized the duty public officials - and all the rest of us - have to protect the weakest among us, Joe Biden and Nancy Peℓσѕι have the audacity to receive Communion while publicly renouncing their responsibility to protect the weakest among us."

    "Some Church leaders mistakenly think we are advocating the use of the Eucharist as a 'weapon.'  In fact, we are defending the Eucharist from being used as a political tool.  These politicians have no respect for what the Eucharist means: an integral, consistent union with Christ and with all our brothers and sisters.  To receive Christ while rejecting the unborn is a slap in the face to both," he added.





     
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    Will Pope Francis be able to rebuild the Church?
    « Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 08:34:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: DoubtingThomas
    He might give that little baby-step that is needed to create a cascade effect that would take the Catholic Church out of the coma-like state where it is now.

    All what is needed is his conversion, right after that he would make the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and She'll do the rest.

    If you believe this is impossible, then you've lost all hope already.


    For those who haven't heard, :reporter: Francis is anti-pope & the consecration of Russia has already been done by Pius XII.

     :detective:

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    « Reply #5 on: May 10, 2013, 09:36:54 PM »
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    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 10, 2013, 09:38:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: roscoe
    the consecration of Russia has already been done by Pius XII.


    Not true.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 10, 2013, 09:46:49 PM »
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  • I am NOT an SV but.....explain to me how this Francis is a true Pope if he isn't even a priest.


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    Will Pope Francis be able to rebuild the Church?
    « Reply #8 on: May 10, 2013, 11:35:11 PM »
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  • After all Francis does not want to known as Pope, but the Bishop of Rome.
    Equal among equals among the college of Cardinals and Bishops.
    However, God has other plans.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 11, 2013, 05:18:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: roscoe
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    He might give that little baby-step that is needed to create a cascade effect that would take the Catholic Church out of the coma-like state where it is now.

    All what is needed is his conversion, right after that he would make the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and She'll do the rest.

    If you believe this is impossible, then you've lost all hope already.


    For those who haven't heard, :reporter: Francis is anti-pope & the consecration of Russia has already been done by Pius XII.

     :detective:



    If Pope Francis I is an antipope, where is the other Cardinal claiming the Chair of Peter?

    Pope Francis I is a Pope, materialiter, but Pope, IMO.

    I read a book called: Fatima, Rome, Moscow. The consecration is still missing, IMO.
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    « Reply #10 on: May 11, 2013, 06:44:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
    Quote from: roscoe
    the consecration of Russia has already been done by Pius XII.


    Not true.


    If the consecration of Russia was done by Pius XII, then Fatima was a false vision, for there has been no conversion of Russia to the Catholic Faith.  But, of course, the historical record is quite clear; Pius XII did NOT consecrate Russia to anything.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 11, 2013, 10:55:37 AM »
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  • So i guess it is all the fault of Pius XII that there is no peace in the world.

     U guys are a bunch of marian idolaters & v2 anti-church heretics who think u are the pope.  :facepalm:
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    « Reply #12 on: May 11, 2013, 11:06:53 AM »
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  • Additionally u are aiding & abetting Prot heretics by giving them ammunition for the lie that Catholics put worship of Mary over Jesus.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #13 on: May 11, 2013, 11:33:23 AM »
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    So i guess it is all the fault of Pius XII that there is no peace in the world.

     U guys are a bunch of marian idolaters & v2 anti-church heretics who think u are the pope.  :facepalm:


    No, you're apparently too prideful to give the Blessed Virgin Mary the respect that she deserves, and you don't belong on this forum. Need I remind you again what St. Louis-Marie de Montfort said (who, I will add, was Canonized by Pope Pius XII):

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    "A true child of the Church must have God for his Father and Mary for his mother. If he prides himself on having God for his Father, but does not give Mary the tender affection of a true child, he is an imposter and his father is the Devil." --- St. Louis de Montfort


    You really need to study your Catechism, because you don't know your Faith, and apparently the person who thumbed up your post doesn't either.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 11, 2013, 11:36:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: roscoe
    So i guess it is all the fault of Pius XII that there is no peace in the world.

     U guys are a bunch of marian idolaters & v2 anti-church heretics who think u are the pope.  :facepalm:

    Additionally u are aiding & abetting Prot heretics by giving them ammunition for the lie that Catholics put worship of Mary over Jesus.


    Perhaps you should quit this forum for Catholics and find one that caters to your cult.