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Offline nhoj

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Will Christans be left behind when the repture comes
« on: January 09, 2013, 06:45:13 PM »
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  • My wife and I was talking about the repture and I said that the Non-Christan will go first and the Christans will be left behind and welcome Christ, and she says that it is the other way around. Who is right?

    What books will you find this information in?

    Also I am looking for a website and I belive it is called The welcome home network or something like that. Can you please help me out here.


    Offline Quo Vadis Petre

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    Will Christans be left behind when the repture comes
    « Reply #1 on: January 09, 2013, 06:53:30 PM »
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  • Umm, Catholics don't believe in the Rapture. And, here, we don't link to any Protestant sites.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    Offline MaterLaeta

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    Will Christans be left behind when the repture comes
    « Reply #2 on: January 09, 2013, 06:54:19 PM »
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  • I am an ex-protestant and have learned since becoming a traditional Catholic that the rapture isn't even a Catholic concept!

    I would stay far away from that.

    Are you talking about the COming Home Network for protestant ministers converting to Catholicism?

    You would be well off to do some research on traditional  Catholicism.  The main page of the Fisheaters website is a goldmine of information on Catholicism.

    Here is the link to the main page:  http://www.fisheaters.com/.

    Here is a link to a page about the end times:  http://www.fisheaters.com/endtimes.html.

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    Will Christans be left behind when the repture comes
    « Reply #3 on: January 09, 2013, 06:58:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: nhoj
    My wife and I was talking about the repture and I said that the Non-Christan will go first and the Christans will be left behind and welcome Christ, and she says that it is the other way around. Who is right?

    What books will you find this information in?

    Also I am looking for a website and I belive it is called The welcome home network or something like that. Can you please help me out here.
    What the heck is the "repture"? :confused1:

    Offline Anthony Benedict

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    Will Christans be left behind when the repture comes
    « Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 07:21:58 PM »
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    My wife and I was talking about the repture and I said that the Non-Christan will go first and the Christans will be left behind and welcome Christ, and she says that it is the other way around. Who is right?
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    What books will you find this information in?

    Also I am looking for a website and I belive it is called The welcome home network or something like that. Can you please help me out here.
    What the heck is the "repture"? :confused1:


    That's for the folks that tumble out of the flight pattern during lift off and need to "repeat" their "rapture".   :dancing-banana:
     
    And, nhoj, if you happen to be from a protestant background, the "rapture" is, I am well aware, a popular myth in evangelical circles.  There is no ecclesiastical, Scriptural or theological basis for any of the claims it makes, however.  To be honest, probably one of the most useful, in-depth resources you can check out is at EWTN's "Catholic Answers" website.  A quick search over there and I am quite sure you will find some very clear explanations about how this notion got its start ( not all that long ago, actually ) and why it is made up of whole cloth from the overworked imagination of folks with no theological foundation except their own highly individual, protestant opinion.

    I would not normally mention either EWTN or "Catholic Answers", but I take it that you may be just becoming acquainted with Catholicism. So, despite the fact that no one at either of those sites is friendly to Traditional Catholics, they have amassed a great number of reliable tracts on subjects helpful to people who have been exposed to the errors taught by protestants.  And, they are very polite folks, unless you happen to be a Traditionalist...   :laugh1:

    Good luck and happy hunting.

    PS: Marcus Grodi is an ex-minister and interviews converts on his "The Journey Home" broadcasts. He may very well have some materials about folks caught up in the sensationalism of the "rapture" movement,as well, prior to their becoming Catholic.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 06:10:33 AM »
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  • While it is true that the so-called rapture has no basis in sound
    theological exegesis or doctrine, still, it is worth being aware of how
    Protestants have latched on to this false teaching sometimes rather
    tenaciously.  You can get into some seriously heated exchanges
    with them if you're not careful.  At some point, it's better to not
    even touch on that topic.  But any discussion of what is in the near
    future for mankind in salvation history goes right to this rapture
    theme when there is even one Protestant in the group.  

    The most alarming aspect of it, in my experience is how they like to
    couch the whole theme in their very EMOTIONAL personal
    experience.  They are wont to describe some personal revelation
    they had, when "the SPIRIT OF GOD spoke to me," etc.  They prayed
    really hard, "even passion prayer!"  and then the Lord said to
    them something where they have forthwith planted the foundation
    of all their faith.  I am wont to tell them that since this foundation
    rests on the substrate of pure emotions, that their faith is a house
    built on sand.  They need Scripture properly quoted (for a change!)
    or they just don't seem to get it.  

    Even in their own present description of their personal experience,
    they can get all shaky and trembling, and shed tears and cry and
    break out in a sweat, and raise their voice to a shrill high tone.  
    It's quite a sight.  It would seem they may be possessed, but who
    knows??  And because of this personal investment they have in
    how precious is their so-called faith, they would take it instantly
    as an affront and insult to their own integrity if you would so much
    as question them or their "vision."  

    Has anyone here had a run-in with this?  





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    « Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 11:15:20 AM »
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  • You've just described, perfectly, the "charismaniac" vicitms of Medjugoogooism.

    The "charismatic movement" was launched in Pittsburgh, PA in the late 1960s by postconciliarly-disoriented "Catholic heretics" and their protestant heretic pals after a "group experience" - centered on a reading of the novel, "The Cross and the Switchblade" - metastasized globally.

    There are, I believe, objectively demonstrable psychological forces at work in the "movement".  And those forces are malignant. In the 19th century, a work by a Catholic priest ( name forgotten, now ) wrote on "Entusiasm" as a response to the "Great Awakening"  ( e.g., Elmer Gantry-style crapola ) that he saw in America.  As Neil mentioned, the entire phenomenon is natural, hyperemotional and doctrinally empty.

    The great Catholic theologians, including Doctors of the Church such as St. John of the Cross, emphasize that any genuine supernatural experience is rooted in the dogmatic teachings of the Church.  There are no other forms.  Period.

    As to intention, a subjective matter at which only a guess can be tossed, it seems from my own experience with charismaniac Medjugoogoos ( from years back ) that they are "fervorini", the sort of loose canons that put on a great show of slobbering piety, near-hysterical "sensitivity" and great fondness for the latest "spiritual high".  They're addicts.  And, just as when the bottle or the syringe is empty, will stop at nothing to get high, again, there is little chance of reasoning with them.  Like the commited drunk or junky, they have to hit bottom before they even begin to want to sober up.
     
    Thus, it seems the "rapture" crowd is an evangelical variant of the "charismatic movement" in the Catholic Church, with all its Medjugoogoo zealots, "three days of darkness / apocalyptic" phobics - and every other soi disant "prophet" peddling books, tapes and personal appearances.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 11, 2013, 09:30:30 AM »
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  • I think these evangelist types take the Rapture idea from   Matthews Gospel  24.

     :scratchchin:

    Sorry about the link but it will enable you to have a quick browse then you may delete it.

    http://www.rapturesolution.com/beechick/Gray/Matt2431.htm


    Offline Nishant

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    « Reply #8 on: January 11, 2013, 01:57:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    It is worth being aware of how Protestants have latched on to this false teaching sometimes rather tenaciously.  You can get into some seriously heated exchanges with them if you're not careful. Has anyone here had a run-in with this?


    Yes, I have. I simply point out to them that the event described by the Apostle in 1 Thess 4 happens, as it plainly says there, after the general resurrection and the raising of the dead. It is describing an event post-history at the end of time that takes place at the Second Coming, along with the Last Trumpet, when the Son of Man comes to judge the living and the dead. It is not a distinct event from the Second Coming and the Last Judgment.

    Most Protestants believe this refers to an event in time, a secret snatching away at a period of time before the end, because Christ wants to save them from suffering.

    The Rapture was unheard of before a 150 years ago. Some Protestants apparently think no one ever read these passages before them. Others are simply unaware that both the text itself and their traditional interpretation plainly and logically show this novel and heterodox idea to be false.

    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 11, 2013, 03:17:29 PM »
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  • Because protestants are separated from Our Lady, from the Holy Church, from the Blessed Sacrament, from the saints and from Sacred Traditions then they are truly separated from Jesus Christ, Our Lord.  

    Being in this state of separation, it's not unlikely that once their minds move from something mined from one or two lines of scripture (to the exclusion of all else) then their minds will embrace something equally incorrect.  

    We Catholics have had our antipopes and the concilliarist heresy (this will be the title given to the current crisis sometimes in the future), but if you look at the history of protestantism it's one gross error after another!