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« on: November 25, 2012, 09:31:01 AM »
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  •   We will soon be moving from St. Marys, KS---most likely at the end of Winter---God willing. With this in mind we have decided to share with the few regulars on "Cathinfo" (and those who spy on us too) a very impressive grave in our Mt. Calvary Cemetery which we frequent and will miss beyond measure.

      The Mt. Calvary Cemetery is over 130 years old and has a great many Jesuit priests buried there. In the same vicinity as the priest graves there is the grave of Rosetta Kirkland. Her grave tells us she was 24 years 7 days when she died on September 26, 1883. It goes on to say she is buried with her infant son who died on September 25, 1883, aged 7 hours. It appears as though she died from complications of childbirth and her infant son died too. Some noble person had this written on her grave:

        "This frail monumental is the sentinel of my grave
            Pass it not in dumb forgetfulness of me
            Linger here a moment in silent hope and prayer
            That in aftertime another may pay like tribute of thee."


      This, of course, caught our attention the first time we saw it some 6 years ago. Hence most of our cemetery visits are to her grave. Her husband must have moved on as he doesn't seem to be buried in the cemetery although there are a couple of other Kirkland family members buried next to her.

       Here are some pictures we took recently so we wouldn't forget to pray for her after we are moved away. Will you all please pray for her too? Remember the words of Saint Paul: "Therefore, whilst we have time, let us work good to all men, but especially to those who are of the household of the faith" -- Galatians Chpt 6 v7

       There is another section of the tombstone we include with the photos that has words that start with "There is..." Anybody that can help decipher it we would appreciate it. We are having trouble with a few words. God speed. And thank you for praying for her.







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    « Reply #1 on: November 25, 2012, 12:42:56 PM »
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  • She must have been very beloved, and her family must have been rather wealthy to afford such an elaborate tombstone. 3 Aves for the repose of the soul of Rosetta Kirkland.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 25, 2012, 10:22:54 PM »
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  •  :pray:
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 10:15:10 AM »
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  • I looked up this family.  Genealogy is a hobby of sorts.

    George A. Kirkland was an attorney, born in Indiana to Irish parents.  

    He married the Miss Rosa Kane, daughter of Thomas and Bridget Kane of Ireland.

    The beloved Rosa left behind also an infant son named Charles Michael.  He was born on August 19, 1882 and was just over 1 year old when his mother died, along with his brother.

    Charles went on to have a long military history and died in 1965.

    Hope this helps put a story of sorts to your beloved Rosetta.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 08:37:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: CathMomof7
    I looked up this family.  Genealogy is a hobby of sorts.

    George A. Kirkland was an attorney, born in Indiana to Irish parents.  

    He married the Miss Rosa Kane, daughter of Thomas and Bridget Kane of Ireland.

    The beloved Rosa left behind also an infant son named Charles Michael.  He was born on August 19, 1882 and was just over 1 year old when his mother died, along with his brother.

    Charles went on to have a long military history and died in 1965.

    Hope this helps put a story of sorts to your beloved Rosetta.


      This is absolutely fantastic information! I mean as far as learning more about her and her family. The poor soul! To lose your child and know you are dying and leaving behind another child and your husband!! We will keep praying for her to be enjoying the beatific vision!

      Wonder if there was ever a photo of the little family.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 12:08:20 PM »
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  • You made a couple of boo-boos here:


    "This frail  monumental  memorial is the sentinel of my grave
            Pass it not in dumb forgetfulness of me
            Linger here a moment in silent hope and prayer
            That in aftertime another may pay like tribute to  f  thee."


    RosettaKirkland3.png
    And this section has a lot of lichen or dirt stuck to the stone:

    There is an elysian home beyond this setting alloy (?)
    Where hope becomes real and life an endless joy
    Beauty never fades in Heaven's fair face,
    And the ----ous are endeared to the angels' grace


    The -s- in setting, the -A- in And and the -g- in grace are cropped off the
    left side - was there more width to this photo that got lost somehow?


    I thought it might be some famous poetry, but can't find anything
    close using a search engine.  A lot of Keats, Wordsworth, Shelley and
    the like comes up, but only scattered words.  The engraver seems to
    have had a hard time with pockets of hard crystals in the stone, so
    he shifted his cuts to avoid them, and the letters do not have a
    very consistent spacing or shape, which makes it more challenging.
    The tail of the -y- is not the same length in each case, for example.
    This was probably carved without the benefit of carbide or diamond
    drills, so a very hard pocket of quartz or carborundum may have had
    an effect on the shape of the various letters.

    The two words you had the most trouble with, following "There is"
    seem to be "an elysian.."  The key to this puzzle is to look for the
    other places where an a is engraved.  All of the a's are shaped like
    a -c- with the body of an -i- without the dot:   a slight point on the
    top of the body.  Realizing this common feature, you can discern the
    -a- in the first word and the second word, "an elysian."  The -y- in
    elysian does not look like other y's in this engraving, but it is obscured
    by some stain, as well as having been carved irregularly in the first
    place. Also, there is a black mark above the -an- in "elysian" that makes
    these two letters appear as -cm- but not very convincingly.  Keep
    in mind that all the -a's- here are like a -c- smunched to a dotless -i-
    and you can readily see it is -an-, not -cm-.  Context is invaluable in
    these kinds of interpretations.  That is, don't just look at the thing or
    the word you can't figure out; then you'll be stuck in a rut!  Look all
    around it as well, and try to make the whole adhere together in
    context, in all its particulars.  That's the way it was likely made:  as
    a unified whole, not as a mish-mash of components (unless, that is,
    there were two or more engravers working on this one project, which
    is possible, but not very likely).

    The word "elysian" was not easy to read.  But it fits the context very
    well, as it is defined as a place of paradise, or land of bliss.  Once you
    think of this word being the one that is there, it's practically
    impossible to imagine that it could have been something else.

    Sorry, in the last line I cannot make out the word ----ous.  Perhaps
    using these clues I have provided you can go back there and pick
    out the lichen from the grooves and bring a toothbrush with some
    water or a little bleach (5%) so you can clean up the word.  If you
    take another picture, use a sidelight or flash from a different angle,
    like have someone hold a flashlight on the right and you take the
    photo straight on, then have the flashlight on the left and take
    another straight-on photo.



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    « Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 12:59:39 PM »
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  • Where I said "...beyond this setting alloy (?)"

    ..it should have been "...beyond this ebbing alloy."  

    I had thought the -s- in setting was cropped off, but now I see the arris  
    of the monument is chamfered there, but your photo only shows the first
    hint of that, before it disappears having been cropped or cut off.

    So there is no room for the -s- and what looked like -tt- is actually -bb-.

    The word "ebbing" fits better poetically than "setting" anyway.

    I wish I could get that one missing word.  This is turning out to be a
    rather pretty little verse, but it has that one gaping hole in it... :reading:






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    « Reply #7 on: November 27, 2012, 01:04:07 PM »
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  • I find it most poignant that you will miss the cemetery so much - how charitable you are to plead for the Church Suffering.  God bless you for your goodness.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 27, 2012, 01:24:27 PM »
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  • I think it must be "virtuous."  That fits very well, but I thought it was not
    possible with the black marks that are visible.  Now, I can see that all the
    parts of these letters can be there, and there is just a lot of stains on top.


    So this is what I think it says:  


    There is an elysian home beyond this
    ebbing alloy

    Where hope becomes real and life an endless
    joy

    Beauty never fades in Heaven's fair face,

    And the virtuous are endeared to the angels'
    grace



    Very nice.  Must be Irish.


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    « Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 12:54:32 AM »
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  • Wow, Neil,
     :applause:
    I, for one, am impressed. You are quite the detective.
     :detective:

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    « Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 01:25:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
    Wow, Neil,
     :applause:
    I, for one, am impressed. You are quite the detective.
     :detective:



    Thank you, .......and........ thank you!    :wink:
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    « Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 02:48:44 AM »
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  • One more thing, sspxbvm:  

    It comes to my attention that you took two front photos of the memorial, one
    of which is a close-up, and then you took a close-up of the reverse (back)
    which has "This frail memorial is the sentinel of my grave...," then you took and
    show one more close-up, and it was of the right side, which has: "There is an
    elysian home beyond this ebbing alloy..."  The shadows and highlights of the
    shots reveal the direction the camera was facing for each photo.

    My question to you is, do you have another close-up that's of the LEFT side
    of the memorial?  I find it odd that the front would be so elaborately engraved,
    and then the back and right side with such meet and unique verse, if it were
    true that the left side should be left unadorned entirely.  Your third upload,
    RosettaKirkland4.png, shows the top fragments of prominent relief block
    letters, of all caps: KIRKLAN, obviously her last name, without the uppermost
    shred of the D showing.  But as the chamfer above reveals the limits of the
    right side (actually "left" if viewed from the front), there is just enough room
    there for the D, so it must be there in reality, just not visible in the photo.

    These classic standing monuments frequently show the last name on the
    reverse side, but not on the right or left.  

    Your upload file names are missing RosettaKirkland2.png - could that be the
    missing close-up?  Also, it would be nice to see a closeup of that bas-relief
    carving in the circle, in front, right about eye level.  That was probably the
    most expensive feature of all the engraving work on this monument.  And
    then, directly above that there appears to be an oak tree, with leafy
    foliage that rises all the way to the top of the column.  Is that an illusion?
    Or, is the trunk of the oak tree carved into the stone, and the stone above
    has weathered to appear as leaves on an impressionist canvas?  Certainly
    paint would not have lasted 129 years.  The engraver would have to have
    been thinking WAY ahead to anticipate what the stone surface would look
    like after 5 quarter-centuries had passed!!  When this monument was first
    erected those evergreen trees in the background had yet been no more
    than mere saplings!



    All this attention Rosetta Kirkland is getting:  her husband literally put a lot of
    effort into making sure she would have a chance to be remembered.  They
    would never have guessed their memorial would circle the world a thousand
    times via the Internet!  Whatever expense George put forth to achieve it is
    finally paying off!  But I have another question:  was their 7-hour old son
    baptized?  If so, he is a saint in heaven!  If he had been baptized, he would
    have had a name, for that is part of baptism:  "I baptize thee Charles Michael,
    in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."  That
    would have been for his big brother.  The infant who died would have been
    baptized during his 7 hour lifetime, after his birth.  So there should be a
    baptismal record at the local parish for Sept. 24th or 25th, 1883.  If so, that
    would also reveal what his name is, and would be the name of another saint
    to whom we could pray for his intercession!  How many of those there must
    be:  saints in heaven that nobody ever asks for graces, because they are
    forgotten!





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    « Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 06:21:25 PM »
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  •   Neil Obstat,

      I have personally stood there staring at the stone and tracing my fingers over the letters. Still I wasn't able to decipher what it said in its entirety. After I took the picture and put it on our computer I noticed it was a little easier to read! However, I was still not able to read it all. YOU come along and put every piece to the puzzle together! Wow! Fantastic work!

      I will head out there on Sunday and take the picture of the other side which you requested. Actually, there doesn't appear to be any writing on that side.

      We have been so diligently praying for the repose of the soul of Rosetta Kirkland we have (to our regret) neglected to think of how great a situation we have stumbled upon! The child is very possibly a saint!

      The Jesuits were here when the two souls left this earth. We will have to do some digging to see where the records went. The last of the Jesuit graves are in the 1960's. The first thing to do would be to make sure the Jesuits were actually here already by finding a grave in or before 1883.
     
      We will get right on it! Any suggestions--just throw them out there and we will take it seriously! Somebody comes around once in  a while and puts artificial flowers at the grave but figuring out who that is and if they know anything more than we know would be hard to do.

      Let's see if we can come up with a name for our little (possible) saint.  

     

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    « Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 10:06:34 PM »
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  • Try the Kansas Historical Society.  They have a lot of records from the Jesuits.

    Here's a link for the microfilm number for the Jesuits records, including baptism registers.

    If you scroll down, you will see the film # and section for the Baptism register from 1871-1872.  Then there is another for 1883-1895.

    If you have time, you can go down to the Society in Topeka and ask to look at the registers.  

    If the Baptism register gives you no clues, try the one for interments and funerals.

    Oh, I hope you can do this!  I just love a good genealogical search!

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    « Reply #14 on: November 29, 2012, 08:50:46 AM »
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  • Of course, it's quite possible he was baptized privately without any record.

    If a Catholic nurse in the hospital did it, for example, since Rosetta was in such
    distress (she died the next day) perhaps the child's situation didn't get as much
    attention as it might have if the mother had been okay.  But I've not heard of
    private baptisms being recorded when they were done in an emergency.

    The record is what they go by to generate a certificate, but that isn't the
    essence of the reality.  What counts is God's record, and we don't normally
    have access to that!  Now, if you could ask Padre Pio, for example.............




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