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Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2019, 09:26:57 AM »
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  • What foul blasphemy from the OP!

    His words are surrounded by the stench of Hell itself, and the satanic pride of the fallen angels.

    Mr. "unknown" has been duly banned for overt blasphemy.
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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #16 on: May 02, 2019, 09:29:55 AM »
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  • I took a look at the OP's site, and he has an inordinate preoccupation with topics touching on the sixth and ninth commandment.  

    Matthew, is this the same Puritan guy that you banned a long time ago?


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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #17 on: May 02, 2019, 09:30:14 AM »
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  • There is some great stuff in that citation from St. Bridget.

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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #18 on: May 02, 2019, 09:34:29 AM »
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  • Ok, it all makes sense now.  I took a look at the OP's site, and he has an inordinate preoccupation with topics touching on the sixth and ninth commandment.  

    St. Thomas teaches that lust is the vice most opposed to the virtue of Faith.  This man struggles with impurity, but with his newfound doctrine of "universal salvation", he needn't worry about it anymore.  



    I agree. He's another Martin Luther!
    I believe this is the same man "Heitanen" who was banned here a few times before. 
    He is basically a modern day Puritan or Manichaean (who believes that the body -- and sex -- is evil).
    He is certainly obsessed with sex just like Heitanen -- although he is a single man (a recent convert from protestantism), he is constantly thinking, talking, and researching about sex. A quick glance of his homepage showed articles about oral sex, how the missionary position is the only legitimate one, how married couples must not give in to sɛҳuąƖ desire even for each other, etc.

    He's a pervert.
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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #19 on: May 02, 2019, 09:40:48 AM »
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  • This is garbage. Delete.


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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #20 on: May 02, 2019, 09:47:50 AM »
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  • I agree. He's another Martin Luther!
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    He's a pervert.

    And, as in the case of Martin Luther, sɛҳuąƖ perversion often leads to heresy.

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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #21 on: May 02, 2019, 10:12:16 AM »
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  • This is garbage. Delete.
    I actually deleted most of it -- I had to leave a few remnants to remind everyone why I banned him.
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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #22 on: May 02, 2019, 10:13:55 AM »
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  • I actually deleted most of it -- I had to leave a few remnants to remind everyone why I banned him.
    Thanks, Matthew. 


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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #23 on: May 02, 2019, 10:17:19 AM »
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  • If this IS Heitanen (and I can't imagine that it isn't him -- he has the same M.O., same peculiar beliefs, etc.) then it's fascinating in a bad way where his Puritan heresy led him.

    After all, I and others called him what he was: a Puritan heretic. 

    Who was right? Me or him?

    Well, considering he is literally blaspheming God at the moment, I'd say my "opinion" was massively vindicated and proven correct. Not only was I right that he is obsessed with sex in an unhealthy way (for an unmarried man, who claimed that he was recently converted to the Catholic faith), but now he has turned that obsession into a justification for continued sin, Martin Luther style.

    He goes from being a super-strict Traditional Catholic who teaches that one must not even enjoy sex with one's lawful spouse, to saying "enjoy yourself, feel good, you're not going to Hell"?

    See where error leads a person -- even if that error APPEARS to be benign because it leans towards rigorism and strictness. Error is still error!
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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #24 on: May 02, 2019, 10:37:58 AM »
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  • I have very conservative views about sɛҳuąƖity. Does that make me a sɛҳuąƖ pervert? Am I a "puritan heretic"? As one with conservative views on sɛҳuąƖity I find it interesting that sɛҳuąƖ "rigorism" is opposed by many traditional  Catholics online more strongly and more viscerally than most other unpopular opinions.
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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #25 on: May 02, 2019, 10:52:35 AM »
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  • ... sɛҳuąƖ "rigorism" is opposed by many traditional  Catholics online more strongly and more viscerally than most other unpopular opinions.

    Hardly.

    Do you even know the stuff Heitanen was spewing?


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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #26 on: May 02, 2019, 11:03:34 AM »
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  • Hardly.

    Do you even know the stuff Heitanen was spewing?
    Hardly? Is it not being strongly opposed here as it always is (even though sɛҳuąƖ morality was not even the point of the OP)? (and whenever this issue comes up on CI Matthew chimes in with charges of "puritan heresy" and users always post about how the "rigorist" is really a sɛҳuąƖ pervert as in this thread? and often the posters are banned). Heitanen was a poster from many years ago so I do not remember all of his ideas. But I have read some of the "rigorist" sites (I believe one was ridiculously titled truesaints.com or something like that) in the past and I have read some of Jerome's old blog posts from before he became a heretic who denies the eternity of hell. But Lad, you yourself are condemned as a rigorist and a heretic for rejecting NFP even though you do not go as far as Jerome.
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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #27 on: May 02, 2019, 11:47:53 AM »
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  • Heitanen taught that married people kissing each other was a sin.
    He taught that doing anything to "stoke desire", even things like having sufficient lighting to see one's spouse naked to any degree, was sinful.
    I think he even required that you pray and make acts of the will to reject any pleasure during coitus itself!

    Complete garbage, from a Catholic perspective.
    I'm sorry, but such teachings make a mockery of the Catholic Church's conservative (and unpopular nowadays) teachings on sex.

    His website -- which obsessed on issues of sex and little else -- was more consonant with Puritanism and Manichaeism (Good God made the soul, evil "god" made the body and the material world) than Catholicism.

    I'll give you another hint, Matto --

    Often times an individual will form too strict a position on something, due to sins in his own past. The person carries baggage, and is trying to make up for what he did in the past with extra strictness today.

    For example, many sedevacantists and Dimond Bros. followers exaggerate the evils and status of the Novus Ordo Mass because they once attended it, and are still smarting from the betrayal of their priests and angry at what was taken from them. Also consider that many converts to Tradition still bear many scars from their days in the Novus Ordo, including divorces, annulments, being involuntarily single, and/or being in a bad marriage. They chose from the Novus Ordo for their spouse, and therefore they chose poorly. And now they are angry. They are also angry at being "behind" in knowledge and virtue compared to other Trads their age.

    And of course there's the classic example of the man who has a sɛҳuąƖ "past" and now strives to make sure he's on the right side by being extra strict. He reasons that if he goes too far, so much the better, to A) show God his sincerity and good will and B) do penance for his past sins

    Such is human, but still results in rigorism and even error. This is especially bad when it causes individuals to judge and condemn their fellow Catholics, who are more objective and balanced.
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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #28 on: May 02, 2019, 11:53:38 AM »
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  • I have very conservative views about sɛҳuąƖity.

    Good for you.

    I have Catholic views on sɛҳuąƖity. When it comes to my "opinions" or "views" I am not remarkable at all, because I'm a faceless believer in the Catholic Church's teaching on this subject (and every other subject).

    So instead of "Look at me! I'm special!" it's "Don't look at me! I'm nothing special!"
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    Re: How can God send wicked souls to Hell forever
    « Reply #29 on: May 02, 2019, 12:18:17 PM »
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  • But Lad, you yourself are condemned as a rigorist and a heretic for rejecting NFP even though you do not go as far as Jerome.

    My opinion on NFP is based on reason ... applying the teaching of Pope Pius IX in Casti Conubii.  I apply syllogisms to his teaching.  This has nothing to do with rigorism, which is an emotional attachment to the more strict opinion on everything.  It's related to scruples.

    What the heck are you talking about, claiming that I am a "heretic" for rejecting NFP.  Permissibility of NFP has never been dogmatically declared; all we have is the opining of Pius XII before a group of midwives.

    You admitted that you were not altogether observant of the 6th and 9th commandments in your earlier days, so I submit that your rigorism -- as is often the case -- represents an emotional pendulum shift for you against your prior lifestyle.  Try to take the emotion out of it.