Author Topic: Why society tilts to the Left. (Read 4424 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #10 on:** August 21, 2011, 10:49:02 PM »

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SV's aren't to the "right" of non-SV's, they are simply Catholics who have formed an opinion regarding the legal membership of the Roman Pontiff and the Bishops in the Catholic Church.

They are considered to be to the Right. The Right/Left paradigm is a way in which people orient themselves in relation to others. There is no doubt in my mind that sedes are considered generally "to the right" of non-sedes, and it is legitimate in that sedes stand for more coherent and traditional view of the papacy than non-sedes.

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As Mike said, the "right-left" paradigm is a novel, intellectual construct that stems from the notion of "extremes."

No, it has to do with political orientation. Whether you like it or not, you are oriented politically because of your religious convictions. It's quite evident that SSPXers tend to be more "moderate" (open to liberal/"conservative" clerics) than sedes.

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An opinion is either true or false, and as such is not susceptible of directions, except maybe up for heaven and down for hell.

That's certainly true, but it's false to say that therefore there is no political spectrum. The positions can act as political coordinates - and one dimension is undoubtedly whether one is "pro-revolution" or "counter-revolution." Pro-Christian or Anti-Christian.

The existence of a spectrum of opinions "pro" or "contra" is to be expected in all contests where politics comes into play.

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Such language always implies the orator who uses such language to be in the perfect center, the standard-bearer, the firm column in the middle of two poles, which of course, in the end, is always "moving."

No, it doesn't imply that at all.

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It is ridiculous terminology unfit for Catholic usage.

So we should never use the political spectrum in discussions? That seems like a rash conclusion.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #11 on:** August 22, 2011, 01:55:47 AM »

Have you ever thought about the origin of the left-right continuum?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #12 on:** August 22, 2011, 02:00:31 AM »

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Have you ever thought about the origin of the left-right continuum?

Well the Jacobins formed the "mountain" on the Left side of the French National Assembly.

For myself left/right is no different than saying revolutionary/counter-revolutionary.

There is a revolutionary assault on the traditional society - the Right wing resists and attempts to counteract to various degrees that assault.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #13 on:** August 22, 2011, 08:09:00 AM »

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Have you ever thought about the origin of the left-right continuum?

Well the Jacobins formed the "mountain" on the Left side of the French National Assembly.

For myself left/right is no different than saying revolutionary/counter-revolutionary.

There is a revolutionary assault on the traditional society - the Right wing resists and attempts to counteract to various degrees that assault.

Not sure what is so controversial about what you wrote, but anyway.

I'm not sure that which side of the National Assembly you sit on should be much of an indication of a legitimate political persuasion.

It's always struck me as obvious that the whole left-right continuum was arbitrary and not meant for my own good or that of any other person, but certainly helped give the air of objectivity to the progressives and other liberals on the "right" who were intent on destroying the Church.

Either you are right, or you are wrong, but this left-right thing doesn't seem to fit a useful purpose from what I can see. Possibly it does more harm than good?

I say this primarily because there are a lot of people supposedly out there on the "Right" who are just progressives and heretic.

But what about that? No enemies on the Right?

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #14 on:** August 22, 2011, 08:10:43 AM »

That being said, I think "SVs" are just dead wrong, and they can also be politically progressive as well or unwittingly embrace positions that have always been hostile to the Catholic one.