Author Topic: Why dont (most) Catholics think like this?! (Read 606 times)

Jehanne · « **on:** April 06, 2013, 06:59:23 PM »

http://oca.org/questions/divineliturgy/receiving-communion

Sigismund · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2013, 10:38:36 PM »

Because they don't recognize sound ecclesiology when they see it. This explanation is one of the best I have seen for why "Eucharistic hospitality"" is wrong.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** April 07, 2013, 12:55:35 AM »

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Why don't (most) Catholics think like this?!

Most Catholics are not members of the Orthodox church, so why would they
think EXACTLY like the Orthodox?

However, putting that aside, it seems to me that you are really trying to ask
(correct me if I'm wrong!) why "most Catholics" do not express their thoughts
in a sound, logical manner as evidenced by this well-written and pithy article.

For example, why does Bishop Fellay not talk this way? Why have the
Menzingen-denizens, included but not limited to Fr. Rostand and Fr. Laisney
not express themselves in this manner? I would suppose that they do not
because they are bent on making a practical and impossible agreement with
modernist Rome, and this kind of talk would be inimical to regularization.

Ironically, the Orthodox can huff and puff to their hearts content and Rome
continues to grovel in their general direction.

Word!

Conversely, for example, I don't expect anyone is prepared to claim that
Bishop Williamson does not, nor Fr. Pfeiffer, Chazal, Hewko or Voigt, among
others, Fr. Trincado and Dom Tomas Aquino come to mind, think and speak
with like soundness of logic, albeit using somewhat different maxims and data.

Nor should anyone wonder whether the Faithful who are presently being tested
with the crisis in the SSPX are prone to learning how to think logically like this.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** April 07, 2013, 01:13:39 AM »

I see on the OCA website that their Resurrection Sunday is delayed 5 weeks
this year after the Roman Catholic date of Easter.

Is the OCA always 5 weeks behind for Easter, or is this year different
somehow? I thought the Greek Orthodox were 2 weeks behind in previous years.

TKGS · « **Reply #4 on:** April 07, 2013, 05:55:24 AM »

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I see on the OCA website that their Resurrection Sunday is delayed 5 weeks
this year after the Roman Catholic date of Easter.

Is the OCA always 5 weeks behind for Easter, or is this year different
somehow? I thought the Greek Orthodox were 2 weeks behind in previous years.

In their liturgical calendar, the Orthodox do not recognize the Gregorian calendar which "fixed" the calendar because of an error so that the equinox would return to its rightful place around the 21st of March. Because Easter is a moveable feast, apparently, in their computation, it falls much later in the year.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2013, 01:40:36 AM »

I wonder if you (or anyone) can explain how they determine the date of
Easter every year?

In the Roman Church we say it is the Sunday following the first full moon of
Spring. So when the first full moon of spring occurs (in Rome) precisely at
12:00:00 am (midnight) Sunday morning through 11:59:59 pm Saturday,
Easter would fall on Sunday immediately following. By this convention, Good
Friday is either the day of the first full moon of spring, the day before it, or
within 5 days of it; nor is Good Friday ever more than one day before it or
more than 5 days after it.

By this convention, we always have Good Friday on a day that is very close
to 2 weeks before or after a new moon. By this convention there is NEVER a
new moon on Good Friday, just as there was no new moon on the original
Good Friday. And since a total solar eclipse (which darkens the earth in the
shadow of the moon as if it were night time) can only happen during a new
moon, an "eclipse" cannot be the reason that the earth was darkened when
Our Lord died on the Cross, for the moon at the time was on the opposite
side of the earth, away from the sun, and could not have been casting its
shadow on the earth at all. The earth could have been casting its shadow on
the moon, but that would have caused a darkening of the moon, not of the
earth, and that darkening of the moon, called a lunar eclipse, is always seen
from earth during the night, not during the daytime.

If the Orthodox use some other method of determining the date of Easter,
then they might have Good Friday on the day of a new moon instead of a
full moon (or close to it), in which case there would be no moonlight during
the Agony in the Garden and Our Lord's Passion, and there could also be a
total solar eclipse in the afternoon of Good Friday, which did not happen on
the original Good Friday.