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Offline Cera

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Why do murderers often have 3 names?
« on: June 19, 2014, 04:50:21 PM »
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  • The suspect in the murder and attempted murder of the two priest, in court, referred to himself as Gary Michael Moran. This is being downplayed in much of the media, who are dropping his middle name.
    What's up with three names?
    Jared Lee Loughner shot Gabrielle Giffords in the head, and also killed a judge
    John Wilkes Booth
    Lee Harve Oswald
    James Earl Ray murdered Martin Luther King
    would-be Ford assassin Sara Jane Moore
    Mark David Chapman murdered John Lennon

     serial killers— Gary Leon Ridgway, John Wayne Gacy, and Paul John Knowles —
    can you think of more?
    Anyone else besides me wonder why?








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    Offline MariaCatherine

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    Why do murderers often have 3 names?
    « Reply #1 on: June 19, 2014, 04:54:53 PM »
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  • I'm guessing in court they have to say their full name, and the media uses that to protect anyone with the same first and last names.
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    Why do murderers often have 3 names?
    « Reply #2 on: June 19, 2014, 05:05:39 PM »
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  • I never even thought of it before, then a few years ago when I began to study, understand Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and it's devastation of our church, I saw a list of murderers with 3 names all identified as freemasons, and that the 3 name ID in the press is to telegraph they are in the brotherhood (ritual murders is part of the craft).  It was intriguing!  I wish I bookmarked that.  Maybe it was on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყwatch.org?  I forget.

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    Why do murderers often have 3 names?
    « Reply #3 on: June 19, 2014, 05:12:25 PM »
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  • We all have three names, first, middle, last.  

    Using them all for people who are notorious does minimize the chance of confusion.  Although where I live there is a woman with all three names the same as mine about 20-30 miles away.  Sure hope she never gets on the news :smile:

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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Why do murderers often have 3 names?
    « Reply #4 on: June 19, 2014, 05:56:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cera
    The suspect in the murder and attempted murder of the two priest, in court, referred to himself as Gary Michael Moran. This is being downplayed in much of the media, who are dropping his middle name.
    What's up with three names?
    Jared Lee Loughner shot Gabrielle Giffords in the head, and also killed a judge
    John Wilkes Booth
    Lee Harve Oswald
    James Earl Ray murdered Martin Luther King
    would-be Ford assassin Sara Jane Moore
    Mark David Chapman murdered John Lennon

     serial killers— Gary Leon Ridgway, John Wayne Gacy, and Paul John Knowles —
    can you think of more?
    Anyone else besides me wonder why?



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    Why do murderers often have 3 names?
    « Reply #5 on: June 20, 2014, 10:11:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: MariaCatherine (Jun 19, 2014, 5:54 pm)
    I'm guessing in court they have to say their full name, and the media uses that to protect anyone with the same first and last names.

    Or more realistically, to protect their business & profits from lawsuits alleging defamation.  Generally speaking, there's no legal requirement that a lawsuit have legal merit for it to be filed by a plaintiff, forcing a legal response from its defendant(s).  The full name might be mandated by editions of the Associated Press Style & Libel Manual.

    When not relevant to a crime, I've long considered the routine use of a 3-full-part name to be an affectation of the ruling classes of New England & New York, e.g.:
    Charles Nelson Reilly (actor/comedian)
    Franklin Delano Roosevelt (U.S. president, albeit before I was born,
    and reportedly often simply "F.D.R.")
    Henry Steele Commager (historian)
    John Foster Dulles (lawyer-diplomat, later U.S. Secretary of State: 1953--1959; namesake of Washington Dulles International Airport)
    Richard Henry Dana (seafaring author)
    John Jacob Astor (Palatinate-native German, immigrant fur-trade magnate, "first multi-millionaire" in U.S.A. per Wikipedia)
    John Quincy Adams (U.S. President; his father was merely U.S. President John Adams Jr., Quincy being the family name of Jr.'s mother-in-law)
    Samuel Eliot Morison (historian: What other "Samuel Morison" did he fear being confused with?)

    But it's not exclusively a Yankee affectation, e.g.:
    Lyndon Baines Johnson (Texan, U.S. President following assassination of J.F.K.)
    John Noble Wilford (Kentuckian, but master's degree from Syracuse U. (N.Y.), then Pulitzer-Prize-winning science-writer for N.Y. Times)
    Hans Christian Andersen (Danish author of fairy-tales)

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    Why do murderers often have 3 names?
    « Reply #6 on: June 20, 2014, 12:00:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat (Jun 19, 2014, 6:56 pm)
    Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Russian: [...])
    Joseph Stalin (Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin)
    Lev Davidovich Bronshtein (Russian: [...]) a.k.a. Leon Trotsky

    Sooo, what's your point?

    Are you ignorant about the Russian--broadly Slavic--customary middle name known as the patronymic ?  It's a possessive-like form representing the name of one's father.  Thus, in your examples, Vlad's father would've been named "Ilya", Iosif's (English "Joseph") father would've been named "Vissarion", and Lev's (English "Leo") father would've been whatever corresponds to the English "David".  Oy, vey!

    And it's no secret that the names Anglicized as "Lenin" and "Stalin" were actually noms de guerre; their family names were actually their native-language equivalents of the Anglicized "Ulyanov" and "Djugashvili" (Wikipedia shows "Dze Jugashvili"), respectively.  That mattered less among some Russians, because in Russia, people who are friends--or at least not strangers--commonly address each other by the pair first-name + patronymic
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    The patronymic custom was adopted by--or perhaps more plausibly, imposed on--nonSlavic subjects assimilated by the Russian Empire, e.g.: the (Eastern Orthodox) Georgians (who call themselves "Kartvelians" ), e.g.: Stalin.
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    Note *: As I assume 'ggreg' could confirm from "in country" experience.

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    Why do murderers often have 3 names?
    « Reply #7 on: June 20, 2014, 12:13:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat (Jun 19, 2014, 6:56 pm)
    Mao Tse-tung

    Major fail ! 

    Among more-or-less traditional Chinese--as distinct from ethnic Chinese in Western-Culture environments (not only Silicon Valley (Cal.), but reportedly also Hong Kong)--using the old British-devised Wade-Gilles transliteration, an apparent 1-syllable first-name is actually a person's family name, and the usually-2-syllable-hyphenated apparent last-name is actually a given name.

    So if one were to diplomatically set aside the millions of his own people whose deaths are attributed to his personal orders as Communist dictator, he would've properly been formally addressed as Mr. Mao, not Mr. Tung nor Mr. Tse-tung.


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    Why do murderers often have 3 names?
    « Reply #8 on: June 20, 2014, 12:14:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta
    I never even thought of it before, then a few years ago when I began to study, understand Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and it's devastation of our church, I saw a list of murderers with 3 names all identified as freemasons, and that the 3 name ID in the press is to telegraph they are in the brotherhood (ritual murders is part of the craft).  It was intriguing!  I wish I bookmarked that.  Maybe it was on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყwatch.org?  I forget.


    Thank you. I thought it must be something like that because in the video, the killer states three names. However, most media reports have dropped the middle name. That's what caught my interest, because the typical explanation (clarification, etc.) does not work here.

    Also, burglars don't typically kill in such a brutal manner.
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