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Offline Disputaciones

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Why do heresiarchs get all the blame?
« on: June 19, 2017, 11:28:27 PM »
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  • I mean sure, they're the ones who come up with the heresy in the first place, but if the people and those who aided them had thrown them off the city and killed/imprisoned them/etc., they would have never gotten anywhere and accomplished nothing, but I see little blame and focus being put on these people; the heresiarchs get all the attention when it is those who aided, enabled and heard them that merit even more condemnation.

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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Why do heresiarchs get all the blame?
    « Reply #1 on: June 20, 2017, 03:06:00 AM »
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  • No one is lost without knowing it, and no one is deceived without wanting to be. (St. Teresa of Avila)

    The heresiarchs are just the teachers those with with itchy ears were looking for. Those that follow the heresiarchs will have no excuse before the Judge.

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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


    Offline Geremia

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    Re: Why do heresiarchs get all the blame?
    « Reply #2 on: June 21, 2017, 12:25:09 PM »
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  • I mean sure, they're the ones who come up with the heresy in the first place, but if the people and those who aided them had thrown them off the city and killed/imprisoned them/etc., they would have never gotten anywhere and accomplished nothing, but I see little blame and focus being put on these people; the heresiarchs get all the attention when it is those who aided, enabled and heard them that merit even more condemnation.
    Certainly "those who aided, enabled and heard" heresiarchs are not blameless, but these people cannot force heresiarchs to become such against their will. Not even angels can force someone, against his will, to sin. Heresiarchs are more blameworthy because they influence more souls.

    cf. St. Thomas Aquinas's discussion of the question "Whether heretics ought to be tolerated?":
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    With regard to heretics two points must be observed: one, on their own side; the other, on the side of the Church. On their own side there is the sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death. For it is a much graver matter to corrupt the faith which quickens the soul, than to forge money, which supports temporal life. Wherefore if forgers of money and other evil-doers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death.

    On the part of the Church, however, there is mercy which looks to the conversion of the wanderer, wherefore she condemns not at once, but "after the first and second admonition," as the Apostle directs: after that, if he is yet stubborn, the Church no longer hoping for his conversion, looks to the salvation of others, by excommunicating him and separating him from the Church, and furthermore delivers him to the secular tribunal to be exterminated thereby from the world by death. For Jerome commenting on Gal. 5:9, "A little leaven," says: "Cut off the decayed flesh, expel the mangy sheep from the fold, lest the whole house, the whole paste, the whole body, the whole flock, burn, perish, rot, die. Arius was but one spark in Alexandria, but as that spark was not at once put out, the whole earth was laid waste by its flame."
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    Re: Why do heresiarchs get all the blame?
    « Reply #3 on: June 21, 2017, 01:47:26 PM »
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  • Well, history (and the Church) tells us that heresiarchs are notoriously slippery.  They always insist that their doctrine is correct, and they frequently will change it to appear more palatable to the ignorant (think of the Arians seduction of the emperors).  So really what you're asking is, why doesn't the Church come down more firmly on those were were conned and fooled by heretics?  This isn't to say that all who go along with a heresy are innocent because they aren't, but it is to say that it's often the case that heretics engender sympathy for themselves among the ignorant by making their doctrine seem orthodox. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).