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Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
« on: October 16, 2017, 06:45:18 PM »
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    • Does anybody have links to webpages/ docuмents that give a true account as to why Pope Pius XI betrayed Cristeros?
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 06:49:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: monka966 on October 16, 2017, 06:45:18 PM
    Does anybody have links to webpages/ docuмents that give a true account as to why Pope Pius XI betrayed Cristeros?
    Politics. It was shameful.
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 06:57:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: monka966 on October 16, 2017, 06:45:18 PM
    Does anybody have links to webpages/ docuмents that give a true account as to why Pope Pius XI betrayed Cristeros?
    Where did you get the material that enabled you to form the conclusion that he did?
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) the Cristeros?
    « Reply #3 on: October 16, 2017, 07:44:44 PM »
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    • After watching "For the Greater Glory" movie years ago, I did an internet search on the topic of Cristeros (because I had not known much about it up until that time) and I came across an article (I wish I had saved it), which said - and I am paraphrasing - that there were secret negotiations between the Mexican government and the Vatican that resulted in an accord. The Cristeros were ordered to lay down their arms under the pain of excommunication, and as soon as they did, some five or six thousand were massacred. Supposedly, Pope Pius XI wept after hearing about this. 
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) the Cristeros?
    « Reply #4 on: October 16, 2017, 07:49:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: monka966 on October 16, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
    After watching "For the Greater Glory" movie years ago, I did an internet search on the topic of Cristeros (because I had not known much about it up until that time) and I came across an article (I wish I had saved it), which said - and I am paraphrasing - that there were secret negotiations between the Mexican government and the Vatican that resulted in an accord. The Cristeros were ordered to lay down their arms under the pain of excommunication, and as soon as they did, some five or six thousand were massacred. Supposedly, Pope Pius XI wept after hearing about this.
    So, it's at least possible that he didn't betray anyone; no?
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) the Cristeros?
    « Reply #5 on: October 16, 2017, 08:37:15 PM »
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    • You might be correct, DZ PLEASE. Maybe "betray" is too strong of a word. 

    JPaul would you be able to elaborate on the politics aspect that you mentioned in your post?
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    « Reply #6 on: October 16, 2017, 09:18:09 PM »
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    • I researched a bit into it several years ago, however, I never docuмented sources. But You have to look up Fr. Edmund A. Walsh S.J, an american Jesuit who actually brokered the deal.  The masonic powers had already infiltrated much of the US episcopacy. Unfortunately it was to those clergymen whom Pope Pius XI had lent his ear.

    Jésus Degollado, commander in chief of the Cristeros, addressed his troops, his voice breaking from sorrow:

    Six thousand Cristeros obeyed, and were immediately massacred. In three years, they had only lost 5,000 men in combat! The Mexican episcopate decreed the excommunication of the Cristero priests, but those who had not been killed during the war (180) had already been martyred...All was lost.

    More Cristeros were killed after the "arreglos" (Truce) than during the official 3 year war.

    Is it not suspicious that this is the time period when Bella Dodd and those who were with her were allowed to recruit a great many enemies of the Church into the priesthood
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 07:39:49 PM »
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    • Both Benedict XV and Piux XI were considered risks by Cardinal Merry del Val - soft on modernism.

    When the Cristeros representatives traveled to various US dioceses looking for help and support - they were not welcomed, they were not "convenient."  They were stunned to think they were not believed.  Their treatment cries to Heaven.  Now, at least, we know the backstory.   
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 07:53:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on October 17, 2017, 07:39:49 PM
    Both Benedict XV and Piux XI were considered risks by Cardinal Merry del Val - soft on modernism.

    When the Cristeros representatives traveled to various US dioceses looking for help and support - they were not welcomed, they were not "convenient."  They were stunned to think they were not believed.  Their treatment cries to Heaven.  Now, at least, we know the backstory.  
    Exactly.
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) the Cristeros?
    « Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 10:58:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: monka966 on October 16, 2017, 08:37:15 PM
    You might be correct, DZ PLEASE. Maybe "betray" is too strong of a word.

    JPaul would you be able to elaborate on the politics aspect that you mentioned in your post?

    This book has some interesting information on the subject of Pope Pius XI ordering the Cristeros to stand down, when they were winning against Calles's war on Christendom.

    Basically, Pope Pius XI had ʝʊdɛօ-masonic infiltrators as advisors.

    Consider when Cardinal Rompolla died in 1913 and when Pope Pius X discovered he was a freemasonic chieftain, not much was done to purge his disciples.  For St. Pope Pius X was surrounded by infiltrators too and he died a year later.

    These ʝʊdɛօ-masonic disciples went onto to elevated positions within the Church.
    (Consider Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli's brilliant freemasonic career)?

    From what I've read, Vatican henchmen and the Mexican bishops misinformed Pope Pius XI on the Cristeros's politics.

    The same appears to have happened when Pope Pius XI banned Action Francaise.  This decision was based on bad advice.
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    Papal condemnation and decline[Wiki]
    In spite of the movement's support for Roman Catholicism as a state religion and the fact that the vast majority of its members were practising Catholics (indeed, they included significant numbers of clergy), some Catholics regarded it with distrust.
    Much of this was due to the influence of Maurras, an agnostic whose advocacy of Catholicism was due to his belief that it was a factor of social cohesion and stability and to its importance in French history. This rather utilitarian view of religion disturbed people who were often in agreement with many of his ideas. Its influence on young Catholics was also considered problematic. Thus, on 29 December 1926, Pope Pius XI condemned Action française.
    Several of Maurras's writings, including the newspaper were placed on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum at the same time, on 9 January 1927, with Action française being the first newspaper ever placed on the Roman Catholic Church's list of banned books.[6] This was a devastating blow to the movement. On 8 March 1927 AF members were prohibited from receiving the sacraments. Many of its members left (two Catholics who were forced to look for a different path in politics and life were writers François Mauriac and Georges Bernanos); and it entered a period of decline.
    In 1939, following the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr and a revival of anti-communism in the Catholic Church, Pope Pius XII decided to end the condemnation. Thereafter, Action françaiseclaimed that the condemnation had been declared for political purposes

    I believe Bp. Williamson lectured that it even took Pope Pius XI some time to realize the significant role of the ʝʊdɛօ-commies in Spanish cινιℓ ωαr?

    Although I've never been able to find the source, I heard an account of Pope Pius XI's deathbed scene.

    The unproven rumor is that he was injected by his physician with a poison, he and his doctor thought was a Vitamin B shot.
    The doctor's medicines had been tampered by Mussolini's spy network.

    In any case, he died suddenly and it was noted at his last hour, he was in bed, talking to some invisible being, saying:
    "It was not my intention!"

    It seems this statement jives well with the grievous administrative errors made under his papacy.
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 01:03:00 PM »
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    • Reports that Card Rampolla was a 'secret occult mason in the OTO' are a bunch of crap....

    Does anyone really think that Popes Leo XIII and Pius X are idiots?????

    Pius X and Merry Del Val voted for Rampolla....

    Lets not forget that Card Sarto was present when the Freemason Franz- Joseph tries to pull his bogus 'veto' which had actually been abolished by Pius IX...

    Whatever slander that was spread about Rampolla being a FM was known by Pius X LONG BEFORE  the death of the latter....
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 01:11:59 PM »
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    • Monday morning quarterbacking, and playing "Murder She Wrote" with most of the pages gone are both BS.
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 01:20:57 PM »
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #13 on: October 19, 2017, 11:47:40 AM »
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    • I do not think that it was ever proven that Card. Rampolla was a mason. Some speculated that Card. Rampolla supported the French Third Republic, though.

    Also, I think Pope Pius IX forbade interference of state (i.e. secular power) in papal elections, but it was Pope St. Pius X who decreed automatic excommunication for anyone trying to influence the conclave with a threat of veto.
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #14 on: October 19, 2017, 12:41:04 PM »
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    • Pope Leo & Rampolla supported Fr Republic for various reasons. One was that the 2 parties favoring  Monarchy( Bonapartists & Bourbons) were opposed to each other-- making restoration near impossible.

    Your second paragraph is very accurate. Pius IX neglected to add the ex-comm, which is why the snake F-Joseph tried to pull it off.  :cheers:
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