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Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2017, 11:43:44 PM »
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    • Mc Nutt was never informed of Rampolla's alleged Masonic connections because there are none. BTW-- Card Raphael is consecrated Bishop by C Rampolla. Is this act illegal then?

    It is the FMason Franz Joseph  who never lifts a finger to help the Pope get back his papal states. He then has the nerve to ask Pius X to bless his war in 1914. The Pope angrily ejects Austrian envoy from Vatican.

    You guys got zero.... :ready-to-eat:
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #31 on: October 19, 2017, 11:50:22 PM »
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    • BTW-- It is also FJ that sells out to Judaix by urging the Pope in public to return the Mortara child-- after the Pope had adopted him.... :sleep:
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #32 on: October 20, 2017, 12:02:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on October 19, 2017, 11:12:31 PM
    I am quite familiar with the book by MacNutt. He was a friend of Rampolla's and was never informed of his Masonic connections.  Merry del Val and Pius X later found primary evidence.  Franz Joseph luckily still had the veto in his hand, and after being approached by the Masonic scholar Fr. Jouin and informed of Rampolla's truth, providentially had Card. Puznya put it forth, called "The Veto of the Holy Ghost."  MacNutt does not reveal how either Pius X nor Merry del Val voted - not even del Val in 2 later elections.  He does not even pretend to know.  If Rampolla did later "speak to the Cardinal" about his veto, what authority had he as he no longer was Sec. of State and was not yet assigned to be

    Pius X didn't "later" find 'primary evidence' because he was  IN THE CONCLAVE PERSONALLY WHEN THE ALLEGED 'VETO' WAS PLAYED-- 10 YEARS EARLIER.

    It might be added that acc to Poncins in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ & Vatican, Msg Jouin was kind to the point of blindness at times, when it came to his staff. :baby:
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #33 on: October 20, 2017, 12:03:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on October 20, 2017, 12:02:07 AM
    Pius X didn't "later" find 'primary evidence' because he was  IN THE CONCLAVE PERSONALLY WHEN THE ALLEGED 'VETO' WAS PLAYED-- 10 YEARS EARLIER.

    It might be added that acc to Poncins in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ & Vatican, Msg Jouin was kind to the point of blindness at times, when it came to his staff. :baby:

    It might also be added that none of the posters in this topic WERE in said conclave...
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #34 on: October 20, 2017, 12:41:23 AM »
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    • What's to be accomplished with all this back-and-forth speculation?
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #35 on: October 20, 2017, 08:37:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on October 20, 2017, 12:41:23 AM
    What's to be accomplished with all this back-and-forth speculation?

    This was an interesting exchange  :chef:
    It concluded with Roscoe responding to his own posts.

    Roscoe is wrong, the anti-Rampollas are right.  Another example of the remnant effects of Original sin.

    St. Pope Pius X didn't know Rampolla's stealth masonry until his death, when they entered his Vatican apartment.
    The Pope ordered the occult contents to be burned and covered-up the whole matter.  Was it to save Rome's face?
    As stated, the Pope knew the Vatican was infiltrated, but he didn't know the full extent of the treachery.

    It is probable, St Pope Pius was murdered by his German, Jesuit nurse in 1914.
    The nurse went on to leave the order and became a successful submarine captain in WWI.

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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #36 on: October 20, 2017, 08:56:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on October 20, 2017, 12:02:07 AM
    Pius X didn't "later" find 'primary evidence' because he was  IN THE CONCLAVE PERSONALLY WHEN THE ALLEGED 'VETO' WAS PLAYED-- 10 YEARS EARLIER.

    It might be added that acc to Poncins in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ & Vatican, Msg Jouin was kind to the point of blindness at times, when it came to his staff. :baby:
    Roscoe, it is that Pius X, Card. Merry del Val, and whoever else was involved -- after the election! when Rampolla died in 1913!! -- found AT THAT TIME the evidence in his apartment of Rampolla's being a Mason.  THEN they understood why  the  veto was made at the 1903 election.  And they were glad it happened.  

    But they realized what they were up against.  When the list of Masonic cardinals was made public in the 1970s, it was entirely denied by the powers that be.  Silly list!  No such thing as these Cardinals being Masons!  

    Well, of course they would deny it.  But it is/was true.  And this "plausible deniability" blueprint, started with Rampolla. And evidently still works with you.   
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #37 on: October 20, 2017, 11:45:29 AM »
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    • Sorry but I am not buying what is just another Taxilite hoax..... :sleep:
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #38 on: November 08, 2021, 05:19:35 AM »
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    • Fr. Chazal just preached about this, too.

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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #39 on: November 08, 2021, 06:17:22 AM »
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    • Holy necro-bumps, Batman!

    Why revive a 4 year old thread?
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #40 on: November 08, 2021, 08:20:27 AM »
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    • This is why you never entrust your lives and your loved ones' lives to authority. Even the Catholic Church abandoned her own flock to the slaughter.

    Think of all of those people in the WTC towers who listened to authority that told them to remain in their current places and not flee the towers. They all died because they entrusted their lives to idiots or sociopaths.

    Think of all of the little boys who were entrusted into the company of pervert priests who molested and raped them.
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
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    Fatima Consecration Failure – I
    A Long History of Compromise & Conciliation
    Homer Sweeney  TIA Link

    Cardinal Raymond Burke made news in a recent interview when he suggested that the Pope should consecrate Russia in the manner described by Our Lady of Fatima about 100 years ago.


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    Failure of Prelates and priests to stress the devotion to Her Immaculate Heart Our Lady requested
    Thus, he says, Russia could return to their noble past when there was tremendous devotion of Our Blessed Mother as a means of expressing faith in God. What a great idea! It sounds so simple, but it is again another tactic of the progressivists to deviate from the true message of Fatima.

    Since the Cardinal brought up the topic, it seems like a perfect time to review the most tragic and devastating decisions of the Catholic Hierarchy in History when it disobeyed and continues to reject God and His request to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    To save souls from Hell as promised at Fatima on July 13, 1917, Our Lady appeared to Lucy at Tuy, Spain, on June 13, 1929, with this message:

    “The moment has come when God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the Bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means. So numerous are the souls which the justice of God condemns for sins committed against Me, that I have come to ask for reparation. Sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.”

    The failure of Pius XI

    The rejection of the Fatima message by the Hierarchy of the Church began as early as 1930 when Pius XI failed to respond to the request to consecrate Russia. It has continued for the next 87 years.


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    Pius XI spoke against Communism, but failed to make the consecration specifying Russia

    The purpose of the consecration – drawn from Our Lady’s words in 1917 – was to prevent “a worse war from breaking out under Pius XI.” One day Lucy asked Jacinta what she was thinking. Her reply: "About the war that is coming. So many people are going to die, and almost all of them are going to Hell."

    It was clear that the consecration was to be made when Our Lord himself appeared to Sister Lucy in Rianjo, Spain, on August 19, 1931, and requested it, expressing His displeasure with Pius XI. He communicated to Sister Lucy the following:

    “Make it known to My ministers that, given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My request, they will follow him also into misfortune. It will never be too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.”

    The consequences of King Louis XIV ignoring the command to consecrate the country to the Sacred Heart given through St. Margaret Mary Alocoque are well known parts of the history of the French Revolution: Louis XVI lost his crown and, three years later, his head to the guillotine. We can only speculate that, following the example of the King, Our Lord meant that the Chair of Rome will be destroyed and transferred to Fatima, as recently published as the deciphered version of the Third Secret.

    At Fatima during the 100-year anniversary, Francis announced that he was the “the bishop dressed in white,” who according to Vatican-released version of the Third Secret, is killed along with other religious on a mountain top. The Message of Fatima released on June 26, 2000, stated that the third part of the secret was not a future event, but was a prophetic vision, similar to those in Sacred History. This raises a question: Should Francis not be worrying?

    The Vatican has held that John Paul II is the “bishop dressed in white” and the attempt on his life in 1981 fulfilled that prophecy. Was Francis being sarcastic? He does not have any respect for traditional Catholics and for those who closely follow Fatima. Or per chance does he know that the order to move the Chair of Peter to Fatima was announced when the Secret was published and that, in less than 69 weeks, Rome will be destroyed if it continues its abomination?

    A long policy of compromise

    In 1918, Benedict XV established the policy of “compromise and conciliation,“ Ostpolitik – opening relations with the communist Eastern bloc – completely changing the non-conciliatory approach of St. Pius X, who resolutely condemned Marxism-Leninism. This policy has been adopted by the Vatican for the vast majority of the past 100 years.


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    Pius XII warmly greets visitors carrying the Fatima statue, but fails to carry out the Consecration properly

    Pius XI followed Benedict XV in protesting the communist persecution of the Church, but not condemning Communism, and he did not sever Vatican diplomatic relations with Moscow. Diplomatic relations continued, even though the Soviet government had annihilated the Catholic Hierarchy; burned churches, martyred Bishops and created a famine to deliberately starve to death milllions of its own citizens between 1929-1932.

    In 1933 that Ostpolitik was abandoned, not because of all the atrocities, but because Pius XI discovered that the communists had been lying to him. Although Pius XI changed his tune about Communism, branding it as “intrinsically perverted” and a “tragedy to humanity,” he never consecrated Russia to prevent World War II, in which over 80 million people were killed and resulted in the errors of Russia being spread over half of the world.

    It didn’t take long for Ostpolitik to resurface.

    In September 1942, Pius XII said: “At the request of President Roosevelt, the Vatican has refrained from all polemics against the communist regime.”

    In October 1962, just before the start of Vatican II, the Vatican signed the Metz Pact with Moscow stating that the Council would not condemn Soviet Russia or Communism in general, in exchange for which two Russian "Orthodox" were "allowed" to attend the Council.

    As Secretary of State the future Paul VI set up secret channels with Moscow and other communist Heads of State, tipped off the Russians when priests tried to enter Russia (and were consequently murdered), and humiliated Card. Mindszenty before the world. Further, he left hundreds of thousands of Catholics in the communist labor camps and under torture without any solemn protest in order to continue the Vatican Ostpolitik.


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    JPII sacrifices the Fatima message by receiving Russian communist Gorbachev

    In his interview Card. Burke admitted that “compromise and conciliation” remained the policy of the Vatican when he said that John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia on March 25, 1984, but in order to promote friendlier relationships with the communist countries, the name Russia was not to be mentioned.

    On June 26, 2000, the Church said its formal good-bye to Fatima by issuing The Message of Fatima, which is a final report with lies from the first sentence, and placidly sets aside the warnings of the Mother of God, announcing that the Fatima message is complete and over.

    Earlier that same month, John Paul II had further humiliated Our Lady by warmly welcoming at the Vatican Russian President Vladimir Putin. a promoter of the “errors of Russia.” In 1989, this same Pope welcomed Mikhail Gorbachev, who was the first Soviet president to meet with the Pope. The communist leader continued to promote abortion and population control but was praised by the Vatican, which refused to denounce the errors of Communism.

    On March 13, 2007, Benedict XVI also gave an audience to Putin. In July of the same year, Pope Ratzinger sent a letter to the courageous Chinese Catholic resistance against Communism, advising them that the way of the future is to accept and join with the government-sponsored Patriotic Association.

    The 100-year cycle was completed when Francis denied the message of Fatima on its May 13th 100th anniversary.

    This is the sad saga of Popes favoring Communism and refusing to follow the directives of the Mother of God.

    Continued


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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #42 on: November 28, 2021, 11:17:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: monka966 on October 16, 2017, 06:45:18 PM
    Does anybody have links to webpages/ docuмents that give a true account as to why Pope Pius XI betrayed Cristeros?
    Pope Pius XI did Not betray Cristeros-- I would advise reading Jean Meyer. There is a faction on cathinfo that has -as its object-- to denigrate Popes Leo XIII, Pius XI Pius XII for whatever insane motive.

    In addition there are continuous libels against Card Rampollla & lately Gen Franco.

    I hope no one is dumb enough to believe these fantasies. :fryingpan:
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #43 on: November 28, 2021, 11:42:22 PM »
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    • Regarding Franco, the evidence is a matter of public record. Only reluctantly have I seen him in unhappy light after many years of admiring him.

    If you have counter-evidence, put it on the table.

    I have no vested interest in demoting him. Quite the contrary I would welcome vindicating evidence.

    https://judaism.is/world-wars.html#franco

    Regarding Rampolla (and his protégés) I think the preponderance of the evidence damns him. Too much of our situation can be laid at his feet and the feet of his protégés.

    Again, if you have vindicating evidence, put it on the table.
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    Re: Why did Pope Pius XI abandoned (at best) Cristeros?
    « Reply #44 on: November 29, 2021, 01:20:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on November 28, 2021, 11:42:22 PM
    Regarding Franco, the evidence is a matter of public record. Only reluctantly have I seen him in unhappy light after many years of admiring him.

    If you have counter-evidence, put it on the table.

    I have no vested interest in demoting him. Quite the contrary I would welcome vindicating evidence.

    https://judaism.is/world-wars.html#franco

    Regarding Rampolla (and his protégés) I think the preponderance of the evidence damns him. Too much of our situation can be laid at his feet and the feet of his protégés.

    Again, if you have vindicating evidence, put it on the table.
    Read W Carroll-- Last Crusade & Robinson-- Origin Of Francos Spain. :popcorn:
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