Reports that Card Rampolla was a 'secret occult mason in the OTO' are a bunch of crap....

Does anyone really think that Popes Leo XIII and Pius X are idiots?????

Pius X and Merry Del Val voted for Rampolla....

Lets not forget that Card Sarto was present when the Freemason Franz- Joseph tries to pull his bogus 'veto' which had actually been abolished by Pius IX...

Whatever slander that was spread about Rampolla being a FM was known by Pius X LONG BEFORE  the death of the latter....

"Pius X and Merry Del Val voted for Rampolla...."  What is/are your primary sources of docuмentation on this?  Please provide link(s) as well if possible.

There are numerous sources....

Try Papal Chamberlain by McNutt wherein it is described how Card Raphael summons Puznya to the Borgia apartments after the conclave and reams his A.

See also Genius Of The Vatican by Sencourt, pages 169-173

See also Popes In The Modern World by Sugrue, etc etc

:ready-to-eat:

Roscoe: ""Pius X and Merry Del Val voted for Rampolla...." Are the sources you mention primary or secondary?  Hearsay?  Hold up in a court of law?  Can you provide any specific verbatim quotes to support your quote?

Also, I think Pope Pius IX forbade interference of state (i.e. secular power) in papal elections

Could you give source for this so i can check it as i can never remember exactly where i got it from...  :cheers:

So, even though the obscure veto privilege (usurped?) "helped" Card. Sarto become Pope Pius X (not saint at that time), he did not want the state (i.e. secular powers) to interfere with papal elections? Is my reasoning correct, or there is more to this story/ event?

Please go to pg. 677 in the following hyperlink:

https://books.google.com/books?id=-aSQNo8kNqIC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Mucho Gracias-- this is a different source than i used but it confirms... :cheers:

Actually the info on Pius IX is on 678...

Gee wiz klasG4e, don't bother asking him  

Roscoe typically shoots shotgun from the hip and doesn't hit anything.

Here's some scholarship on the subject: Did a Freemason almost become Pope?

Good advice!  I wasn't about to allow myself to get suckered into any further exchange or endless time consuming wild goose chase with him.

What has happened to the Roll Laugh Emoticon????

Here it is! 

There are numerous sources....

Try Papal Chamberlain by McNutt wherein it is described how Card Raphael summons Puznya to the Borgia apartments after the conclave and reams his A.

See also Genius Of The Vatican by Sencourt, pages 169-173

See also Popes In The Modern World by Sugrue, etc etc

:ready-to-eat:

I am quite familiar with the book by MacNutt. He was a friend of Rampolla's and was never informed of his Masonic connections.  Merry del Val and Pius X later found primary evidence.  Franz Joseph luckily still had the veto in his hand, and after being approached by the Masonic scholar Fr. Jouin and informed of Rampolla's truth, providentially had Card. Puznya put it forth, called "The Veto of the Holy Ghost."  MacNutt does not reveal how either Pius X nor Merry del Val voted - not even del Val in 2 later elections.  He does not even pretend to know.  If Rampolla did later "speak to the Cardinal" about his veto, what authority had he as he no longer was Sec. of State and was not yet assigned to be in charge of St. Peter's? 
Roscoe, why do you spit such bullets about Rampolla and these other people involved in his defense? Masonry was well within the Church by then, else Pius X would have no problem with Modernism.  It then existed in the Church through early Masonry inroads. 
"Thou protestest too much."  So did Rampolla?