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Author Topic: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?  (Read 6497 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2019, 01:37:52 PM »
As annoying as effeminate men are, we should still pray for them daily.

Some of these men are just following what they consider to be a popular fad, or at least that's what I hope is the case.

Nay, rather, they've been told that masculinity is bad and harmful, and that they must learn to overcome their masculinity in order to become good people (like women are).

Have you all heard about the Gillette commercial controversy?

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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2019, 02:02:19 PM »

Why are Western European Men so effeminate?   Since I was a teenager and exposed to Europeans, like 50 years ago, I had always noticed them to not be very masculine [....]

I think you would've had your answer if you'd not stopped short on your implied arithmetic: "50 years ago" was the Western cultural revolution of the late 1960s.  That decade was also the coming of age for the first generation born after 2 world wars.

In the late 1960s, my high school hosted a foreign-exchange student from West Germany; it seems a bit unfair to concede, so many decades later, that he would not have been considered an exemplar of Teutonic masculinity.  He was a member of Germany's first postwar generation, just as my fellow high-school students were members of the corresponding U.S. generation, known as the Baby Boom.  On at least 1 occasion, he spoke--not assertively but rather meekly--about the shortage of men in German society after losing both wars.  For the final defense on the ground of their once-proud German Fatherland, able-bodied men were rare, so available manpower was typically limited to elderly or infirm men, plus boys not aged much beyond preteens.

The conventional age for men to be fighting wars is also the age for men to be fathering & rearing families.  I suppose I could try to find postwar demographic information for Europe, but do any readers really doubt that at the end of each war, there were many more women in any adult age group than there were men?  So such numbers would probably show that in modern terms, a multitude of surviving European boys were reared by single moms.  And after each war ended, how many people continued to die from exposure or disease as the result of destroyed infrastructure?  Loss of sanitation and medical infrastructure created extra risk for elder survivors who were rearing children in the absence of parents.

Do any readers really doubt that in European public policy, the horrors of 2 world wars motivated a majority preference for the superficial safety of pacifism over even sensible concern about rebuilding national military capabilities to a level sufficient for self-preservation?  It seems to me that at some level, such sentiments, when pervasive, would unavoidably dampen protective instincts & skills that are natural & needed in men.  Does history provide any examples of societies or nations that survived any significant collective reduction in the masculinity of their men?  Let's keep in mind that Europe is presently enduring an Islamic invasion in slow motion, predominately by men of those same fighting & fathering ages, and is responding with surprisingly foolish pacifism.


Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2019, 02:24:06 PM »
Pewdiepie is one of the better ones I think because he is not politically correct, though of course he is not a good Catholic. We do live in a moral wasteland where nobody is decent anymore. Are there any famous trads, really, other than Mel Gibson? Actually I heard there is one somewhat popular youtuber who is an SSPX girl. Pewdiepie gets smeared as being a nαzι because he makes politically incorrect jokes like his famous "Death to All Jews" bit.


He can't go a single video it seems without using the Lord's Holy Name and he mocks Christ and Christians, whenever the subject comes up. Speaking of that "Fiver" incident, earlier in that very same video, he paid a guy who makes a big joke about dressing up as Jesus and even dares to make "Jesus Christ" his stage name say something inane. Drops the F word multiple times and trashes the Holy Name. There is no best of YouTube with him at the top. I'm sick of this guy.

Minute 8:41, extreme language warning, mocking Christ here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=520&v=urE7_mYfPmk

And recently he just promoted him again on his stupid channel because the atheist YouTuber's ex-wife was trying to take his kids away from him and he blubbered on his channel begging for support like the effeminate little worm that he is.

No need to watch the videos, just look at the thumbnails.






Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2019, 06:11:54 PM »
To defend Pewdiepie pie again, youtube is a brothel and there are no Marinas in real life brothels. I am not holding him to Christian standards. I just find him to be decent for a whore in a brothel. Kind of like how I find Trump to be decent for an American politician. I have not watched many of his videos, only a few. I did enjoy one of his videos called "Birds are not real" which made me laugh. But anyway. Subscribe to Pewdiepie, defeat T-series.

T.v.?/Re: Wars/Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2019, 10:01:13 PM »

[...] the Western cultural revolution of the late 1960s.  That decade was also the coming of age for the first generation born after 2 world wars. [....] my fellow high-school students were members of the corresponding U.S. generation, known as the Baby Boom.

Television back then was only black-&-white technology for families of ordinary means, and its programming was limited for people of all means to no more than a handful of channels, received as radio signals of independently varying quality.  Altho' its programs were produced and shown, then as now, primarily to provide eyeballs for commercial messages from sponsors, they did provide masculine role-models that were presumably satisfactory to the U.S. World-War II Generation, whose great majority had long been back from the war, finding new employment as national prosperity returned, and had settled into rearing young families.  The great majority of those families were eager to watch the new electronic wonder.

The t.v. role-models of the time often came with catchy theme songs that many Baby Boomers would recognize, even if not remembering their lyrics, including Francis(?) "Swamp Fox" Marion (a Southern hero of the War for American Independence); Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie (both 19th-Century U.S. frontiersmen); The Great Adventure (patriotic treatment of episodes in American History); Wagon Train; long-running Gunsmoke, Bonanza, and numerous other "westerns", loosely "cowboy shows"[*]; and Combat (W.W. II U.S. Army in Europe).  There were a variety of "cop shows",  notably Dragnet, famous for the admonition to crime-witnesses: "Just the facts, ma'am".  The Sheriff Taylor played by Andy Griffith was about as gentle a leading man as was shown on 1960s t.v., but his folksy law-enforcement, years before informing arrestees of their legal rights by-the-book, always resolved the episode's challenges.

The new t.v. genre that would be known as confrontation comedy was still a short distance off in the future, so none of the leading men were ever portrayed as buffoons, fools, or otherwise socially clueless, unlike on t.v. shows nowadays.  Such characters never appeared in more than supporting roles, including Dep. Barney Fife, Gomer Pyle, and Otis the drunk (Andy Griffith Show) and Festus (Gunsmoke).

On t.v., re-runs of serials or full-length movies could be viewed, notably those featuring Tarzan (Johnny Weissmuller had won 5 Olympic gold medals total--1924 & 1928--in swimming), Buck Rogers, and Flash Gordon (Clarence Linden "Buster" Crabbe (II) won only 1 Olympic gold medal total--1932--in swimming, but he did get to play all 3 of the fictional heroes in 1 film or another).  It's arguably an insult to the latter 2 to credit them with leading the way for some uniformed-man-in-space programs on t.v. whose low budgets were embarrassingly obvious.  But they, along with 1 of the westerns, served as forerunners for Star Trek, whose concept was pitched to t.v. executives as "Wagon Train to the stars".

So keeping in mind that the topic is the "Western European Men [... of ...] like 50 years ago",  I wonder: What male role-models could be watched on Western-European t.v. by the young sons of survivors of the World-War II Generations of Germany, Italy, France, or Britain?

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Note *: "Cowboys" except the Indian scout Tonto, partner for The Lone Ranger.  "Cowboys & Indians" was a popular outdoors role-playing game for boys, esp. when able to don appropriate costumes and use toy weapons.