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Offline Quid Retribuam Domino

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Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2019, 01:13:20 PM »
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  •   If I thought that a beat-down would snap them out of it, then I would be happy to administer it myself.

    Let's face the facts, you couldn't beat down a piñata.

    #Trying #To #Sound #Tough #After #Effeminate #Outbursts #On #The #Internet
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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #16 on: January 14, 2019, 01:42:24 PM »
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  • Eh, just run of the mill, 20 and 30-something hipster males doing whatever it takes to survive in a neopagan matriarchal society. We've got loads of those over here too! This is also YouTube we're talking about, just look at their blasphemous hipster hero Pewdiepie.



    Take note: This man is a millionaire living with his girlfriend for years with no children (but maybe one after they've been married for 10 years)... 
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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #17 on: January 14, 2019, 05:34:57 PM »
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  • Your question suggests you think white men are more tainted with effeminacy than asian, arab, Jєωιѕн, and black men. 
    No, I just don't think about those other races. 
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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #18 on: January 15, 2019, 03:25:33 PM »
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  • Combination of xenoestrogens in the water(btw men's testosterone levels and sperm counts have HALVED over the last 50 years because of this) and also society and schools stamping down on masculinity. 

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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 03:50:13 PM »
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  • Because they are being raised by single moms.
    Yes and as a result, they have no father role model to show them how to be a man.
    I was a pretty good mom, but it was my DH who taught all our sons to me men.
    (And part of that is learning how to use weapons.)
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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #20 on: January 15, 2019, 04:08:43 PM »
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  • Let's face the facts, you couldn't beat down a piñata.

    #Trying #To #Sound #Tough #After #Effeminate #Outbursts #On #The #Internet

    So, what's you obsession with pinatas lately?  Having a sugar crash and fantasizing?

    You've made lots of fine contributions like this to CI since your return.

    You are on record with your cuckish behavior of sneaking back onto CI with a fake account and then refusing to man up when confronted about it.  And your constant use of hashtags is pathetic and gαy ... something that effeminate millennials do.  And your promotion of yourself as some masculine alpha cries out that you are just a wimpy beta masquerading as an alpha in online anonymity; no true alpha needs to assert himself as such, but simply is what he is.  You have the maturity and intellect of a 12-year-old boy.  Your puerile playground taunts merely confirm this.

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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #21 on: January 15, 2019, 04:23:11 PM »
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  • This is also YouTube we're talking about, just look at their blasphemous hipster hero Pewdiepie.



    Take note: This man is a millionaire living with his girlfriend for years with no children (but maybe one after they've been married for 10 years)...

    Pewdiepie is one of the better ones I think because he is not politically correct, though of course he is not a good Catholic. We do live in a moral wasteland where nobody is decent anymore. Are there any famous trads, really, other than Mel Gibson? Actually I heard there is one somewhat popular youtuber who is an SSPX girl. Pewdiepie gets smeared as being a nαzι because he makes politically incorrect jokes like his famous "Death to All Jєωs" bit.

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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #22 on: January 15, 2019, 04:24:01 PM »
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  • Let's face the facts, you couldn't beat down a piñata.

    #Trying #To #Sound #Tough #After #Effeminate #Outbursts #On #The #Internet
    You sound very insecure. 


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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #23 on: January 16, 2019, 12:15:20 AM »
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  • Vaccines are, also, creating effeminate males and lowering sperm count.
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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #24 on: January 16, 2019, 02:59:04 AM »
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  • The Yellow vested men of France can hardly be said to be effeminate.   They are fighting and protesting every weekend, right through the winter.

    I am not keen on the French as a whole, but the Catholics there are head and shoulders above the rest of the world but in numbers and quality.

    Anyone noticed Sacred Heart flags in the Yellow Vest videos?


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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #25 on: January 16, 2019, 07:40:12 AM »
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  • ... France ... the Catholics there are head and shoulders above the rest of the world but in numbers and quality.
    Less than 4% of French go to mass. From the French trads I have met, they do not have more than like three children, and the way the parents and the children dress, it looks like they are no different than at best the Novus Ordos in the USA. The French trads do not look like they LIVE the faith, but that Catholicism is just part of their culture, just like the Novus Ordos.
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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #26 on: January 16, 2019, 10:46:02 AM »
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  • Have you spent much time in France?  Been to the Chartres Pilgrimage?

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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #27 on: January 16, 2019, 01:07:51 PM »
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  • Have you spent much time in France?  Been to the Chartres Pilgrimage?
    The Chartres Pilgrimage, a great place to meet trad chicks. The Chartres Pilgrimage does not change the fact that "Less than 4% of French go to mass. From the French trads I have met, they do not have more than like three children, and the way the parents and the children dress, it looks like they are no different than at best the Novus Ordos in the USA".

    I have never been to Chartres pilgrimage, I'm already married. Here is the critique of the pilgrimage by a Catholic priest: https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D023_ChartresPilgrimage.htm

    What Is Not Catholic in the
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    Fr. Paul Sretenovic


    In the most recent issue of the bi-monthly The Remnant (July 25, 2009), a picture of the 2009 Chartres Pilgrimage was included. The picture showed, among other things, some ladies in pants as they marched along the 72-mile hike.




    The road to Chartres in The Remnant July 25, 2009
    I have since viewed a 9-minute of the Pilgrimage on YouTube produced by PBS and narrated by Dr. John Rao of St. John’s University. Regarding customs and the dress of the participants, the video confirmed what I saw in the picture and more, as it also revealed the sloppiness of attire in many of the young men.

     When I say sloppiness, I mean dress that I consider too casual for the dignity of any Catholic gentlemen on any weekday, and not just when he goes to church. I must admit that, unfortunately, I was not surprised by what I saw, since almost everywhere among Catholics the hippy-like sloppiness is taking over the modern customs. But it was disappointing nevertheless.

     Outside of the Latin Masses being offered and the Sacred Music in the background – which were the good exceptions that I register with joy - the general ambience of the Pilgrimage could have been a March for Life in Washington, DC, where Catholics and non-Catholics participate without almost any essential difference in appearance. In these pro-life marches, what separates Catholics from the other groups that attend, outside of the Rosary, is normally nothing more than the writing on the banners or placards telling the viewer who the group is. That is, there is nothing in the behavior and attire of those participants that sends a message consistent with Catholic culture and civilization.

     The same phenomenon occurred on that Chartres Pilgrimage. This makes me wonder if those involved in the Pilgrimage really understand what it means to be militant Catholics. What good is such a Pilgrimage if - in spite of any sacrifices that were made, and I am sure that there were more than a few - the Catholics participating more closely resemble their sloppy peers in the world than soldiers of Christ? It would be good to remind those youth that each one of them received Confirmation and when they did so, they became knights of Christ. They committed to defend Christ everywhere, including in the cultural sphere that I am dealing with here.

     When soldiers are at war, often times they have to travel many miles to their destination, fully clad while carrying heavy and bulky ammunition. Comfort and convenience are not even an option for them. So, how can soldiers of Christ be so very much concerned about their own practical comforts and conveniences and so careless about representing the dignity of Christ? Indeed, it is claimed, women have to wear pants for practical reasons; everyone has to have tennis shoes because it’s the most comfortable walking shoe; almost all have to dress in a T-shirt for analogous reasons; one must drink straight from the bottle in order not to have to carry a glass; one should sit on the ground to avoid carrying a small fold-up chair, etc.




    Relaxing in very casual clothes

    Waiting for Mass to begin



    Michael Matt, left, leading the American group
    Isn’t such a pilgrimage supposed to be a kind of depiction of Catholic knights, representing “the remnant” of the past teaching and culture of the Church? Aren’t they supposed to be symbolically executing a war of restoration during the march? Isn’t this war that Catholics are supposed to take part in even more serious today with much more at stake? For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and powers in the high places (Eph 6:12).

     I do think that the least that could be expected is for Traditionalists who take part in this Pilgrimage to make the sacrifice of dressing as ladies and gentlemen without concessions to the Cultural Revolution, that is, to be clearly recognizable as Catholics.

     It does not matter that Catholics are the only ones on this Pilgrimage, except to raise the bar even more. The men should be in slacks (neither jeans nor shorts) with a collared shirt, if possible, in a jacket, and the women should be in dresses, coming to at least a few inches below the knee. They should not be wearing sleeveless, low-necked or tight-fitting tops. If there were some men and women on the Pilgrimage who fulfilled such criteria, then I commend them, but the rest, the majority that appears on the video, falls under my criticism.

     As the saying goes, “Where there is a will, there is a way.” We should find our own Catholic way to dress well on these occasions, avoiding the revolutionary fashions. I am not pretending that we should dress like Catholics did 100 years ago - or 1,000 years ago. But at all times the Catholic way of dressing should show dignity. In these Pilgrimages, however, Catholic dignity disappeared almost completely.

     Youth are following in the wake of the World Youth Days, which have been duly called the “Catholic Woodstocks.” They are a way to bless the Cultural Revolution. I believe that if we want to be Traditionalists, to be true Counter-Revolutionaries, we must stop following this path and return to the Catholic way of behaving and presenting ourselves.

     A good rule of thumb to follow is always to be dressed in a manner that would at least be sufficient to enter a church. I think this applies especially to something like a Pilgrimage. Speaking of which, how many on the Pilgrimage were dressed appropriately for the Mass? How many young ladies did not even have a veil on when receiving Holy Communion?

     For the future, I believe that these and other issues need to be addressed before the Pilgrimage begins as to ensure that Catholic standards are met. Having been very impressed with the recent response of Michael Matt concerning “Amish Catholicism,” in which Mr. Matt eloquently made a defense for the protection of children from the gross influences of the world, I would add something to it. I would say that we see in the most recent Pilgrimage (and I am sure those prior to it, as well) a model of how Catholic parents - some of them were there sitting on the ground - give a bad example to their children by not meeting Catholic standards and therefore do not fulfill their obligations to protect them.



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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #28 on: January 16, 2019, 01:20:52 PM »
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  • As annoying as effeminate men are, we should still pray for them daily. 

    Some of these men are just following what they consider to be a popular fad, or at least that's what I hope is the case.


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    Re: Why are Western European Men so Effeminate?
    « Reply #29 on: January 16, 2019, 01:26:44 PM »
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  • I think some of this priest's criquites are too idealistic (i.e. people should be sitting on chairs and men should march wearing sport coats).  But, he does bring up some valid points in that this march is a spiritual event (i.e. it's a pilgrimage with indulgences attached to it...not a weekend hike/camping trip).  Overall, most Americans dress sloppy and casual most of the time.  And too many Trads blame lack of $ on not dressing their best.  It goes without saying that most women (including most Trad women) have succuмbed to modern fashion in all it's allure, comfort and lack of modesty.  Women should be the best dressed at this type of thing and most of the time they are the worst (in relation to modesty).