Author Topic: Whites lack of empathy for other Whites (Read 9153 times)

brotherfrancis75 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 02, 2012, 03:17:07 PM »

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@guitarplucker,
Well, yes and no. Depends on which "whites" we're talking about. Just like "the women" or "the men" aren't good or bad, "the whites" may be practically angels on earth or else loathsome rats in great need of their rat catchers. Can't we use labels that aren't so value-neutral? Perhaps "the Europeans" or "the Euro-Americans" might be much better because more open to moral and religious considerations.

So you're another stickler like PereJoseph. Euro-Americans, whites, Europeans, Aryans, French, Germans, Greeks, etc. It's all the same. Everyone knows who "whites" refers to. How aren't the terms "Europeans" or "Aryans" value-neutral? Or do you think all Europeans and Aryans are saints?

You can only be a European if you're good? I've never heard of that. The Church doesn't make such a distinction. You can be a sinner, but if you're baptized you're still Catholic in the eyes of the Church.

Bad Europeans are still European, just like bad Zulus are still Zulus.

"Europeans" or "Euro-Americans" are perfectly fine replacements for "white." I don't really care about the label. You can see that Macdonald is using "whites" as a generalization. Below in bold he uses "traditional peoples and cultures of Europe":

"My general view is that these cultural transformations are the result of a complex interaction between preexisting tendencies of Europeans toward individualism interacting with the rise of a Jєωιѕн elite hostile to the traditional peoples and culture of Europe."

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"My sense is that we should have enough healthy pride not to much care if other races discriminate against us

Not caring if people discriminate against Euro's is different from at least acknowledging it. But why shouldn't we care? Part of the battle is caring.

@guitarplucker,

I'm trying to say that when we ONLY describe ourselves as "white" it usually leaves us without any history or more SOCIAL identity. We need to include the social and historical side of our racial identity and thereby provide a real-life INCARNATE basis for our religion as well. Unless it's only being used as informal slang, "Whites" sounds too much like left-paws or short people or tall people -- pretty vague and when that's all our race amounts to also a bit timid.

When we're describing our race in more formal language we should be ROMANS, EUROPEANS and PROUD OF IT. Not in that context only or primarily "whites" with some vague pigmentation problem that makes us sound like albinos or something. Sure, "white" is a good casual slang name for us, but it really shouldn't be any kind of PRIMARY name for us. It's just too vague and a-historical and perhaps when used more formally alone by itself might even sound a little anti-social as if our race lacked a gargantuan social dimension too.

As for "discrimination," it seems to me to be such a whimpy and whiney kind of word. It's like getting all bent out of shape about things that should be like water off a duck's back for us. When people "discriminate" against us that sounds like they're impolite to us and we go crying home to the government bureaucrats or, so to speak, home to "mama."

SERIOUS business would be something more like the words OPPRESSION or GENOCIDE or MASS-MURDER. Now that would be something to bellow about! For example, let's say the Jєωs are OPPRESSING us with GENOCIDE against our race and religion, including MASS-MURDER in places like Syria, Lebanon and Israhell. The Jєωs are doing their best to STARVE OUR PEOPLE TO DEATH with economic collapse and global murder and mayhem while they POISON our environment with secretive malicious intent.

Now THAT would be sensible solid language that relates to our real world here on planet earth! That our enemies "dicriminate" against us sounds like something trivial that scarcely matters. That they are MASSACRING us and reducing the white European Catholic people to DESTITUTION are things more worthy of our concern.

Our enemies MURDER, HATE-MONGER, OPPRESS, COMMIT USURY, SELL OUR WOMEN INTO SEX-SLAVERY, ARE ORGAN GHOULS, POISON THE PLANET, DESTROY OUR FREEDOM OF WORSHIP, ROB US BLIND, etc., etc. Whether or not they may be so impolite as to "discriminate" shouldn't much matter when we consider what they are ACTUALLY doing to us IN THE REAL WORLD.

"Discrimination" for "whiteness" sounds like a gimmick for lawyer's to make more money, not like a serious evil. That the Jєωs OPPRESS us and DESTROY our WHITE EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION sounds like much better reasons for us to get offended. In short, our enemies aren't accurately described as "discriminators." They are CHRIST-KILLERS, not mere violators of this or that mickey mouse civil rights regulation.

Belloc · « **Reply #16 on:** August 02, 2012, 03:20:00 PM »

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White Americans are taught from an early age to have contempt for the less fortunate among their own people. Perhaps it is in part a residue of an overreaction to class warfare. .

a lasting residual of Calvinism......the predestined elect and all......

Belloc · « **Reply #17 on:** August 02, 2012, 03:21:31 PM »

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Since our Catholic point of view must be against Darwin and Darwinism, why should the survival of purely material characteristics (like "white") be something desirable in the first place?

This is a fallacy. It's like saying you shouldn't worry about your genetic descendants because to do so is to accept Darwinian evolution.

One should be concerned about the salvation of one's genetic descendents' souls, even the mixed race ones, should there be any.

Because Telesphorus said the opposite?

The Queen of Straw strikes again!

I was merely pointing out that not necessarily all of one's genetic descendents will be purely white. They will still be descendents.

I have and likely, will not ever have, descendants-biological or adopted, but that said, whoever they are, if I did/will, may they be CATHOLIC and true, regardless of their appearance/make up

Belloc · « **Reply #18 on:** August 02, 2012, 03:24:24 PM »

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Where in Scripture is this found?

What specifically?

Justification for racism

So it's immoral for whites to have a desire for self-preservation and to dislike being discriminated against and being coerced into allowing huge waves of third worlders into their nations?

what defines "third" from "second"??? Most white women and men having harder time finding mates that are good Catholics, hence, considering Hispanics, blacks, Asians if they are-or some mixture of the above......in the end, though a white Western European that I am, would be more concerned with CATHOLIC then race, though my first choice is like me, then maybe asian or hispanic......

brotherfrancis75 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 02, 2012, 04:47:25 PM »

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Where in Scripture is this found?

What specifically?

Justification for racism

So it's immoral for whites to have a desire for self-preservation and to dislike being discriminated against and being coerced into allowing huge waves of third worlders into their nations?

what defines "third" from "second"??? Most white women and men having harder time finding mates that are good Catholics, hence, considering Hispanics, blacks, Asians if they are-or some mixture of the above......in the end, though a white Western European that I am, would be more concerned with CATHOLIC then race, though my first choice is like me, then maybe asian or hispanic......

The most recent comment above is a classic expression of why Catholic white folk care so little about each other. UNITIES are HIERARCHIES and therefore because our human race is naturally UNITED it is also naturally a HIERARCHY. "I love my children so much that I couldn't care less whether or not they're bug-eyed pink and polka dot monsters from Mars." What is wrong with this picture? Perhaps a small matter that goes by the name parental responsibility? If we don't care about the genetics and racial identity of our children and ancestors in the human hierarchy we can't very well have much genuine love, honor and respect for our parents. "To honor your father and mother" actually means something! It isn't just sentimental tosh.

Another way of looking at what's wrong with the above attitude is that its implied "angelism" is also simply another name for self-centered "subjectivism." To be much too good to concern oneself with mere material matters is not a sign of moral sensitivity and concern but quite the opposite. The genetic and racial quality in the human hierarchy of one's own ancestors, parents, spouse and children (as well as oneself) should be of IMMENSE concern to every moral Roman Catholic. In fact, that appreciation is simply another name for FILIAL PIETY.

To say that all men are literally equal is to say they have nothing in common and nothing that truly unites them. If the races or natural human sub-groups are equal, then they can actually have nothing that unites them but must form radically separate species each to themselves. Whereas if the human race is a unity, it is necessarily also a very strict and real hierarchy, including in its natural racial genetics.

Obviously the spiritual is of greater importance than the material. Death itself is the most powerful proof of that truth. But that is not evidence that our mortal bodies in this life are of little or no value or that we are morally justified in not caring about the racial and genetic quality of our families. If we can not find spouses who can provide our offspring with the best possible natural qualities, then it is morally MANDATORY that we not marry or have children at all. Because if we can not do our very best for our own children, then we truly have no business burdening our own flesh and blood with anything less than what our own parents passed on to us. This attitude is called PARENTAL LOVE. Catholics who are ignorant of what this might be have no business being parents! For this reason in almost all cases miscegenation between races is a mortal sin.

So it seems that the reason Catholic white folk, or Europeans/Romans, have so little regard for each other is because they fall for the lie that "all men are equal." True, Catholics are morally equal, but even that has no relevance to non-Catholics, who are most emphatically not morally equal to anyone. Catholics have moral equality in Christ, but not even Catholics have any natural equality among ourselves. And how much less so when it comes to non-Catholics who enjoy no equality among themselves of any description. (They're equal in death, but that isn't anything enjoyable.)

Because we are all part of the same human hierarchy, we are all part of one human race. But because we are all united through HIERARCHY, we are also NOT equal as human beings. And the superiority of Catholicism as incomparably the best and highest religion also means that Catholicism is first and foremost the religion of the naturally BEST and HIGHEST part of the human race, the white European and Roman race that is and must be the natural heart and soul of the white man's only true religion: Roman Catholicism.

THEREFORE we white European Roman Catholics ought to care for and assist each other very much indeed. As is said, from those to whom much has been given, much must also be expected in return. There is a true white man's burden and it is not "the British Empire."

The true name for the true white man's burden is ROMAN CATHOLICISM.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 02, 2012, 05:44:57 PM »

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This attitude is called PARENTAL LOVE. Catholics who are ignorant of what this might be have no business being parents! For this reason in almost all cases miscegenation between races is a mortal sin.

Quote your source, name one Catholic theologian or a Pope who has said such a thing.

Why do I get the feeling that most of these "racialists" are mostly concerned with black men together with white women, while in reality they have little problem with white men marrying Asian or Hispanic girls? Even Tele, who constantly called people "spics," wrote one post talking about marrying a beautiful Mexican girl, theoretically, showing where his mind is at ( since we already know he was interested in a half-Cuban ).

Let's face it, that is what this is really all about. Black men with white women. There is something about it that bothers many white guys; myself included, at one time. However, if a black man wants to marry a white woman IN THE CHURCH -- which, by the way, rarely happens -- then they are bound together for life. If they are marrying for lust, and God doesn't approve of the marriage, there are going to be problems. But that happens with many white couples. And if Catholics want to marry for lust, they are digging their own graves.

You see, God has it all covered. There is no point for us to try to impose our fantasies on Him. Each individual couple is either suited for each other in His eyes, or they are not; and it is up to the priest to decide, in each case.

The race-obsession reminds me of the nαzιs who slept with Jєωs. When you are overly obsessed with something, it tends to bring on an excessive fascination with that something.

Marcelino · « **Reply #21 on:** August 02, 2012, 07:32:44 PM »

:reading:

brotherfrancis75 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 02, 2012, 10:31:38 PM »

There is Matthew 5:17 which states: "Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

To fulfill what? This statement of Our Lord clearly upholds the authority and principles of the Old Testament, including its most basic ideals including the nation, and the racial purity of each nation. That such is a basic ideal of the Old Testament should be clear to all.

The way this is fulfilled in the New Testament is clearly by the choice of ROME as the New Israel and New Jerusalem. Since Rome is Europe and Europe is Rome, therefore the racial purity of Old Israel so stridently upheld by the Old Testament becomes an equally emphatic commandment to the New Israel, Rome/Europe, to uphold its much greater and more divine status as the much greater New Chosen People of God. When St. Paul said that we are all one in Christ Jesus, he also means that we are all now ROMANS or Europeans. We are no longer this or that part of the Indo-European white race, but we are henceforth a UNIVERSAL Indo-European race: the ROMANS/EUROPEANS to which all may belong IN SPIRIT as Europeanized part-white or non-white ROMANS/EUROPEANS.

But we Catholics are ALL Romans, which is also to say Europeans. As the incarnate Christ brings us together spiritually, so humanity is also united by His unique and incomparable racial quality as a white European citizen of Eternal Rome, the Universal Empire.

One among the many priestly exhortations to uphold these great ideals of the Old Testament among Catholics is found in that great Papal Encyclical that praises to the skies the glories of race and nation, the magnificent Mit Brennender Sorge of our incomparable Pope, Pius XI of fond memory.

Just to quote a little of that great encyclical:

"Nothing but ignorance and pride could blind one to the treasures hoarded in the Old Testament.
16. Whoever wishes to see banished from church and school the Biblical history and the wise doctrines of the Old Testament, blasphemes the name of God, blasphemes the Almighty's plan of salvation, and makes limited and narrow human thought the judge of God's designs over the history of the world: he denies his faith in the true Christ, such as He appeared in the flesh, the Christ who took His human nature from a people that was to crucify Him; and he understands nothing of that universal tragedy of the Son of God who to His torturer's sacrilege opposed the divine and priestly sacrifice of His redeeming death, and made the new alliance the goal of the old alliance, its realization and its crown.

34. No one would think of preventing young Germans establishing a true ethnical community in a noble love of freedom and loyalty to their country. … That is why we tell the young: Sing your hymns to freedom, but do not forget the freedom of the children of God.

42. Like other periods of the history of the Church, the present has ushered in a new ascension of interior purification, on the sole condition that the faithful show themselves proud enough in the confession of their faith in Christ, generous enough in suffering to face the oppressors of the Church with the strength of their faith and charity. … The day will come when the Te Deum of liberation will succeed to the premature hymns of the enemies of Christ: Te Deum of triumph and joy and gratitude, as the German people return to religion, bend the knee before Christ, and arming themselves against the enemies of God, again resume the task God has laid upon them."

And, of course when the dream of that last paragraph was so gloriously realised by the Invasion of the Soviet Union in June, 1941, the joy of the Catholic world then truly knew no bounds! The Catholics were united as one and inspired by Fatima went forth shoulder-to-shoulder to battle the Jєωιѕн Bolshevik foe.

@Raoul76: No need to become pornographic. The Old Testament is not a "fantasy." And the objection is to miscegenation. Black and white MEN socializing together is FINE. Catholics befriending the best of the Jєωs is also FINE. How else are the best of the ex-Jєωs going to assmilate into our European Christian world? And, once again, this has NOTHING to do with any pretence that the Jєωs aren't a very great people. Clearly THEY ARE. It's just that when the great ceases to be the good it sometimes becomes very bad indeed, and that is our horrible Jєωιѕн problem.

guitarplucker · « **Reply #23 on:** August 02, 2012, 11:22:16 PM »

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Why do I get the feeling that most of these "racialists" are mostly concerned with black men together with white women, while in reality they have little problem with white men marrying Asian or Hispanic girls?

Or white women marrying Asian men or Hispanic men (so long as the Hispanic man is mostly white and doesn't have too much Ameri-Indian blood). Normal men and women generally like to see their own staying close to home. If I had a daughter I'd want her to marry a man of Euro [like that better brotherfrancis?] background because I'm normal. But there are degrees of preference. A normal Japanese or Hispanic man would much prefer his daughter marry a white man than a black man or Ameri-Indian. The aversion to mating with blacks is hardly unique to whites, but is universal. Most Hispanics, Persians, Indians, Arabs, and Asians have a similar aversion to seeing their own mingling with blacks. Even within the black community you find that lighter skinned blacks have an aversion to darker skinned blacks.

This isn't talked about that much in the open, because nonwhites in this country are aligned politically, and so the division that exists between them is swept under the run and not given much exposure. People like to make it a black/white issue to fit neatly into the Jєωιѕн/Marxist paradigm.

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The race-obsession reminds me of the nαzιs who slept with Jєωs. When you are overly obsessed with something, it tends to bring on an excessive fascination with that something.

According to that logic you must have an overwhelming desire to sleep with one of these white supremacists. I see you refer to your neighborhood as "lily-white" and racist. Coincidence? Hmm, I think I'm onto something. Raoul has the hots for Eva Braun! Or . . . is it Hitler?!

I get a strange vibe coming from you. I see you talking to women, and it's as if you were their girlfriend.

brotherfrancis75 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 02, 2012, 11:39:17 PM »

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Why do I get the feeling that most of these "racialists" are mostly concerned with black men together with white women, while in reality they have little problem with white men marrying Asian or Hispanic girls?

Or white women marrying Asian men or Hispanic men (so long as the Hispanic man is mostly white and doesn't have too much Ameri-Indian blood). Normal men and women generally like to see their own staying close to home. If I had a daughter I'd want her to marry a man of Euro [like that better brotherfrancis?] background because I'm normal. But there are degrees of preference. A normal Japanese or Hispanic man would much prefer his daughter marry a white man than a black man or Ameri-Indian. The aversion to mating with blacks is hardly unique to whites, but is universal. Most Hispanics, Persians, Indians, Arabs, and Asians have a similar aversion to seeing their own mingling with blacks. Even within the black community you find that lighter skinned blacks have an aversion to darker skinned blacks.

This isn't talked about that much in the open, because nonwhites in this country are aligned politically, and so the division that exists between them is swept under the run and not given much exposure. People like to make it a black/white issue to fit neatly into the Jєωιѕн/Marxist paradigm.

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The race-obsession reminds me of the nαzιs who slept with Jєωs. When you are overly obsessed with something, it tends to bring on an excessive fascination with that something.

According to that logic you must have an overwhelming desire to sleep with one of these white supremacists. I see you refer to your neighborhood as "lily-white" and racist. Coincidence? Hmm, I think I'm onto something. Raoul has the hots for Eva Braun! Or . . . is it Hitler?!

I get a strange vibe coming from you. I see you talking to women, and it's as if you were their girlfriend.

@guitarplucker: Yeah, you do seem to hit the bull's eye here. "Strange vibe" is right.

clare · « **Reply #25 on:** August 03, 2012, 07:40:02 AM »

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If we can not find spouses who can provide our offspring with the best possible natural qualities, then it is morally MANDATORY that we not marry or have children at all. Because if we can not do our very best for our own children, then we truly have no business burdening our own flesh and blood with anything less than what our own parents passed on to us. This attitude is called PARENTAL LOVE. Catholics who are ignorant of what this might be have no business being parents! For this reason in almost all cases miscegenation between races is a mortal sin.

This is not Church teaching, and your saying it does not make it so, brotherfrancis75.

clare · « **Reply #26 on:** August 03, 2012, 07:46:37 AM »

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THEREFORE we white European Roman Catholics ought to care for and assist each other very much indeed. As is said, from those to whom much has been given, much must also be expected in return.

Indeed. That would include caring for and assisting non-white Catholics too. "Therefore, whilst we have time, let us work good to all men, but especially to those who are of the household of the faith." Not everyone in the household of the faith is white.

Come to think of it, were European missionaries, who spread the Gospel to non-white lands, race-traitors?

Belloc · « **Reply #27 on:** August 03, 2012, 07:57:47 AM »

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If we can not find spouses who can provide our offspring with the best possible natural qualities, then it is morally MANDATORY that we not marry or have children at all. Because if we can not do our very best for our own children, then we truly have no business burdening our own flesh and blood with anything less than what our own parents passed on to us. This attitude is called PARENTAL LOVE. Catholics who are ignorant of what this might be have no business being parents! For this reason in almost all cases miscegenation between races is a mortal sin.

This is not Church teaching, and your saying it does not make it so, brotherfrancis75.

Brother omits a lot of Gods' Providence.....

Belloc · « **Reply #28 on:** August 03, 2012, 07:58:54 AM »

Its really Catholics vs everyone else......race not a part, nor though, is anger, bigotry nor nastiness (well, with occasions and exceptions)

Belloc · « **Reply #29 on:** August 03, 2012, 08:01:38 AM »

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Where in Scripture is this found?

What specifically?

Justification for racism

So it's immoral for whites to have a desire for self-preservation and to dislike being discriminated against and being coerced into allowing huge waves of third worlders into their nations?

what defines "third" from "second"??? Most white women and men having harder time finding mates that are good Catholics, hence, considering Hispanics, blacks, Asians if they are-or some mixture of the above......in the end, though a white Western European that I am, would be more concerned with CATHOLIC then race, though my first choice is like me, then maybe asian or hispanic......

The most recent comment above is a classic expression of why Catholic white folk care so little about each other. UNITIES are HIERARCHIES and therefore because our human race is naturally UNITED it is also naturally a HIERARCHY. "I love my children so much that I couldn't care less whether or not they're bug-eyed pink and polka dot monsters from Mars." What is wrong with this picture? Perhaps a small matter that goes by the name parental responsibility? If we don't care about the genetics and racial identity of our children and ancestors in the human hierarchy we can't very well have much genuine love, honor and respect for our parents. "To honor your father and mother" actually means something! It isn't just sentimental tosh.

Another way of looking at what's wrong with the above attitude is that its implied "angelism" is also simply another name for self-centered "subjectivism." To be much too good to concern oneself with mere material matters is not a sign of moral sensitivity and concern but quite the opposite. The genetic and racial quality in the human hierarchy of one's own ancestors, parents, spouse and children (as well as oneself) should be of IMMENSE concern to every moral Roman Catholic. In fact, that appreciation is simply another name for FILIAL PIETY.

To say that all men are literally equal is to say they have nothing in common and nothing that truly unites them. If the races or natural human sub-groups are equal, then they can actually have nothing that unites them but must form radically separate species each to themselves. Whereas if the human race is a unity, it is necessarily also a very strict and real hierarchy, including in its natural racial genetics.

Obviously the spiritual is of greater importance than the material. Death itself is the most powerful proof of that truth. But that is not evidence that our mortal bodies in this life are of little or no value or that we are morally justified in not caring about the racial and genetic quality of our families. If we can not find spouses who can provide our offspring with the best possible natural qualities, then it is morally MANDATORY that we not marry or have children at all. Because if we can not do our very best for our own children, then we truly have no business burdening our own flesh and blood with anything less than what our own parents passed on to us. This attitude is called PARENTAL LOVE. Catholics who are ignorant of what this might be have no business being parents! For this reason in almost all cases miscegenation between races is a mortal sin.

So it seems that the reason Catholic white folk, or Europeans/Romans, have so little regard for each other is because they fall for the lie that "all men are equal." True, Catholics are morally equal, but even that has no relevance to non-Catholics, who are most emphatically not morally equal to anyone. Catholics have moral equality in Christ, but not even Catholics have any natural equality among ourselves. And how much less so when it comes to non-Catholics who enjoy no equality among themselves of any description. (They're equal in death, but that isn't anything enjoyable.)

Because we are all part of the same human hierarchy, we are all part of one human race. But because we are all united through HIERARCHY, we are also NOT equal as human beings. And the superiority of Catholicism as incomparably the best and highest religion also means that Catholicism is first and foremost the religion of the naturally BEST and HIGHEST part of the human race, the white European and Roman race that is and must be the natural heart and soul of the white man's only true religion: Roman Catholicism.

THEREFORE we white European Roman Catholics ought to care for and assist each other very much indeed. As is said, from those to whom much has been given, much must also be expected in return. There is a true white man's burden and it is not "the British Empire."

The true name for the true white man's burden is ROMAN CATHOLICISM.

sooo, then... :thinking: :confused1:, Asians, Hispanics, Blacks are off the hook for obey moral laws? spreading the faith (sorry, I guess, Sr. Sasagawa?)