Author Topic: HELP ME IM LOSING MY FAITH (Read 2572 times)

TKGS · « **Reply #15 on:** January 11, 2012, 11:16:00 AM »

It sound to me as if most of what is causing you to lose your faith is the question of origins: evolution vs. creation.

Though it is a Protestant organization, I would suggest you go to the Creation Museum in northern Kentucky if you are able to go. At least, visit their website. What they show concerning scientific research, scientific inquiry, and scientific world-view is spot on. What they say about strictly religious doctrines are clearly wrong, but that is not their focus and such problems can be easily avoided.

Their website is: www.CreationMuseum.org

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2012, 11:34:10 AM »

Praying is like breathing. Sometimes even professional athletes forget to breathe.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2012, 12:55:35 PM »

Consider this:

Nothing on earth died until Adam and Eve sinned, right?

So... it would follow that the dinosaurs didn't die until after Adam and Eve sinned either.

Hence, human beings were here when the dinosaurs were here too. They didn't die before Adam and Eve were here. They died afterwards.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2012, 12:59:44 PM »

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Consider this:

Nothing on earth died until Adam and Eve sinned, right?

So... it would follow that the dinosaurs didn't die until after Adam and Eve sinned either.

Do you have an authority for nothing dying on earth until Adam and Eve sinned? An old Hieronymus Bosch painting has Adam and Eve in the garden and a cat with a mouse in its mouth. Adam and Eve had special gifts in the garden that were not intrinsic to their nature. To live forever they had to eat from the Tree of Life.

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Hence, human beings were here when the dinosaurs were here too. They didn't die before Adam and Eve were here. They died afterwards.

The wonder of a child at pictures of dinosaurs seems to suggest a genetic memory of them.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2012, 01:20:44 PM »

What about the wonder of children watching Star Wars, Tele, does that mean that Wookies are real?

I know this will earn me crackpot stripes, but I think many of the accepted types of dinosaur are total fakes. This whole dinosaur business began right around the time they began teaching evolution. Then suddenly in the mid-20th century you get this Flintstones myth about people in loincloths living in caves, hurling rocks at pterodactyls. Sorry, there's no proof for any of that, it's as imaginary as the -- also seemingly real -- world of Star Wars.

You can also see how it damages the faith. It throws off the whole timeline and creates doubts like the one that began this thread. The Adam and Eve origin of humanity doesn't seem easily reconciled with grunting man-animals living in caves. Between Adam and Eve and Abraham, it doesn't make sense for humanity to devolve to some kind of monosyllabic bestial state.

There were probably some giant lizards creeping around in the distant past, around the time of Abraham and after. That's it. Species of animal come and go. But so much of this "science" has proven to be quackery, and it is also big business, much like Barnum and Bailey. Things like the Piltdown Man are proven fakes; there is zero proof for evolution and this is even admitted by the very concept of the "missing link" which means the so-called scientists themselves cannot explain the transition from knuckle-dragging hominid ( which they invented ) to man. That is because there is none, man was created by God in the same form he appears now.

The dinosaur thing is an exaggeration of the truth, just like evolution is an exaggeration of the close resemblance of monkeys to humans. The devil is very clever and has many lies to feed to those who are perishing.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2012, 01:23:56 PM »

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Quote from: parentsfortruth
Consider this:

Nothing on earth died until Adam and Eve sinned, right?

So... it would follow that the dinosaurs didn't die until after Adam and Eve sinned either.

Do you have an authority for nothing dying on earth until Adam and Eve sinned? An old Hieronymus Bosch painting has Adam and Eve in the garden and a cat with a mouse in its mouth. Adam and Eve had special gifts in the garden that were not intrinsic to their nature. To live forever they had to eat from the Tree of Life.

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Hence, human beings were here when the dinosaurs were here too. They didn't die before Adam and Eve were here. They died afterwards.

The wonder of a child at pictures of dinosaurs seems to suggest a genetic memory of them.

How is any theory of genetic memory compatible with Catholicism?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #21 on:** January 11, 2012, 01:25:39 PM »

When I was a kid my plastic dinosaurs came with cave-men.

It was a bit peculiar, being read natural history books and the Children's Illustrated Bible at the same time, I think even at that age I vaguely detected the inconsistencies but I managed, in a child-like way, to paper them over.

Dinosaur bones are not all fakes. Far from it. The ancients found them too.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #22 on:** January 11, 2012, 01:26:55 PM »

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How is any thory of genetic memory compatible with Catholicism?

Well, we inherit the capacity to respond to certain ideas and concepts. The idea of the dinosaur seems to be something that human beings are naturally responsive too. There's nothing inconsistent with Creation in such a position.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #23 on:** January 11, 2012, 01:34:04 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: parentsfortruth
Consider this:

Nothing on earth died until Adam and Eve sinned, right?

So... it would follow that the dinosaurs didn't die until after Adam and Eve sinned either.

Do you have an authority for nothing dying on earth until Adam and Eve sinned? An old Hieronymus Bosch painting has Adam and Eve in the garden and a cat with a mouse in its mouth. Adam and Eve had special gifts in the garden that were not intrinsic to their nature. To live forever they had to eat from the Tree of Life.

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Hence, human beings were here when the dinosaurs were here too. They didn't die before Adam and Eve were here. They died afterwards.

The wonder of a child at pictures of dinosaurs seems to suggest a genetic memory of them.

What was the merit of sin? Death.

Therefore, it would follow that nothing suffered death until after man sinned. Animals couldn't sin. Man didn't eat fleshmeat until after they were banished from the garden. So why would dinosaur -bones- (dead dinosaurs) come before man sinned? That wouldn't make sense.

It makes complete and total sense, however, that man was already here when dinosaurs were here. They're dead, hence they aged, or were killed by something. Hmm... killed. I don't even think other animals hunted each other until after man sinned. Everything was peaceful as I understand it.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #24 on:** January 11, 2012, 01:36:13 PM »

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Quote from: Roman Catholic
How is any thory of genetic memory compatible with Catholicism?

Well, we inherit the capacity to respond to certain ideas and concepts. The idea of the dinosaur seems to be something that human beings are naturally responsive too. There's nothing inconsistent with Creation in such a position.

Is the capacity to respond to certain ideas and concepts what you meant by genetic memory?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2012, 01:47:12 PM »

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Is the capacity to respond to certain ideas and concepts what you meant by genetic memory?

Linguists say that the building blocks for learning a language is innate.

I think certain concepts, and our responsiveness to those concepts, is innate.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2012, 02:06:33 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

What about the wonder of children watching Star Wars, Tele, does that mean that Wookies are real?

I know this will earn me crackpot stripes, but I think many of the accepted types of dinosaur are total fakes. This whole dinosaur business began right around the time they began teaching evolution. Then suddenly in the mid-20th century you get this Flintstones myth about people in loincloths living in caves, hurling rocks at pterodactyls. Sorry, there's no proof for any of that, it's as imaginary as the -- also seemingly real -- world of Star Wars.

You can also see how it damages the faith. It throws off the whole timeline and creates doubts like the one that began this thread. The Adam and Eve origin of humanity doesn't seem easily reconciled with grunting man-animals living in caves. Between Adam and Eve and Abraham, it doesn't make sense for humanity to devolve to some kind of monosyllabic bestial state.

There were probably some giant lizards creeping around in the distant past, around the time of Abraham and after. That's it. Species of animal come and go. But so much of this "science" has proven to be quackery, and it is also big business, much like Barnum and Bailey. Things like the Piltdown Man are proven fakes; there is zero proof for evolution and this is even admitted by the very concept of the "missing link" which means the so-called scientists themselves cannot explain the transition from knuckle-dragging hominid ( which they invented ) to man. That is because there is none, man was created by God in the same form he appears now.

The dinosaur thing is an exaggeration of the truth, just like evolution is an exaggeration of the close resemblance of monkeys to humans. The devil is very clever and has many lies to feed to those who are perishing.

I agree.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2012, 03:52:07 PM »

Star Wars creatures just seem bizarre and weird.

Anyway, ridiculing the existence of dinosaurs is pretty far out.