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Offline Caraffa

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Where is Pope John Paul II?
« Reply #75 on: January 28, 2010, 04:40:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lybus
    if one has a devotion to Mary that is sincere, she will not let you go.


    It is true that a true devotion to Mary is interior, but such a devotion will manifest itself through exterior actions and behaviors. JPII's devotion appears to have been very superficial and perhaps emotionalistic. St Louis de Montfort spoke of those who think they have a devotion to her because they may say a rosary or two but fail to show it by the way in which they lead their lives. JPII as many of us Traditionalists know committed numerous scandalous acts which are entirely inconsistent with a true devotion to Mary.
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    Offline CM

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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #76 on: January 28, 2010, 05:58:40 PM »
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  • I forgot one:

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    But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.


    Offline Jamie

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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #77 on: January 29, 2010, 12:16:55 AM »
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    I forgot one:

    Quote from: Christ
    But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.


    That quote should send shivers of horror through the majority of the modern episcopacy.

    Offline The Cub

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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #78 on: January 29, 2010, 11:03:03 AM »
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    John Paul II the Great is resting in the Glory of God in Heaven....interceding for our needs/prayers.

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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #79 on: January 29, 2010, 12:58:03 PM »
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    John Paul II the Great is resting in the Glory of God in Heaven....interceding for our needs/prayers.

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    waht made him great? the slide further into Modernism? tha lack of theological traditionalism? the rise in bad seminaires and homos? the McSaint making depts? the rise of liberalism? parying with pagans?

    The use of "the great" is a jingoistic buz word..remember, beware of those theworld loves.......

    and no, to cut you off from using the "S" word, I am not schismatic, nor sede........JP2 was a nice guy with deep prayer life, but a rotten administer and defender of the Faith....fruits do speak.
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #80 on: January 29, 2010, 01:01:02 PM »
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    the general idea is that Mary takes care of the sinner at the hour of his death. One hour can change the fate of how one spends an eternity. "One hour could have given us what an eternity cannot." Damned souls.

    John Paul II, if he had a true devotion to Mary as it is often said by many, would have been given this privilege of her assistance at the hour of his death, and would have been saved.


    Lybus, I understand that your intentions are probably good, but such a view is nominalistic and reductionistic. If John Paul II had a true devotion to Mary, he would not have done half of the things that he did.


    a consecration to Russia would be first in order!

    and not co-opting or allowing a co-option of the 3rd secret to be all about him....
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    « Reply #81 on: January 29, 2010, 01:54:46 PM »
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    there is one anti-Christ, yet CM/Raoul feels the Popes since Pius X death were anti-popes, hence several not "the antichrist" indicating a singular....also, Catholic teaching is that the antichrist will be a jew....so, the great all knowing Raoul/CM has 2 theological errors in one comment......but tears down ABL.....


    The two errors are in your misreading of what I have said, and Belloc, you are sounding more like roscoe every day, repeating untruths.  I hope this is just an accident or carelessness instead of actually trying to smear me, or cause confusion about what I'm saying.  

    Do you hear me going around saying "CM believes that Pius IX was an anti-Pope!"  No, I know very well that he believes Benedict XV was the first anti-Pope, because he has said it roughly ten million times, just as I have said repeatedly that I believe Pius XII will one day be considered an anti-Pope, while defending Benedict XV from the charge of open heresy.

    As for the anti-Christ being a Jew, don't you know that Montini AND Wojtyla were rumored to be Jєωιѕн?  JPII's mother's maiden name was Kaczorowska, but this is said to be a polonized version of "Katz," meaning she is Jєωιѕн, and if your mother is Jєωιѕн, that makes you Jєωιѕн.  Either Montini or Wojtyla could have been anti-Christ.

    JPII best fits the bill of someone who sits in the temple of God showing himself as God.  Considering that JPII's rock star attitude was aligned with a false theology, couldn't this be seen as raising himself above God and yet showing himself as God at the same time?  The whole theme of his so-called papacy was "man," and the number of man is "6" so it's possible that someone teaching a humanistic philosophy in the guise of Catholicism would have the number 666.

    If any of the false Popes were anti-Christ, it was definitely the "charismatic" ( as moldy bread ) Wojtyla.

    It is also possible that the Anti-Christ himself has not come yet, but that when he comes, he will not hide behind the name of Christ but will be worshiped as himself.  For instance, if his name is Joe Bob Izquierda then the whole world will have to believe that the name of Joe Bob Izquierda is higher than the name of Christ, and they will convert to Izquierdanism.  

    Would the Anti-Christ really be that unsubtle?  And if so, who would fall for it?  Only those who have already abandoned all sense of the Catholic Church and dogma, which may have been what the anti-Popes were here to do -- rot minds so that the Anti-Christ will be accepted.

    My personal belief is that there will be a brief restoration before another fall along the lines of the Great Monarch prophecies.  There is too much in Scripture that hasn't happened yet.  What about the fall of the harlot, Mystery Babylon?  What about the two witnesses?  Some have said there are actually three abominations of desolation -- the Arian crisis, VII and then the time of Anti-Christ.  Of course, only one of these can be THE abomination of desolation.  But there are foreshadowings, just as there are false prophets who foreshadow anti-Christ.  
    So just because there are some non Popes, Belloc, doesn't mean each and every one is anti-Christ or that I am proposing multiple anti-Christs.  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #82 on: January 29, 2010, 02:05:23 PM »
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  • Raoul, still got you on "hide" but since you are a Fatima denier if I recall (amd Mary sure does negate sedevacantism a lot!), then not sure your need to input, other than to bash BVM....

    in short, here we go:
    Communism is an ongoing part of Satan's plan for disorder and financed/contrlled by Freemasons, Jews,e tc...plan is to use Russia to force a collectivist One world Order or at least push people towar it...errors of Russia ar the errors of Liberalism and тαℓмυdism..recall, most Bolshivists were jews....who is the largest enemy and olders of the Lord? тαℓмυdics...se :dancing-banana: :applause:t, match......
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    « Reply #83 on: January 29, 2010, 02:09:55 PM »
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  • Correction-Mary disproves mainly the Sede view of Raoul/CM
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    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #84 on: January 29, 2010, 02:45:42 PM »
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  • I could say more but why is a feeling of utter futility coming over me?
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #85 on: January 29, 2010, 10:48:06 PM »
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  • Thus saith the Lord to you: Fear ye not, and be not dismayed at this multitude: for the battle is not yours, but God's...It shall not be you that shall fight, but only stand with confidence, and you shall see the help of the Lord over you: ...fear ye n


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    « Reply #86 on: January 30, 2010, 12:10:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: asdfghjkl (or something)
    it is not given to you to pass this sort of judgment on ANYBODY AT ALL


    Quote from: St. Francis de Sales on Slander
    FROM rash judgments proceed mistrust, contempt for others, pride, and self-sufficiency...


    We ALL KNOW he performed CONTINUOUS acts of apostasy.  Judging him an apostate is NOT rash.

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    He who unjustly takes away his neighbour's good name is guilty of sin, and is bound to make reparation


    He took away HIS OWN good name.  Where was the reparation?

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    I entreat you never speak evil of any, either directly or indirectly; beware of ever unjustly imputing sins or faults to your neighbour, of needlessly disclosing his real faults, of exaggerating such as are overt,


    Okay, let's not exaggerate his OVERT acts of apostasy.  But they were still acts of apostasy.  This is FACT.

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    And, of course, you MUST speak freely in condemnation of the professed enemies of God and His Church, heretics and schismatics,--it is true charity to point out the wolf wheresoever he creeps in among the flock.


    Case closed.

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    « Reply #87 on: January 30, 2010, 03:51:18 AM »
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  • thank you lthngsbrtnbtfl

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #88 on: January 30, 2010, 01:23:19 PM »
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  • I wished that someone start a topic, where is Pope John XX111.
    I read where when his coffin was exhumed, his body was found
    up side down.
    I worked a few years at a secular  cemetery where
    coffins were exhumed, and had  to be re casket-ed. To dig
    the grave deeper for an another burial. Never in one case
    were remains found to be up side down.
    Since lots of care was taken at the burial of John XX111.
    and he was buried in a number of caskets.
    What would that mean!

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    « Reply #89 on: January 30, 2010, 02:29:47 PM »
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  • Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.