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Offline clare

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Where is Pope John Paul II?
« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2010, 10:56:04 AM »
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    Praying for Ratzinger could easily be spiritually dangerous and possibly essentially wrong in the eyes of God.

    Unless God actually tells you through His Mother, or an angel or Saint to pray for him I wouldnt....


    Since when have we only been allowed to pray for anyone after having been privy to a mystical vision instructing us to do so??
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    « Reply #61 on: January 26, 2010, 11:51:53 AM »
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    because he always spoke and spoke and never really did anything, which in a subtle way kept the Anti-Christ in power


    What preposerous rubbish.  ABL did nothing?  He didn't withstand the onslaught of the diabolical disorientation?  He didn't found and maintain a fraternity that almost single-handedly preserve catholic tradition?  He didn't write works that helped millions of souls direct themselves?  What do you think teaching and preaching accomplishes?  What, are you some kind of activist who doesn't appreciate spiritual works?  And what have you done?  Sit there at your computer and cast aspersions on great catholics?  You are a pathetic little man.


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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #62 on: January 26, 2010, 11:58:45 AM »
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    because he always spoke and spoke and never really did anything, which in a subtle way kept the Anti-Christ in power


    What preposerous rubbish.  ABL did nothing?  He didn't withstand the onslaught of the diabolical disorientation?  He didn't found and maintain a fraternity that almost single-handedly preserve catholic tradition?  He didn't write works that helped millions of souls direct themselves?  What do you think teaching and preaching accomplishes?  What, are you some kind of activist who doesn't appreciate spiritual works?  And what have you done?  Sit there at your computer and cast aspersions on great catholics?  You are a pathetic little man.


    there is one anti-Christ, yet CM/Raoul feels the Popes since Pius X death were anti-popes, hence several not "the antichrist" indicating a singular....also, Catholic teaching is that the antichrist will be a jew....so, the great all knowing Raoul/CM has 2 theological errors in one comment......but tears down ABL.....

    also, Prots have taught,some still do, that the Pope will be The Antichrist, was never felt by early Fathers to be, but they note the antichrist will be a Jєωιѕн leader...so, yet again, CM/Raoul takes a prot viewpoint.hmm..
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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #63 on: January 26, 2010, 12:00:27 PM »
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    • "We can only judge by externals"

    True, we puny humans, but God can judge the mind and heart......

    and who says Christ did not pray for everyone and those persecuting Him????? do you know his mind and heart..

    such tripe is BS.....it is from the mind of a illiterate, biblically and or Catholic doctrine....
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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #64 on: January 26, 2010, 12:09:32 PM »
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    Praying for Ratzinger could easily be spiritually dangerous and possibly essentially wrong in the eyes of God.

    Unless God actually tells you through His Mother, or an angel or Saint to pray for him I wouldnt....


    Since when have we only been allowed to pray for anyone after having been privy to a mystical vision instructing us to do so??

    I would like to have this answered as well.
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    « Reply #65 on: January 26, 2010, 12:53:59 PM »
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    lets just worry about ourselves.



    Amen. (Including of course, that we pray for the conversion of sinners and the souls in purgatory, WHOMEVER they may be.)
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    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi

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    « Reply #66 on: January 26, 2010, 01:22:24 PM »
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    lets just worry about ourselves.



    Amen. (Including of course, that we pray for the conversion of sinners and the souls in purgatory, WHOMEVER they may be.)


    i am with you, pray for selves, others and purgatory...whoeever says "lets worry about ourselves" is either saying "lets not go down the who is condmend/saved road" -and this is charitable- or is sounding like a jesus and me Prot..to be less charitable...

    to whoever said the comment, I will take the high road and opt for charity.....
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    « Reply #67 on: January 26, 2010, 01:51:23 PM »
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    • I just thought it might be useful to add this comment: we can pray for the dead (regardless of our opinion of their state) as God hears those prayers before we say them (and before the person is dead) and acts accordingly.

    God already knows all of the prayers that will be offered for some Joe Bloggs who won't be born until 2050!  Praying for the salvation of a person who might appear to us not to have died a Catholic may be the very reason that God sent sufficient grace to that person to have a conversion that we are not aware of.
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    « Reply #68 on: January 26, 2010, 01:58:02 PM »
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    •   JPII is the best loved pope for moslems. The more catholics hate him, the more he is loved by non-catholics!
      BTW Innocent VIII is the most hated!
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    « Reply #69 on: January 26, 2010, 04:11:25 PM »
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    the general idea is that Mary takes care of the sinner at the hour of his death. One hour can change the fate of how one spends an eternity. "One hour could have given us what an eternity cannot." Damned souls.

    John Paul II, if he had a true devotion to Mary as it is often said by many, would have been given this privilege of her assistance at the hour of his death, and would have been saved.


    Lybus, I understand that your intentions are probably good, but such a view is nominalistic and reductionistic. If John Paul II had a true devotion to Mary, he would not have done half of the things that he did.
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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #70 on: January 26, 2010, 04:48:05 PM »
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    If John Paul II had a true devotion to Mary, he would not have done half of the things that he did.


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    « Reply #71 on: January 26, 2010, 05:15:49 PM »
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    • What I'm saying isn't really that controversial; if one has a devotion to Mary that is sincere, she will not let you go.

    Whether or not John Paul II was truly devoted to Mary is unknown to me.
    However, there is no empirical evidence that I will accept that will lead me to think on whether or not JP2 is in hell except of course by a revelation of a divine nature. Evidence can be laid before us that proves a man's good or bad intentions while on Earth, but there is no evidence sufficient enough to prove one way or another what the ultimate destiny of that person was at the end of his life, unless it is divinely revealed.
    If we truly knew from empirical evidence who went to hell and who went to heaven, I imagine there would be no need for faith at all.
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    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #72 on: January 26, 2010, 05:32:10 PM »
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    • There IS empirical evidence!  Have you not OBSERVED with your SENSES his acts of apostasy?  Does not DIVINE AND PUBLIC REVELATION tell us how such acts are punished?

    By faith, then, is a Catholic to believe that such punishments are meted out when he has no observational data, from which he could tenably posit that such a person repented.

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    But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven....

    Woe to the world because of scandals. For it must needs be that scandals come: but nevertheless woe to that man by whom the scandal cometh...

    Jesus said to them: If you were blind, you should not have sin: but now you say: We see. Your sin remaineth...
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    Where is Pope John Paul II?
    « Reply #73 on: January 26, 2010, 07:45:42 PM »
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    • Do not forget that JPll changed the Hail Mary, and the
    Rosary, and introduced new mysteries. At one
    time I tried to say it, but had to stop.
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    « Reply #74 on: January 26, 2010, 07:51:07 PM »
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    •   How did he changed The Hail Mary?
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