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Offline Raoul76

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Where is Belloc?
« on: March 18, 2011, 11:29:49 PM »
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  • Anyone know?
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    Where is Belloc?
    « Reply #1 on: March 18, 2011, 11:37:49 PM »
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  • I've really been wondering and was going to ask myself.


    BELLOC! WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU?!
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    Where is Belloc?
    « Reply #2 on: March 19, 2011, 10:10:35 AM »
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  • I took a look and his last note, he mentioned he was sick.   :scared2: :pray:
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    « Reply #3 on: March 19, 2011, 10:11:36 AM »
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  • He must be REAL sick to be abstaining from Cathinfo this long.

    Get well soon Belloc!  :pray:
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    Where is Belloc?
    « Reply #4 on: March 19, 2011, 11:40:17 AM »
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  • Is "hell" a bad word because Catholic Samurai used it and nobody here reacted. I have been saying ""friggin hell" a lot lately because I am under a lot of stress and fatigue and Raoul told me that it is a cuss word. Well, apparrantly, it must not be a bad word because no one said anything about Samurai using it.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 19, 2011, 11:51:49 AM »
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  • I said that using it as an expletive was a mild bad word along the lines of "cr*p."  

    No one says anything because it's not a big deal.  It's a fault, if anything.  

    I know gladius says there's a saint who used bad language, but more saints probably didn't.  It's really hard for me to imagine the Virgin Mary cursing.  I guess it depends if you're a woman or a man, to some degree...  

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    « Reply #6 on: March 19, 2011, 12:00:48 PM »
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  • What I said (and proved) is that saying "Sh*t", etc., is not a sin, in and of itself.  Traddies tend to be somewhat materialistic in their piety, so their take on things tends to be too influenced by mere externals.  This is understandable, as we live in a very materialistic world, but it is something we need to 'recognize and resist.'
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    « Reply #7 on: March 19, 2011, 12:15:12 PM »
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  • I wish I had studied this issue more at the Seminary.

    Fr. Iscara touched upon the fact that it's "just as bad" (however bad that is) to say "Frickin" or "shiite" because you obviously mean the real thing.

    Maybe his point was that it's hypocritical to replace one socially unacceptable word with another? I don't know if his point was that the "original" wasn't that bad to begin with...

    I tend to agree that it's a fault, and that certainly it's scandalous to have a habit of "cussing", especially in modern-day 21st century America. It's true that Our Lady didn't use any of the cuss words, so why should we?

    I try to be moderate, as always. When my neighbor uses such a word, I don't immediate scream and put my hands over my ears (sneaking a blood capsule in my hand before I do so) to create a stream of fake blood from one of my ears, as I exclaim, "Now look what you did!"

    That would be pharisaical and over-reacting.

    CURSES are a bad thing (wishing harm to another) and BLASPHEMY is an even worse thing (those words DO almost make my ears bleed!) but cuss words isn't worth losing sleep over.

    We all offend in many more ways than that every day -- there are many, much larger fish to fry (charity, humility, piety, etc.) that would be better for us to focus on, until we've conquered them.
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    « Reply #8 on: March 19, 2011, 12:17:20 PM »
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  • As an aside, I wouldn't go around saying "Damn it" because you're basically cursing objects/people. How can you get upset when your car breaks down, when you've recommended it to the devil 15 times in the last month?
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    « Reply #9 on: March 19, 2011, 12:25:41 PM »
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  • When there is a sin involved, it is usually something like anger, impatience, etc.

    However, if I am just being crude, or a linguistic slob, while it might not be a good thing, it is not a sin.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #10 on: March 19, 2011, 01:50:00 PM »
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  • gladius_veritatis said:
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    What I said (and proved) is that saying "Sh*t", etc., is not a sin, in and of itself. Traddies tend to be somewhat materialistic in their piety, so their take on things tends to be too influenced by mere externals. This is understandable, as we live in a very materialistic world, but it is something we need to 'recognize and resist.'


    Materialistic in their piety, are you referring to the overly rigorous observance of externals, clucking and tutting if someone wears an outfit that doesn't meet your standards, even if the Church says nothing against it?

    I pride myself ( probably too much ) on being Euro-Catholic in my outlook, so this is not me.  I did and perhaps do have some scruples, though, as you know.

    You'd think that using foul words is at least a fault, but maybe not.  It's a habit, at the very least, that can open the door to blasphemy.  That is a priest who said that, not that he's "infallible."  The logic as I understand it is that doing something that you know God doesn't want you to do, even if not a sin, can lead to things that are sins, because the habit of rebellion is installed.  

    Or maybe, as you say, you get into the habit of giving into anger, which also opens the floodgates, so that it's the anger that's the sin.  I don't while away the hours poring over theology much these days, but I will keep an eye out.  

    But I understand what you're saying, there are some things even the secular world frowns on that the Church doesn't necessarily condemn, like smoking, or marriage with 13-year olds ( it was done in the past in arranged royal marriages, at least, I don't know what the Church would say about it now ).
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    « Reply #11 on: March 19, 2011, 02:00:53 PM »
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  • Also, there's something Alex isn't telling the site that I think would help this debate, an important piece of information.  I'm not supposed to say anything, though, so my hands are tied.

    But as you can see, I don't say anything when CS or gladius curse, so if Alex's post gives an image of me being some kind of "externally pious" knuckle-rapping schoolmarm, that is not the case.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 19, 2011, 02:32:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Alex
    Is "hell" a bad word because Catholic Samurai used it and nobody here reacted. I have been saying ""friggin hell" a lot lately because I am under a lot of stress and fatigue and Raoul told me that it is a cuss word. Well, apparrantly, it must not be a bad word because no one said anything about Samurai using it.


    Just because I do it, doesn't mean it is (or that I think it is) okay. I dont care what other people think about my language. If they're scandalized, that's too bad. I dont give a damn about what other people think about me.

     I do make the reservation of swearing in front of children though, and blasphemy and taking God's Name in vain is an absolute no no.

    As Gladius pointed out, it's a symptom. I do have bigger fish to fry than this.
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    « Reply #13 on: March 19, 2011, 03:02:24 PM »
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  • Swearing is, however, the language of the devil.
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    « Reply #14 on: March 19, 2011, 04:02:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    What I said (and proved) is that saying "Sh*t", etc., is not a sin, in and of itself.  Traddies tend to be somewhat materialistic in their piety, so their take on things tends to be too influenced by mere externals.  This is understandable, as we live in a very materialistic world, but it is something we need to 'recognize and resist.'


    Actually I believe saying the s word is a sin, unless it is said accidentally and the person did not at all mean to say it. Cussing offends Our Lord.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.