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Offline Matthew

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What's wrong with Sarah Palin
« on: October 11, 2008, 09:46:15 AM »
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  • Someone on another board said it so well, I couldn't have said it better myself:

    First, I would argue Mrs. Palin is a feminist, though not as radical
    as the ones we conjure up when we think of feminists. For this
    reason she is more dangerous. When a conservative revolutionary is
    held up to a radical revolutionary we see the conservative, more
    often than not, as the true position, when both should be rejected.
    This will only entrench feminism further into the hearts and minds of
    those of goodwill.

    It is impossible to compare hereditary monarchy, where government
    rule is trustingly placed in the hands of Providence, and elected
    office. Obviously Mrs. Palin chose to run in politics. There was
    no message from God or clear sign from Divine Providence that she was
    to leave home and family and run for public office. I wrote the
    following in a different forum:

    "The bases of female monarchs (in those nations with an established
    tradition of it) is that when the father is struck down, or unable to
    do his duties, the wife assumes those duties, out of necessity and
    the good of the family, which naturally fall to the husband. The
    monarch being the father of his people, we see at times that
    necessity can (and where there is an established tradition) leave
    this patriarchal role to the female, as much as she is able to assume
    that role for the sake of the common good, she can be queen, again
    where tradition has permitted."

    Isabel would have ruled, but she would have seen that: her father and
    brothers were dead, thus Providence handed her the burden of the
    crown, as confirmed by Spanish tradition, and the will of the Church
    and the nobles that recognised her as queen. God placed the crwon on
    her head, and it is not at all the same as a housewife from Alaska
    deciding to run for elected office.
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    What's wrong with Sarah Palin
    « Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 12:42:27 AM »
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  • I think maybe then that elected office can have more to do with God's permissive will than His actual will. What gets me upset is the gridlock system of our government. It's a silly fear of monarchy, which is so engrained in society today. It actually suggests, imho, a fear of authority simply. There is only one God Who rules the universe, and so why not only one leader who rules a nation?
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


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    What's wrong with Sarah Palin
    « Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 12:45:18 AM »
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  • Also, considering how our government can be such a gridlock system, it is unusual how the bail out did not take long to go through both houses of Congress. Usually, things just don't really get done just like that, it seems to me. For one thing, the powers that be are behind the bail out anyway. So it should not be surprising if it does not take much for it to go though the system in such a short amount of time.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    « Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 12:45:48 AM »
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  • I think I might have derailed the thread some. :laugh1:
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    What's wrong with Sarah Palin
    « Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 08:19:39 AM »
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  • People have good reason to fear monarchs and to fear authority.

    God permitted the authoritative Vatican II. Poor Catholic schnooks resist it as evil by dint of their own private judgment.

    How is the dictum that the Roman Pontiff, the ultimate monarch, must be heeded as though he were Christ on earth looking about now in Traditionalist circles?

    The Antichrist is a monarch.


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    What's wrong with Sarah Palin
    « Reply #5 on: October 12, 2008, 02:15:30 PM »
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  • I forgot, we have a Fifties-ist, Americanist in our midst. Figures he'd chime in here.
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    What's wrong with Sarah Palin
    « Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 04:48:19 PM »
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  • Yes, it figures.

    Americanist? That one is a non-starter.

    Fifties-ist? That's just trendy gibberish.

    Let's just say a critical thinker.

    No one has to be here who isn't wanted here, by the way.

    Can anyone here point out a flaw in my reasoning about the just fear that people have of monarchs and authority? I doubt that anyone can. That's why we got into the far-fetched epithets that bear no relation to anything I have ever written at this site.

    Maybe all the Romantic dreamers who speak of monarchs so glibly will have all the absolute monarch they can handle pretty soon. Oh, but it's an absolute CATHOLIC monarch who's also a pillar of the Faith who's wanted? Such a one will come to us on across the Potomac on the back of St Christopher the Giant. There was, of course, St Louis, but he had the sense not to try to be a good Catholic monarch and actually rule much.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 12, 2008, 05:55:27 PM »
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  • And then we had the grandson of St Louis who did rule much and saved western civilisation--he was murdered along with his sons and Nogaret for being that 'authoritative monarch'.

    It is beyond my comprehension to say that St Louis  had the 'sense not to try and be a good Catholic Monarch..."-- that is exactly what he was and why he is a Saint.

    I am more confused each time I read something by the prev poster.  Perhaps he would appreciate a 'good' Prot, Turk, Nigerian  or Judaic monarch.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #8 on: October 12, 2008, 10:15:21 PM »
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  • I can't imagine what kind of history books the poster above has been reading. Murdered? Saving Western Civilization? Some names and dates would be helpful.

    In any case, to save Western Civilization is not to be a good Catholic monarch: the Romans fought off Hannibal, but their statuary is not modest and their circuses were most unkind.

    Some devout Catholics hold that Hitler TRIED to save Western Civilization from the Soviet Hun and might have rightly been hailed as our savior had the Allies not interfered. But he would seem to be wanting in some departments as a great Catholic ruler.

    I was sarcastically pointing out that good Saint Louis spent an awful lot of time away from his country.

    I don't see how it makes sense to suggest that I would appreciate a "Turk or Prot or Nigerian or Judaic" monarch when I haven't written anything that suggests that I want a monarch at all.

    What I would appreciate is an example of a Catholic monarch who worked full time and led a half-way decent life and somehow managed not to manhandle Sweet Christ on Earth or steal from the clergy.

    Young men who are just starting out in life as Americans in adult society should not adopt or affect a certain frivolously captious Old Guard French attitudes towards their country and their American neighbor. We don't have monarchs in this country. No sense griping about that fact of real life or rashly judging that the reason why people don't want kings is that they don't want the King of Kings.

    The ultimate disaster in human history is not any revolution of the masses: It is the abuse of authority by the elite. Those who resist learning anything about God and Life from this rather glaring fact need to find some other Nazarene to call King.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 12, 2008, 10:21:04 PM »
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  • Cletus --

    First of all, I don't know what Roscoe is talking about. I know quite well that you are pro-democracy and pro-American in every good (and bad) sense of the word. If I'm not mistaken, you could be accused of "Americanism". But you would never be accused of wanting ANY monarch, no more than Roscoe could be accused of having Judaizing tendencies :)

    Americanism is more than I want to get into right now (to define for our readers, etc -- to those interested, please feel free to Google it) but I'll say something about the 50's.

    The 50's were only 1 decade before the 60's and Vatican II. The rot was there, just under the surface.

    Bringing back the 50's is the last thing we need.

    Just like a man doesn't "suddenly" fall into mortal sin without plenty of venial sins and faults paving the way, the same could be said for any revolution. Revolutions NEVER just happen. They are always prepared for, over many years.

    As for the ideal form of government, St. Thomas Aquinas put his money on a Monarchy any day of the week. Yes you have good and bad kings, but it's much easier for Them (ʝʊdɛօ-Masons) to control a parliamentary/democracy/elected form of government, than it is to control one man.

    For one thing, the Jєωs are the masters of rabble-rousing. They know human nature inside and out, and they own the media. So it's easy to get the men (and women) they want in office. They have lots of money (they own the world of finance and banking as well) so they can bribe congressmen to pass whatever they want.

    All in all, a democracy is much more risky than a monarchy.


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    « Reply #10 on: October 12, 2008, 10:48:23 PM »
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  • After everything I have posted here in the last couple of yrs--- if you guys don't know who the grandson of St Louis is..... ..????? Ciao
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #11 on: October 12, 2008, 10:52:01 PM »
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  • I don't agree that I can be fairly accused of "Americanism" on the basis of anything I've ever written.

    There is a HERESY called Americanism: I think that my diatribes against the likes of Archbishop Ireland clear me of suspicion of holding any of those errors.

    It's not that I don't want ANY monarch. It's just that kings are not happening in our lifetimes in this country. (Antichristian dictator, yes. King, no.) There's nothing wrong with being at peace with the ways of the papally blessed nation in which one was born.

    If that grandson of Louis IX is Philip IV bringing in the Jєωs is not what the doctor ordered for those on the Monarchist side. Philip's dealings with the sons of the Tribes were shadier than anything of which Millard Fillmore could have conceived.

    Monarchy can't work the way monarchy has been done because monarchs often don't beget sons at all and seldom beget sons who are right for the job of monarch. Then there is too much scope for bloody conflict over succession. That's reality. What Thomas Aquinas mulled over was not.

    "Providential" arguments are always weak, but since they're traditional, one could say that Providence particularly wanted to drive home Its reservations about hereditary monarchy at the dawn of the Christian age, what with the remarkably spotty history of the Roman Emperors as sires. Once you got a decent Titus and once you got an indecent Commodus. That was about it for the whole father-to-son set-up.

    But what happened to the charming Mrs. Palin? One could write a song about her.

    I'll brandish my rifle,
    With us no one will trifle.
    I'll repel the advancing Hun.
    Hope that Vladimir Putin
    hears all about my shootin'!
    Oh, ya cain't be VP without a gun!

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    « Reply #12 on: October 12, 2008, 10:54:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: roscoe
    After everything I have posted here in the last couple of yrs--- if you guys don't know who the grandson of St Louis is..... ..????? Ciao


    I thought I knew of whom you were thinking. But I was thinking, "No. It can't be. Tell me he doesn't mean THAT grandson."

    Remember. You said: Nogaret, murdered, sons.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 12, 2008, 11:06:40 PM »
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  • I give up!!!!
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #14 on: October 12, 2008, 11:18:20 PM »
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  • A Mexican impasse.