Author Topic: What is the traditional Catholic view toward the New American Bible? (Read 4362 times)

ajpirc · « **on:** July 08, 2011, 07:15:53 PM »

In 2004, at a Mass during school, my class received New American Bibles. It is the only Bible that I have and the only type of Bible in my house (4 others). It was the only Bible I'd ever heard of until last year when I discovered the Douay-Rheims Bible (beautiful!).

I was on Fish Eaters the other day and found out that usually, for a traditional Catholic, it is the only Bible used. I also found an article on FE called New American Bible: Is It Good for Catholics? and I was wondering what was wrong with the NAB. I couldn't read the article because the website had expired or something of that matter. Of course with the NAB being the only Bible I've owned, I was confused.

I am a traditional Catholic and was wondering what is wrong with the NAB.

Also, I am very picky about the way my Bible looks and how it is created, so does anyone know of a Douay-Rheims that has a black leather and gilded and hardbound cover, doesn't have footnotes (Scripture alone), and doesn't have pictures? I found one here but it has illustrations and maps. I just want a beautiful hardback Douay-Rheims Bible that only has the Scriptures in it. Is that too much to ask?

Canuk the Lionheart · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2011, 07:44:41 PM »

The Douay-Rheims is the best and most accurate of all English translations of St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate (which he translated from the original Greek and Hebrew). The Council of Trent declared it to be the standard of translation for the Latin Church, and Pope Pius XII declared the Vulgate "free from any error whatsoever in matters of faith and morals." Again the Douay is the absolute best English translation of St. Jerome's Vulgate. The New American Bible, is a new translation altogether and has no connection with the Vulgate whatsoever. Perhaps in an attempt to make a bible "better" than one already free from error, the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine and USCCB decided they needed to go to the original Greek and Hebrew texts and translate them all over again. Of course, they never had access to many texts St. Jerome did (they were lost, and did not exist anymore) and tried to make a translation "in the spirit of Vatican II". The end results predictably was a bad translation with inclusive language. For English speaking Catholics, the Douay Rheims is the only bible for those with a, orthodox mindset (to be fair the Knox version is also very good) and the NAB should be forgotten about... put on the proverbial back burner.

I have no idea where to find a Douay Rheims Bible without pictures or commentary (the latter is quite necessary) and given the fact not many publishers supply it, you may be somewhat hard pressed. The only ones I know of are the Baronius Press, Angelus Press and Loreto Publications editions.

ajpirc · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2011, 07:58:46 PM »

Quote from: Canuk the Lionheart

...put on the proverbial back burner.

Like Protestant Bibles, although today the Church probably wouldn't accept that attitude toward our "seperated bretheren."

Daegus · « **Reply #3 on:** July 08, 2011, 08:04:40 PM »

The New American Bible sucks. It is so poorly written/translated, that, in a way, it's almost as if the book were written for a child. The Douay Rheims (with Haydock commentary if you can get it) exceeds all other versions of the Bible, aside from the Latin Vulgate (which is basically the same thing). I want to get the Douay Rheims Bible, but literally NO STORE I can think of.. ANYWHERE sells it. My N.O. parish (that I don't go to anymore because I don't want to) has a free PDF of the Douay Rheims Bible, yet they don't have an actual copy of it in their very large gift shop (to my knowledge). I mean.. What the dickens is that? I can't even stand reading the KJV, even though it is very much alike the Douay Rheims. Just the fact that it was written by a Protestant and was written for the express purpose of denying the true Church is enough to put me off from it. I could get the DR online, but my mother will not let me buy anything online (because she's paranoid), so I'm screwed.

The New American Bible may or may not contain heresy or ambiguity, but it's such a pain to read that I can't imagine any Catholic wanting to be needlessly tortured by it. It's so boring and lacks the eloquence and poetry of the DR. It is but a travesty compared to the Douay Rheims.

Canuk the Lionheart · « **Reply #4 on:** July 08, 2011, 08:14:43 PM »

Quote from: Daegus

The New American Bible may or may not contain heresy or ambiguity, but it's such a pain to read that I can't imagine any Catholic wanting to be needlessly tortured by it. It's so boring and lacks the eloquence and poetry of the DR. It is but a travesty compared to the Douay Rheims.

Agreed to most of your post, accept that the NAB isn't ambiguous. The problem with it is that it's ambiguous and by that very fact can lead one into heresy. Interesting fact about the KJV, by the admittance of Protestant theologians it contains well over 30 000 errors and the only accurate parts of it are those taken directly from the Douay Rheims... funny isn't it? :detective:

ajpirc · « **Reply #5 on:** July 08, 2011, 08:32:16 PM »

Quote from: Daegus

I want to get the Douay Rheims Bible, but literally NO STORE I can think of.. ANYWHERE sells it. My N.O. parish...[doesn't] have an actual copy of it in their very large gift shop (to my knowledge).

That's because it's a NO parish. If they sold Douay-Rheims Bibles, the parishioners would get hooked on traditional Catholicism and leave the parish to find one with the Latin Mass. To keep parishioners from leaving, Modernist priests have to keep the Douay-Rheims away from the eyes of the parishioners.

Daegus · « **Reply #6 on:** July 08, 2011, 08:54:11 PM »

Quote from: Canuk the Lionheart

Quote from: Daegus

The New American Bible may or may not contain heresy or ambiguity, but it's such a pain to read that I can't imagine any Catholic wanting to be needlessly tortured by it. It's so boring and lacks the eloquence and poetry of the DR. It is but a travesty compared to the Douay Rheims.

Agreed to most of your post, accept that the NAB isn't ambiguous. The problem with it is that it's ambiguous and by that very fact can lead one into heresy. Interesting fact about the KJV, by the admittance of Protestant theologians it contains well over 30 000 errors and the only accurate parts of it are those taken directly from the Douay Rheims... funny isn't it? :detective:

Of course the NAB is ambiguous. It's just a Protestant Bible (KJV translation) with a "Catholic" sticker slapped onto it. What (true) Pope in their right mind would ever say what was said about the Latin Vulgate at the Council of Trent (that it was free from all error) about the NAB? No one would. I wonder how the NAB renders the account in Luke where the Blessed Virgin is met by the angel Gabriel...

Quote from: The Gospel according to (St.) Luke, Chapter 1

26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, 27 to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

Does that sound familiar to you? Oh yeah, perhaps that's because that's exactly what's written in the Protestant KJV. "Greetings, favored one!" Not, "Hail, full of grace!" Can any among you say that a verse so crucial is but so slightly tainted as to leave a blemish on what one may otherwise consider impeccable? Not if you were in your right minds. It is a Protestant belief that Mary was not "full of Grace", as our Lord said, but that she was only "favored". Such a change is very evil indeed. Evil can be most subtle indeed.

Then of course there's the fact that the NAB just changes St. Luke to Luke. It also changes "virgin" to "young woman" in Isaiah's prophecy. I'm pretty sure there's also plenty of gender neutral language in there. This "Bible" is junk. Don't read it.

LordPhan · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2011, 10:02:03 PM »

Quote from: Canuk the Lionheart

The Douay-Rheims is the best and most accurate of all English translations of St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate (which he translated from the original Greek and Hebrew). The Council of Trent declared it to be the standard of translation for the Latin Church, and Pope Pius XII declared the Vulgate "free from any error whatsoever in matters of faith and morals." Again the Douay is the absolute best English translation of St. Jerome's Vulgate. The New American Bible, is a new translation altogether and has no connection with the Vulgate whatsoever. Perhaps in an attempt to make a bible "better" than one already free from error, the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine and USCCB decided they needed to go to the original Greek and Hebrew texts and translate them all over again. Of course, they never had access to many texts St. Jerome did (they were lost, and did not exist anymore) and tried to make a translation "in the spirit of Vatican II". The end results predictably was a bad translation with inclusive language. For English speaking Catholics, the Douay Rheims is the only bible for those with a, orthodox mindset (to be fair the Knox version is also very good) and the NAB should be forgotten about... put on the proverbial back burner.

I have no idea where to find a Douay Rheims Bible without pictures or commentary (the latter is quite necessary) and given the fact not many publishers supply it, you may be somewhat hard pressed. The only ones I know of are the Baronius Press, Angelus Press and Loreto Publications editions.

I would like to expand on this great post, ALL of the Original texts are gone, they have been extinct for over a millenia, they were written on papyrus which dosn't last very long. What the Modernists are translating from are manuscripts of copies of copies of copies of copies of the originals of which none of the copies agree with each other.

This post is very correct on the fact that St. Jerome A: Had access to some of the originals, and many more of manuscripts, he did this translation in the 4th century of our Lord.
and B: unlike the modernists and protestants who are trying to translate an extinct language St. Jerome was born speaking the very greek the originals were written in, he also learned Hebrew from two Rabbi's transtlated most of the Old Testament, hired someone to translate the book of david which was written in Chaldaic then he later learned Chaldaic so he could go back and check the accuracy of the translation he paid for.

So he Spoke the original greek the bible was written in from birth, was fluent in Latin and learned Hebrew and Chaldaic. He was also a Saint and doctor of the Church.

The DRB is identical to the Vulgate, the NAB and all other Bibles are not. They also contain HUGE heretical errors.

There is a booklet you should read, I'll have to do a search on this forum so I'll post it in the next post.

LordPhan · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2011, 10:05:36 PM »

http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php/Which-Bible-Should-You-Read

ajpirc · « **Reply #9 on:** July 08, 2011, 10:12:17 PM »

Quote from: LordPhan

http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php/Which-Bible-Should-You-Read

Sorry LordPhan, when I try to open it at the other thread, some kind of error occurs and I can't read it. Is there anything else I could read?

LordPhan · « **Reply #10 on:** July 08, 2011, 10:15:16 PM »

It's a PDF do you have adobe? Here is the file again.

ajpirc · « **Reply #11 on:** July 08, 2011, 10:20:37 PM »

Quote from: LordPhan

It's a PDF do you have adobe? Here is the file again.

I do have an Adobe, but it still isn't working.

LordPhan · « **Reply #12 on:** July 08, 2011, 10:25:04 PM »

I just opened it 2 different ways, can you try saving it then opening it with adobe? Is your adobe up to date?

ajpirc · « **Reply #13 on:** July 08, 2011, 10:29:34 PM »

Quote from: LordPhan

I just opened it 2 different ways, can you try saving it then opening it with adobe? Is your adobe up to date?

Alright, I got it, thank you. I saved then opened.

ajpirc · « **Reply #14 on:** July 09, 2011, 06:40:38 PM »

While comparing the NAB with Protestant Bibles from that booklet, I can hardly tell the difference (that includes the names of the books). That is different with the Douay-Rheims: there is a very Catholic feel to it.

Is the New American Bible just another way to make the Church more Protestant, like the Novus Ordo Missae (New Ordinary of the Mass), the Nouvelle Théologie (New Theology), and New Evangelization? I'm seeing a trend here.