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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2015, 10:37:18 PM »
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You're talking about the funeral equivalent of a wedding with a 7-month-pregnant bride. In other words, a small, close family only, private affair.


How about a wedding with a 4-month-pregnant bride?

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You mean a wedding where the bride isn't "showing" yet?
Still, everyone's going to find out eventually when you have a healthy, full-term, 7 to 9 pound baby 5 months after the wedding...

I don't know if the Church has any regulations on this. That, and what is best for society, is really all that matters.


The Catholic Church doesn't like to do weddings where the bride is pregnant. The possibility of coercion invalidates the freedom of the consent.
If the bride was pregnant is a question on the annulment forms.


That's because the Novus Ordo has completely skewed the notion of "coercion" and "consent" in order to ease annulments.  Consent is normally a very low bar.  You basically just have to know what you're doing and agree to do it.  Whether one's will has been influenced by certain external circuмstances or pressures, this does not negate the free will.  Coercion in the past used to pretty much mean "shot gun wedding".


Like when the prospective father-in law gets his gun and meets his prospective son-in law saying, "You got my daughter pregnant. Now you are going to do her right by marrying her or else.".  

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2015, 08:16:08 AM »
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Like when the prospective father-in law gets his gun and meets his prospective son-in law saying, "You got my daughter pregnant. Now you are going to do her right by marrying her or else.".  


Yep.  All this crap about being a little unsure or reluctant has helped destroy the Sacrament of Matrimony in the Novus Ordo.  Heck, probably 99% of all people can be classified as a little reluctant, unsure, tentative, etc.  At the end of the day, however, the willed to go through with it.  While external factors can weaken the will, they do not extinguish it.  So people now show up 10 years later and reflect back, "Well, ya know, I didn't really want to go through with it back then.  My first marriage was null."



Wake for a ѕυιcιdє
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2015, 11:20:33 PM »
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Like when the prospective father-in law gets his gun and meets his prospective son-in law saying, "You got my daughter pregnant. Now you are going to do her right by marrying her or else.".  


Yep.  All this crap about being a little unsure or reluctant has helped destroy the Sacrament of Matrimony in the Novus Ordo.  Heck, probably 99% of all people can be classified as a little reluctant, unsure, tentative, etc.  At the end of the day, however, the willed to go through with it.  While external factors can weaken the will, they do not extinguish it.  So people now show up 10 years later and reflect back, "Well, ya know, I didn't really want to go through with it back then.  My first marriage was null."



In order for a marriage to be valid the consent has to be given freely. If the consent cannot be given freely then the marriage is invalid.