Author Topic: What is preventing me from considering Traditionalism... (Read 9213 times)

poche · « **Reply #5 on:** September 25, 2012, 05:26:50 AM »

I recommend a wait and see approach. If this is from God then so be it. but in the menatime we should be living our Christian lives as best we can.

Stubborn · « **Reply #6 on:** September 25, 2012, 07:13:54 AM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

As many of you may be aware, there is a priest in Croatia by the name of Father Zlatko Sudac. Some believe He is a very strong candidate for the Angelic Pope. I second that.

He carries the Stigmata in the form of a cross on his forehead. There is another priest who claims this (Giorgio Bongiovanni) but I'm pretty sure He is a hoax. You would agree with me if you knew about the things He preaches (i.e. Extraterrestrials and some sins being harder for God to forgive than others). Anyways, the Stigmata has never been received on the forehead like this before. Now consider the following prophecy...

"The Pope will go over the sea carrying the sign of redemption on his forehead, and after the victory of the Pope and the Great Monarch, peace will reign on earth."
(Abbot Werdin d'Ortante, 13th century)

This would be just one bit of evidence that supports the theory that the Great Monarch is alive today with Father Sudac being the one to fulfill this prophecy. There are other bits of evidence (i.e. the Pahlavi Dynasty fulfilling Daniel 11:2). Plus all of the Middle East being upset with the Western World, and how eventually they will attempt to conquer Europe in order to spread Islam.

Anyways, I want to point out that Father Sudac is Novus Ordo. How do I know this? Because of the following interview...

http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/frsudac.html

This article point out that Father Sudac has been investigated and confirmed as a true Stigmatic. If the Novus Ordo was really what you all say it is, then why would someone of the Novus Ordo receive the stamp of approval from God in the form of the Stigmata?

Furthermore, this may be evidence that Vatican II was legit.

This, as the title of this thread says, is preventing you from considering traditionalism? Seriously?

We know V2's fruits were rotten and these rotten fruits continue to stink today and will continue to fester in their rot until the NO finally decomposes into the sewer from whence it came.

For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.

Because this person bears a sign of a stigmata, but does not bear the sign of the one true Church and faith, beware, Behold I have told it to you, beforehand - Our Lord warned us that things like this were coming - do not be fooled.

ggreg · « **Reply #7 on:** September 25, 2012, 07:26:08 AM »

Does he still believe in the Medjugoogoo fraud? This interview below suggests he does (or did).

An apparition in which "our lady" is supposed to have said. "All religions are dear to my son. It is you on earth who are divided. We are all children of God. The Moslems and the Orthodox for the same reason as Catholics are equal before my son and me. All religions are not equal. All men are equal before God. It does not suffice to belong to the Catholic Church to be saved. It is necessary to respect and obey the commandants of God in following one’s conscience. Those who are not Catholics are no less creatures made in the image of God and destined ultimately to live in the house of God. Salvation is available to everyone without exception. Only those who refuse God deliberately are condemned by their own choice.."

Interview

Q: Have you been to Medjugorje?

Three times. Those were unforgettable experiences. It is a holy place of prayer, silence and conversion of heart.

Q: Were you a priest when you first went to Medjugorje?

I was very young, a young boy the first time.

Q: Have you been there since you became a priest?

Yes.

Q: What is the most important thing you found in Medjugorje?

Honesty. To be a lover of truth. Today truth provokes. It seeks the whole person. And Mary cannot but to ask for my entire self. Giving myself to Mary and to God, I do not lose myself, but I find myself. That is what I carry from Medjugorje. The message I received - especially have trust in God.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #8 on:** September 25, 2012, 08:16:14 AM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

If the Novus Ordo was really what you all say it is, then why would someone of the Novus Ordo receive the stamp of approval from God in the form of the Stigmata?

Furthermore, this may be evidence that Vatican II was legit.

1) I remember seeing a docuмentary of non-Catholics that have the stigmata.

2) A Novus Ordo bishop can convert and become the most ardent proponent of tradition. Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, that ended up as one of the great saints.

Your evidence and conclusions remind me of the joke of the scientist that trained frogs to jump on command. In his experimentation using the trained frogs, he concluded that the hearing system of frogs in in their legs, because when he removed their legs, the frogs would not jump on command.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #9 on:** September 25, 2012, 08:32:54 AM »

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What is preventing me from considering Traditionalism..

So, what exactly are you? From the thread on EENS you sounded like a person who first has a personal opinion, then looks for evidence to support it, rather than a person seeking truth.

You didn't know the difference between a dogmatic decree and a fallible teachings by Vatican II popes. You said that non-Catholics (Protestants,Jews, Mohamedans, Buddhists, Hindus etc) can be saved if they are ardently worshipping their "god". You said they go to Purgatory, but are not guaranteed Heaven, they can still go to hell from purgatory. These foundational errors tells me that you have not had ears to hear.

I'm sorry to say it, but from this new stigmata thread, I am just further convinced that you sound like the people described in scripture as:

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.