Author Topic: What is preventing me from considering Traditionalism... (Read 9132 times)

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #25 on:** September 25, 2012, 10:37:34 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Mary's statement would support the belief that people who practice religion, in general, have a chance for salvation. She does mention that all religions are not equal...

The "Mary" of Medjugorje is a false vision spouting false statements. Our Lady's Magnificat expresses the truth that "He that is mighty hath done great things to me, and holy is His Name."

That statement clearly dismisses any other 'god' of any other 'religion'. HE Who is mighty is ONE God, not one among many. Holy is HIS Name; it is not just the Name at the top of some poll, or the Name of the God that someone chose after careful consideration of the merits of all the others.

'...religion, in general...', to use your words, is poison. Religion (other than the Catholic Faith) is nothing more than man's attempt to reach their gods or some enlightened state. Vat2 is the perfect example of 'religion'. It's nothing more than the efforts of people who want to replace God's Truth with powerless, meaningless ceremonies that are designed to be 'relevant' to 'modern people'.

One other thing:

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Father Sudac's Stigmata case has been investigated and verified.

Investigated by whom? Verified by whom? Investigated, I am certain, by some 'doctor' that no one will ever find the name of. Verified, I am sure, by some person who is working to promote the heretical, false goings-on at Medjugorje. There was NO chance, NONE, that this 'priest' was going to have FALSE stigmata when such an occurrence would be such POWERFUL evidence of the truth of these 'appearances'.

You say you're drawn to 'Traditionalism'. There's NO such thing. 'Traditionalism', in essence, is what YOU already practice. Certainty that YOUR interpretations, or those that you agree with, are right, comforting and encouraging. Therefore, everything which does so for you is 'traditional' to you.

TRADITION, on the other hand, is what you MIGHT be being drawn to, but there are a LOT of idols in your life and thinking that will have to be thrown down in order for you to find a home in TRADITION and not 'traditionalism'. TRADITION is one of the pillars of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church; it is unchangeable, unassailable and rock-solid. You will not find any of the ecuмenist, relativistic Vat2 heresy in the Church of Tradition.

Our Lady, Help of Christians, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #26 on:** September 25, 2012, 10:57:13 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Mary's statement would support the belief that people who practice religion, in general, have a chance for salvation. She does mention that all religions are not equal...

The "Mary" of Medjugorje is a false vision spouting false statements. Our Lady's Magnificat expresses the truth that "He that is mighty hath done great things to me, and holy is His Name."

That statement clearly dismisses any other 'god' of any other 'religion'. HE Who is mighty is ONE God, not one among many. Holy is HIS Name; it is not just the Name at the top of some poll, or the Name of the God that someone chose after careful consideration of the merits of all the others.

'...religion, in general...', to use your words, is poison. Religion (other than the Catholic Faith) is nothing more than man's attempt to reach their gods or some enlightened state. Vat2 is the perfect example of 'religion'. It's nothing more than the efforts of people who want to replace God's Truth with powerless, meaningless ceremonies that are designed to be 'relevant' to 'modern people'.

One other thing:

Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Father Sudac's Stigmata case has been investigated and verified.

Investigated by whom? Verified by whom? Investigated, I am certain, by some 'doctor' that no one will ever find the name of. Verified, I am sure, by some person who is working to promote the heretical, false goings-on at Medjugorje. There was NO chance, NONE, that this 'priest' was going to have FALSE stigmata when such an occurrence would be such POWERFUL evidence of the truth of these 'appearances'.

You say you're drawn to 'Traditionalism'. There's NO such thing. 'Traditionalism', in essence, is what YOU already practice. Certainty that YOUR interpretations, or those that you agree with, are right, comforting and encouraging. Therefore, everything which does so for you is 'traditional' to you.

TRADITION, on the other hand, is what you MIGHT be being drawn to, but there are a LOT of idols in your life and thinking that will have to be thrown down in order for you to find a home in TRADITION and not 'traditionalism'. TRADITION is one of the pillars of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church; it is unchangeable, unassailable and rock-solid. You will not find any of the ecuмenist, relativistic Vat2 heresy in the Church of Tradition.

Our Lady, Help of Christians, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Your going to see it that way if you believe that the Novos Ordo is completely false...and evil.

Also refer to the Prophecy of the Popes, and note the last Pope on the list. Keep in mind that this was prophecied way before novus ordo, traditionalism, and sedevacantism was even thought of. Might this at least prove that Sedevacantism is wrong? Since the current Pope fulfills this prophecy? meaning that the current Pope is supposed to be Pope?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #27 on:** September 25, 2012, 11:11:49 PM »

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Also refer to the Prophecy of the Popes, and note the last Pope on the list. Keep in mind that this was prophecied way before novus ordo, traditionalism, and sedevacantism was even thought of. Might this at least prove that Sedevacantism is wrong? Since the current Pope fulfills this prophecy? meaning that the current Pope is supposed to be Pope?

You can't believe just any prophecy, IF. You appear to be grasping at straws here.

And actually, yes, the NO is evil. A Mass where Our Lord falls on the floor while He's being handed out as if the Eucharist is just some potato chip is completely blasphemous. And keep in mind, that is just ONE liturgical abuse in the NO.

JohnGrey · « **Reply #28 on:** September 25, 2012, 11:28:15 PM »

There's also the fact that the Prophecy of the Popes, though attributed to St. Malachy (who died in 1148), has no historical record before 1590 and was considered by many to be a forgery. Among these, was the noted Spanish monk and Thomist Benito Jeronimo Feijóo who posited that the spurious docuмent was created to help the election Girolamo Simoncelli to the pontificate, the reason being that up till Urban VII (whose papacy ended in 1590), the descriptions related to each pope (and even antipopes), were clear and unambiguous. Thereafter, it required the sort of bending that you seem to be employing with the Angelic Pope prophecy.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #29 on:** September 25, 2012, 11:47:18 PM »

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There's also the fact that the Prophecy of the Popes, though attributed to St. Malachy (who died in 1148), has no historical record before 1590 and was considered by many to be a forgery. Among these, was the noted Spanish monk and Thomist Benito Jeronimo Feijóo who posited that the spurious docuмent was created to help the election Girolamo Simoncelli to the pontificate, the reason being that up till Urban VII (whose papacy ended in 1590), the descriptions related to each pope (and even antipopes), were clear and unambiguous. Thereafter, it required the sort of bending that you seem to be employing with the Angelic Pope prophecy.

theres reason to be skeptical about it existing before 1590. Doesn't mean that it didn't exits before then.

How do you explain the fulfillment of this prophecy after 1590?