Author Topic: What is preventing me from considering Traditionalism... (Read 9133 times)

JohnGrey · « **Reply #20 on:** September 25, 2012, 04:40:59 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Thats understandable. I think the Catholic Church allows us to believe/consider these things though. Yet Faith should always be placed #1 at the same time.

My only stipulation would be that our holy mother the Church allows us devotion to those private revelations that do justice to the revealed religion of God. Nonetheless, she demands that we do not afford them sufficient weight so as to color our understanding of those things which she has precisely pronounced to be infallibly true. Nor should we support those beliefs with appeal to the supernatural, as you did in your original post. I am no thaumaturgist and God has afforded me no knowledge as to the state of any soul but my own. That said, where miracles follow dubious or unqualified belief, I appeal to Sacred Scripture:

Quote from: St. Matthew 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #21 on:** September 25, 2012, 04:47:16 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

InfiniteFaith, no offense, but you are basing your position on illogical reasoning and are neglecting the facts. To address some of your posts:

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If the Novus Ordo was really what you all say it is, then why would someone of the Novus Ordo receive the stamp of approval from God in the form of the Stigmata?

The Stigmata can be faked, you know. Apparitions can also be fake. Because a Novus Ordite received a supposed Stigmata, that means the NO position must be correct? What kind of reasoning is that?

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You are not at all considering that possibility that your belief system is wrong.

That would be because there are no doubts that a Mass that was created by Freemasons to please the Protestants cannot be Catholic. And furthermore, such an act (promulgation of an entirely new liturgy) would have been condemned by the Council of Trent.

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What was wrong with what Mary said in that statement?

Isn't it obvious? That "apparition" has Mary supposedly saying that "all religions are dear to my Son". Oh, so all religions that reject Jesus Christ and His Church are dear to Him? Atheism is dear to Him? Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is dear to Him? Judaism is dear to Him? Protestantism is dear to Him? I don't think so.

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Nadie had a point in one of the threads about when Christ says that there is no way for salvation unless you are born of water and spirit. But if you take that to be the case 100% of the time then you would have to reject the teachings of Baptism of Desire and Baptism by Blood. So which is it?

I don't want to get into an argument with Nadie, but just so you know, Nadie is a Feeneyite, meaning he rejects the notion of Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood. Stubborn is also a Feeneyite. A majority of people on this forum, however, believe in BOD. I just wanted to clear that up for you.

Mary's statement would support the belief that people who practice religion, in general, have a chance for salvation. She does mention that all religions are not equal...of course Catholicism is #1. But men are equal, and God wishes for all men to choose salvation. the last statement suggests that atheism is not held dear to God.

Father Sudac's Stigmata case has been investigated and verified. Yes I realize some Stigmata cases have been false, and there are such things as people who try to deceive others with false miracles.

Nadir · « **Reply #22 on:** September 25, 2012, 04:50:10 PM »

What is preventing me from considering Traditionalism...

You are filling up your mind and heart with very questionable, and most probably false, signs and wonders. This leaves little space for true study of history, scripture, the saints etcetera.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #23 on:** September 25, 2012, 04:51:56 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Mary's statement would support the belief that people who practice religion, in general, have a chance for salvation.

A difference exists there, however. The belief of invincible ignorance does not also state that God is fond of all religions. Rather, it states that people can be saved in (spite of) their religions, but not BY their religions. That supposed statement by Mary would suggest that people can be saved BY their false religions, which is heresy.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #24 on:** September 25, 2012, 04:58:59 PM »

Infinite Faith,

What draws you to Tradition?