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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: graceseeker on August 02, 2017, 12:17:09 PM
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wow, i can't even answer my own question, there are so many disturbing trends to choose from
i dont like the way our children are not being educated properly, are taught to hate our past, pretty much... "hate Washington and Jefferson b/c they owned slaves" Well, for one thing, Washington set at least some of his slaves free at his death, i have heard. For aother, we are ALL hypocrites, but some of us try to deal with our own hypocrisy and i say this country has DONE THat... so just buzz off, all you haters
so anyway, where was I?
disturbing trends...
I don't like it that people are trying to shut up the president.. shut off communication w/ the People by constantly criticizing his use of Twitter. I love the tweets... and no one ever claimed that policy should be made with such tweets. Give me a break.
But that is not the most disturbing..
I guess the most disturbing would be how people are not going to Church much anymore, much less the True Church. Sometimes not so true "churches" lead one to the True Church so we can't say they are all bad..
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All truly disturbing trends are the way people are turning away from Our Lord. Disagreeing with the president is just expressing a view and not particularly disturbing. Arguing over baseball isn't disturbing.
The acceptance of abortion is disturbing. Along with the LGBTQ+ad nauseum is disturbing but it's really just a sign of people being given over to the lusts and their lusts aren't just evil but laughably ridiculous.
The acceptance of divorce and remarriage is disturbing and the trend in the Vatican toward accepting this new reality is very disturbing.
The acceptance of birth control, though antiseptic and ordinary in it's every day occurrence, is greatly disturbing. And add in the fact that you would have a very hard time convincing people who use birth control that it is intrinsically evil is also disturbing but users of birth control could be lumped in with the LGTBQ+ad nauseum crowd.
No doubt I left out plenty of stuff over which to be disburted.
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All truly disturbing trends are the way people are turning away from Our Lord. Disagreeing with the president is just expressing a view and not particularly disturbing. Arguing over baseball isn't disturbing.
The acceptance of abortion is disturbing. Along with the LGBTQ+ad nauseum is disturbing but it's really just a sign of people being given over to the lusts and their lusts aren't just evil but laughably ridiculous.
The acceptance of divorce and remarriage is disturbing and the trend in the Vatican toward accepting this new reality is very disturbing.
The acceptance of birth control, though antiseptic and ordinary in it's every day occurrence, is greatly disturbing. And add in the fact that you would have a very hard time convincing people who use birth control that it is intrinsically evil is also disturbing but users of birth control could be lumped in with the LGTBQ+ad nauseum crowd.
No doubt I left out plenty of stuff over which to be disburted.
Ditto. That is exactly what I would have said.
You can add divorce and adultery, fornication, immoral dress, they all go together with the above mentioned contraception, abortion, aberrosɛҳuąƖism, all the same dung in different packaging.
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I think a quietly disturbing trend is personal reliance on electronic devices.
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Starting with TV, when it takes over your life and you can't get through the day without your requisite stint glaring at the boob tube (aka the devil's tabernacle, so said Fr. Frank Poncelet).
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Anyone who thinks that Westerns are full of admirable morality ought to have his head examined. They have total disregard for the sacredness of life and kill one another with abandon over trifles. Fornication, adultery, theft, contempt of God and His Church, Protestantism at best and even that's made into a joke -- what social redeeming value is there in that?
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But now the iPhones and tablets are taking over so that people can't communicate face to face anymore. In Hawaii it will become an offense punishable by fine the first time, to be looking at a cell phone while walking across a public street. They've had too many pedestrians run over when they're paying no attention to traffic. I see this a lot, like a boy skateboarding down the sidewalk, leaps the curb and soars across the intersection without so much as looking over his shoulder at the cars coming at him. If you think that's bad, I've had mothers pushing their stroller come out without looking for cars, walking right in front of me when I'm about to turn through their cross walk. If I don't brake while cars are coming up behind me at 40 MPH, I'd run over the baby and the mother.
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Then there is the horrific content of movies. There is a new movie about the Catholic martyrs of Japan that ends with one stomping on a crucifix in order to be spared torture. That ending is fake and made up for shock effect, but the rest of the film is much too disturbing for Catholics to view in the first place, even if it is what really happened. Devil worshippers enjoy making Christians feel miserable. Now their practice is becoming popularized by indecent fashions, profane language, indecent behavior and the like. This all ties in to the posts above regarding abortion, divorce, public acceptance of pederasty (alias LBGTQETC).
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Read the Old Testament and see what God did to Israel when they lost the faith. Look at what God allowed to happen in Japan to the two most Catholic cities there (Heroshima and Nagasaki) after the Japanese tortured and killed Catholics for hundreds of years. God's patience with America is already unbelievably stretched thin. How it could go on much more I have no idea.
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Yes, all those things are disturbing trends, some turn my stomach.
Lately I've been seeing colored hair that looks more like cotton candy on girls and women of all ages, seemingly they are competing to see who can look the most ridiculous.
Although, as disturbing as that it, it's not so bad as the whole tattoo ugliness because at least the fruits with colored hair can change their hair color back to normal in case they ever come to their senses.
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Yes, all those things are disturbing trends, some turn my stomach.
Lately I've been seeing colored hair that looks more like cotton candy on girls and women of all ages, seemingly they are competing to see who can look the most ridiculous.
Although, as disturbing as that it, it's not so bad as the whole tattoo ugliness because at least the fruits with colored hair can change their hair color back to normal in case they ever come to their senses.
My teenage nephew has blue hair that hangs over half his face. But that's his mother's fault for allowing it. He was piping mad when he didn't get a job because of it and both now go around griping about how his rights are violated! He's going to have a rude awakening in a year when his father's child support payments come to an end.
I've learned to keep to myself and to keep my mouth shut.
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All truly disturbing trends are the way people are turning away from Our Lord. Disagreeing with the president is just expressing a view and not particularly disturbing. Arguing over baseball isn't disturbing.
The acceptance of abortion is disturbing. Along with the LGBTQ+ad nauseum is disturbing but it's really just a sign of people being given over to the lusts and their lusts aren't just evil but laughably ridiculous.
The acceptance of divorce and remarriage is disturbing and the trend in the Vatican toward accepting this new reality is very disturbing.
The acceptance of birth control, though antiseptic and ordinary in it's every day occurrence, is greatly disturbing. And add in the fact that you would have a very hard time convincing people who use birth control that it is intrinsically evil is also disturbing but users of birth control could be lumped in with the LGTBQ+ad nauseum crowd.
No doubt I left out plenty of stuff over which to be disburted.
maybe if Catholics were more into evangelization instead of just warming a pew on Sunday, noncatholics would undersstand such things (as birth control being evil)
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i forgot the most disturbing trend of all (or way up there anyway): priests who don't act like priests--and it gets worse: priests who don't act like priests even when people ARE looking
there are very few sincere priests... and even they don't act like a priest should sometimes...
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maybe if Catholics were more into evangelization instead of just warming a pew on Sunday, noncatholics would undersstand such things (as birth control being evil)
It wouldn't be disturbing if it wasn't an evil that can dress up as a social good.
As for talking to them, please try that. You can easily do it this evening. Go to a local bookstore or mall and start a friendly conversation. Ask the person you are talking to about birth control and ask them why they think the Church opposes it. Do this as a social experiment. Then, if they seem to be pro-birth control, mention to them that using birth control gives people veto power over Our Lord's design for humanity and see if they see your point or think you are a kook. Try it soon and tell me the results.
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The most disturbing trend I see in North America is Selfishness.
I am so sick of hearing I WANT and everyone is supposed to jump and provide it; in most cases at their expense.
I want to die, so someone else is supposed to assist me;
I want an abortion so someone else is supposed to do it;
I want money without working for it, so someone else is supposed to provide it (Taxes)
I want to mutilate my body with a sex change so someone else is supposed to do it and pay for it
I want to be a degenerate and everyone is supposed to like it.
I want to behave like a slut and everyone is supposed to admire me
I want, I want, I want, etcetera ad nauseum
Everyone feels they have RIGHTS but no responsibilities
Nobody seems to think of the greater good which civilized countries were founded on.
Countries were founded with morality formed by the 10 commandments and they flourished.
We have replaced the Great "I AM" with the disgusting I WANT.
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Smartphones. People spend hours fiddling with the things every day. I've seen reports of people having all kinds of accidents while using them; car wrecks, walking into traffic, falling off cliffs- you name it. I heard a priest say that now "every man carries an X-rated movie theater with him in his pocket".
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LGBTuvwxyz.
Men and women are the fundamental building blocks of civilization. Without them there would be no possibility of children and a continuation of the species. We can teach the other things, but not without real men and real women who will populate the earth by establishing families.
I think that the tearing apart of the very fiber and men and women is at the root of all the other problems.
Have you ever heard of MGTOWs? Very sad. It's a "movement" filled with men fed up with women.
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Love and worship of self and so hatred of God. When is rain dry? When it is raining souls in Hell.
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LGBTuvwxyz.
Men and women are the fundamental building blocks of civilization. Without them there would be no possibility of children and a continuation of the species. We can teach the other things, but not without real men and real women who will populate the earth by establishing families.
I think that the tearing apart of the very fiber and men and women is at the root of all the other problems.
Have you ever heard of MGTOWs? Very sad. It's a "movement" filled with men fed up with women.
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Black men have been doing the MGTOW thing a long time.
Three or four generations of black boys have no father figure at home for identity.
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I heard a report on the radio just yesterday that was alarming.
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An older man on public transportation, a train or a bus, was sitting there minding his own business when a group of children nearby started smoking marijuana. He asked them to please stop. That's when trouble broke out. The boys in the group struck at him, punching his upper body and head, and kicking his legs. This was on security video for reference. When he tried to defend himself, a girl hit him over the head with a skateboard. He fell unconscious with a head injury and had to be taken to the ER.
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This was just one incident but who knows -- once it's in the news people get the idea it's okay, somehow.
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Here is an article on "sɛҳuąƖ pollution" which is basically what I was trying to say in my comments above, I just didn't know there was a term for it.
"Given all that I’ve offered in the way of obvious, demonstrable ill effects on human nature, how could anyone deny that there is such a thing as sɛҳuąƖ pollution? How much more destruction is needed? How much more harm can we sustain without social collapse? And finally, at what point will the sɛҳuąƖ revolution admit defeat, and confess that the Catholic Church was right all along about sex."
sɛҳuąƖ pollution article (http://www.catholicworldreport.com/2017/08/04/sɛҳuąƖ-pollution-is-a-scientific-and-destructive-fact/)
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I heard a report on the radio just yesterday that was alarming.
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An older man on public transportation, a train or a bus, was sitting there minding his own business when a group of children nearby started smoking marijuana. He asked them to please stop. That's when trouble broke out. The boys in the group struck at him, punching his upper body and head, and kicking his legs. This was on security video for reference. When he tried to defend himself, a girl hit him over the head with a skateboard. He fell unconscious with a head injury and had to be taken to the ER.
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This was just one incident but who knows -- once it's in the news people get the idea it's okay, somehow.
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They were NOT children but young adults and two of them have been arrested thanks to their employer, Whataburger, who saw the video and was appalled to see them wearing the company uniforms. I applaud the victim for speaking up, confronting the criminals.
Because the most disturbing trend I see is apathy. Apathy would have kept this victim quiet and to himself while the criminals continued, unbothered. Now two are in jail, and the remainder being sought.
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What's disturbing is the rapid rise of Satanism in the USA. For some years we have had a satanic temple in CA and the there is even an organised cult of Ahriman, the Persian "Angel of Darkness," whose cult in the East has been a horrific and even bloody one. The cult in NY is the most responsible for the public black masses and, I believe but maybe mistaken, the "after school Satan club" program being introduced to the public schools.
Aside from all that is the multitude of children who play with witchcraft, the ouijia board, "Charlie Charlie" and so on.
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Yeah, it seems like you get these terrible things that happen, like women regretting and being angry at the sɛҳuąƖ revolution (which seems justified), being "spun" into feminism, which just blames everything on men or (like men getting treated badly because of feminism), so men's rights activists come along (which seems justified), but then it gets "spun" into mgtow which just blames everything on women! So, we're right back to sɛҳuąƖ liberation, which caused the problem in the first place and hopelessly lost in a gender war, which destabilizes the country.
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"Man-buns".........nuff said. ::)
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So, I think the grandaddy of all disturbing trends is that the positive reactions to disturbing trends, gets "spun" into a negative reaction, which just feeds the beast.
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It is very disturbing that everyone seems stuck on a level of complete hysteria.
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It is very disturbing that everyone seems stuck on a level of complete hysteria.
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Maybe the MSM is making it LOOK that way, but all it takes is 10% stuck on complete hysteria for a revolution to get started.
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"Man-buns".........nuff said. ::)
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But they're actually not unheard of in history........
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And in America............
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Maybe the MSM is making it LOOK that way, but all it takes is 10% stuck on complete hysteria for a revolution to get started.
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What I mean is it seems that reason has been truly cast aside. It seems that quite often people are thinking with their passions, their emotions only. Pope Leo XIII, of blessed memory, wrote that when men reject God and the divine law, their intellects become darkened. I think this is what is happened.
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What I mean is it seems that reason has been truly cast aside. It seems that quite often people are thinking with their passions, their emotions only. Pope Leo XIII, of blessed memory, wrote that when men reject God and the divine law, their intellects become darkened. I think this is what is happened.
You're right, and it wasn't just Leo XIII.
Modernism and Thomism don't mix, and that's why Thomism had to be sapped and undermined first.
To go against Scholastic Philosophy is to attack reason and the faith.
Reason deprived is madness, is blindness.
Rationalism and Naturalism were the heralds of the errors we see today.
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You're right, and it wasn't just Leo XIII.
Thank you.
How do you even begin to deal with people who operate on that level? If you try to reason through with any argument, especially about the Faith or politics, it's like beating your head against a wall.
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1. Try to be less of a person like that. It's a "disease" that we all have to some degree. It's like sea air and iron. Rust is always forming. Basic prayer and studies. Big things are made of little, humble things. Try to make a big thing makes a big mess. "Small things with great love" as the little flower says.
2. The K.I.S.S. principle. There's no point digging into grammar if we don't know any words.
3. Remember I'm not God.Something else we tend to not even see that we have fallen into. Self-love is idolatry in disguise. We convert none.
4. Remember the joke when beating the wall. "Doc, it hurts when I do this."
"Then don't. That'll be 400$"
God doesn't compel, so what makes us so special? We can rarely if ever be of better will than we are of the moment, so why do we think ourselves able to make gold of another's leaden hearts? We surely can't make a stupid ass, esp. ourselves, into pegasus either. It's a waste of time wrangling with the bad willed or the willfully stupid. The humbly "stupid" are another matter. If someone "can't" answer the simplest of y/n questions clearly, directly, and sans superfluity, how likely is a more complex issue going to fare any better? It is going to make it worse due to the complexity.
5. The hardest thing save humility: patience. This prevents us from doing the gruelling, exactly one thing at a time, work all the way through so that we lay one brick well before another. What we really do is make a daisy chain of assertive claymores and maKe a loud, smelly, rotting mess. we rarely get one small thing right. If we did that, bit by bit we'd build something that endures instead of these bickering sandcastles throw down more quickly than they were up.
something else about patience (and faith) We're given a comparison of the faith and things of in terms if seeds and plants; so tell me(this is also how men tend to be with women too), why do we expect to be able to see it happen, and all at once? If it were up to us our gardens would leap from toasters.
How do you deal?
Thank you.
How do you even begin to deal with people who operate on that level? If you try to reason through with any argument, especially about the Faith or politics, it's like beating your head against a wall.
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Thank you.
How do you even begin to deal with people who operate on that level? If you try to reason through with any argument, especially about the Faith or politics, it's like beating your head against a wall.
Another thing about sticking to the simple, small, and humble is that it is accessable to all, and is safer because simple things are less likely to go wrong and, if they do, it doesnt require someone else with an M Div to at least spot if not correct it. It is a common tactic of shysters, Ecclesial and otherwise, to overwhelm with an avalanche of verbiage. Too much is as bad as too little. Other people find our artefacts, here and elsewhere; why not leave something of use to all? Even masters need grounding in and reminding of basics, of principles; if they are masters, just like with traditional teaching, then they can use tge simple to elaborate upon masterfully, and the complete chain of reason is there to be followed by any other as is given them.
Conversely, the Summa entire will eaSily crush children and housepets.
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It is very disturbing that everyone seems stuck on a level of complete hysteria.
I guess idiots are easier to dominate.
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When sensation is your high, hysteria is an inevitable attempt to reach that itch you can never quite scratch. Today's gasp is tomorrow's yawn.
Jaded.
Decadent.
Degenerate.
I guess idiots are easier to dominate.
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What is most disturbing trend in America?
Burger King.
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Another thing about sticking to the simple, small, and humble is that it is accessable to all, and is safer because simple things are less likely to go wrong and, if they do, it doesnt require someone else with an M Div to at least spot if not correct it. It is a common tactic of shysters, Ecclesial and otherwise, to overwhelm with an avalanche of verbiage. Too much is as bad as too little. Other people find our artefacts, here and elsewhere; why not leave something of use to all? Even masters need grounding in and reminding of basics, of principles; if they are masters, just like with traditional teaching, then they can use tge simple to elaborate upon masterfully, and the complete chain of reason is there to be followed by any other as is given them.
Conversely, the Summa entire will eaSily crush children and housepets.
Yes, I quite find that is true. The so called experts try to make you feel that you are stupid, but if you remember the basic principles(of morality,etc) you can stay on the right track. We've gotten so far from just the basic understanding that we are a religion based on the teaching of Our Lord, that we can't just make things up. Even just simple logic seems to be disappearing: that a thing cannot be both a thing and not a thing at the same time.
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Yes, I quite find that is true. The so called experts try to make you feel that you are stupid, but if you remember the basic principles(of morality,etc) you can stay on the right track. We've gotten so far from just the basic understanding that we are a religion based on the teaching of Our Lord, that we can't just make things up. Even just simple logic seems to be disappearing: that a thing cannot be both a thing and not a thing at the same time.
Thanks for the feedback. Fact is when is comes to human persons this side of eternity, there comes a point when we all ARE "stupid".
Even the Angelic Doc was alleged to have said, "... like straw..."
Even IF he didn't say it, it is said of him by sound Catholics over time and contains the germ of that idea.
Being stupid can be humbling.
Logic IS disappearing. It has been juiced from the populace by modernism and it's sickly offspring for decades. We weren't warned against it for no reason.
More specifically, Scholastic Philosophy is being driven out. Specific Popes and others prescribed it by name as the exact remedy against the ills we currently suffer; by-and-large they were ignored.
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It wouldn't be disturbing if it wasn't an evil that can dress up as a social good.
As for talking to them, please try that. You can easily do it this evening. Go to a local bookstore or mall and start a friendly conversation. Ask the person you are talking to about birth control and ask them why they think the Church opposes it. Do this as a social experiment. Then, if they seem to be pro-birth control, mention to them that using birth control gives people veto power over Our Lord's design for humanity and see if they see your point or think you are a kook. Try it soon and tell me the results.
i do things like that.. and the result is that I am persecuted, a rsult we expect
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How about the impoverishment of our country? What happened to the family wage?
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Our country produces eighteen trillion dollars a year in gross domestic product. Half of americans work full time and their wages (for those who earn less than three hundred thousand dollars per year) amount to less than twenty five percent of gdp. Out of that relatively small portion, they are expected to pay federal, state, local, sales, property and other taxes and fees. When they can't afford the basics like a home, automobile, education, clothing or a few bucks until pay day, they are told to borrow money for them and to pay usury on the loan.
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When sensation is your high, hysteria is an inevitable attempt to reach that itch you can never quite scratch. Today's gasp is tomorrow's yawn.
Jaded.
Decadent.
Degenerate.
Yeah, jaded is a good word for it.
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Burger King.
what?
is this a joke?
But maybe not. BK doesn't do breakfast all day like McD does... very disturbing
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Our country produces eighteen trillion dollars a year in gross domestic product. Half of americans work full time and their wages (for those who earn less than three hundred thousand dollars per year) amount to less than twenty five percent of gdp. Out of that relatively small portion, they are expected to pay federal, state, local, sales, property and other taxes and fees. When they can't afford the basics like a home, automobile, education, clothing or a few bucks until pay day, they are told to borrow money for them and to pay usury on the loan.
and the rich can afford lawyers and lobbyists to get out of paying taxes
I hear Trump is going to change that. I certainly hope so.
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I think it's very disturbing that Americans look to a politician who is not a Christian and is an adulterer as a savior. Frightening.
"We will be protected by God". Is God on the payroll?
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I think it's very disturbing that Americans look to a politician who is not a Christian and is an adulterer as a savior. Frightening.
"We will be protected by God". Is God on the payroll?
It's bad enough to look to any human person as savior, even a paragon of the Faith and virtue; you were highlighting the particular disturbance of lauding villains as heroes, without excluding the truly heroic but human, yes? However, you may mean "savior" in a corporeal sense, in which case even an non-Catholic scuмbag can be such. It is doubtful that you meant the latter.
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It's bad enough to look to any human person as savior, even a paragon of the Faith and virtue; you were highlighting the particular disturbance of lauding villains as heroes, without excluding the truly heroic but human, yes? However, you may mean "savior" in a corporeal sense, in which case even an non-Catholic scuмbag can be such. It is doubtful that you meant the latter.
I've actually read on Catholic websites that we elected Trump to "save us".
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What is most disturbing trend in America?
In a nutshell... LIBERALISM (Liberal Democracy)...
As for what annoys me the most is that many, if not most, have the silly notion that the U.S. is God's gift to the World. It's nothing but a Imperialistic nation constantly violating the sovereignty of other nations so that they will serve the interests of the U.S.(Israel) I could go on, but that's the jist of it.
Hence one of the reasons you see President Putin as my avatar, he has been, more or less, an example for the U.S. to how a nation should respect the sovereignty of other nations.
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Many disturbing things in america these days. Women being allowed to work outside the home and have a higher education when its not necessary for them, negros rioting in the streets, and minorities being allowed inside our once proud nation of america. adding to the fαɢs and sissy libtards being allowed to run amok like they own the place >:(
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Many disturbing things in america these days. Women being allowed to work outside the home and have a higher education when its not necessary for them, negros rioting in the streets, and minorities being allowed inside our once proud nation of america. adding to the fαɢs and sissy libtards being allowed to run amok like they own the place >:(
But you're a minority. We've never had anywhere close to a majority Catholic population in this nation.
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wow, i can't even answer my own question, there are so many disturbing trends to choose from
The trans agenda, by far.
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Atheism and the destruction of family.
Materialism.