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I can name at lease one troll on this forum. Poche. He is not really liked
on other forums and would like to see him leave.
For example that ridiculous article he copied and pasted claiming that
Pope Pius XII supported the establishment of Israel.  
How mad can you get.

I think Poche is one of our crosses to bear.  But there may be a glimmer of hope for him--what other ardent NOer spends so much time with trads...

Trickster,

The Novus Ordo church follows Christ in word but has officially declared other religions to also be from God and also to contain the means of salvation.  See Lumen Gentium 16 and almost all of the writings of John Paul II and the public statements of Pope Francis XVI.  There are also the instances of post-Vatican II popes engaging in public worship with other religions (Assisi I, II, III and others) and there are previous popes who condemned this behavior for  your everyday Catholic - much less a Pope - see Pope Pius IX's encyclical "Mortalium Animos")

Our Lord made it clear by saying that He was the Truth, the Way and the Light and that no one came to the Father except through Him.  There are also dozens of quotes from the New Testament and Traditional Catholoc docuмents attesting to this belief.  In fact, it is believed by Catholics (who embrace EENS) that there is no salvation outside of the Church.  In short, it's a one way street.  If you feel at this time in your spiritual development that "every body kinda has a grasp on the truth in their own way" then keep reading and studying.  Pray on the issue.  It's a one way street and not the Arizona heat which comes from all directions and goes in all directions.  

Our Lord told the apostles that the god of the gentiles are devils, so what are we supposed to think when John Paul II writes of his respect for followers of these religions?

You're a bright guy, Bruce.  You're well read and capable of thinking things through so if you say you see nothing to the contrary than I might think you're not playing straight with us.  However, it could be that you've done very little reading on the topic so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Hey, study the issue as a complete agnostic.  See if the pre-Vatican II church differs from the post-Vatican II church in it's "praxis" and in it's prayers and in the approach toward other religions.  Then look at the sociological data differences between post- and pre- for church attendance, family size, marriage data, and views on religion.  

While studying the issue, visit pre- and post- churches for Mass.  Talk to the priest as someone who is seeking.  Ask the questions while you are there.  

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I can name at lease one troll on this forum. Poche. He is not really liked
on other forums and would like to see him leave.
For example that ridiculous article he copied and pasted claiming that
Pope Pius XII supported the establishment of Israel.  
How mad can you get.

I think Poche is one of our crosses to bear.  But there may be a glimmer of hope for him--what other ardent NOer spends so much time with trads...

Hi OHCA, I am also Novus Ordo..haven't heard anything that would convince me tha that the post-Vatican II church is diabolic or whateer. . .

"Pope" kissing filthy koran; fag masses; clown masses; "who am I to judge;" "proselytizing is solemn nonsense;" communion in the hand; global view that one religion is as good as another; watered-down warnings of hell - or no warnings - or hell doesn't exist--depending on the "presider;" etc.