Author Topic: What is a Liberal? (Read 3354 times)

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #15 on:** September 23, 2013, 07:42:00 PM »

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I read some of what Chapter 19 was talking about. Is this source official dogma? Or is it an opinion of another Catholic?

It is derived strictly from the two great commandments.

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Chapter 19 talks about correcting someone (crossing them) if they are in the wrong, and how this, if done correctly, is charitable. While I can see that if a neighbor of mine, who is outside of my family, is about to commit a mortal sin...it is my obligation to bring that to his/her attention. But Chapter 19 goes as far as punishing your neighbor for doing something wrong. I'm not sold on this.

When done for love of the neighbour's soul, it is charity. According to the Baltimore Catechism, the first spiritual work of mercy is to admonish the sinner, the second is to instruct the ignorant.

Quote from: Liberalism is a Sin
It is: Sovereign Catholic inflexibility is sovereign Catholic charity. This charity is practiced in relation to our neighbor when in his own interest, he is crossed, humiliated and chastised. it is practiced in relation to a third party, when he is defended from the unjust aggression of another, as when he is protected from the contagion of error by unmasking its authors and abettors and showing them in their true light as iniquitous and pervert, by holding them up to the contempt, horror and execration of all. It is practiced in relation to God when, for His glory and in His service, it becomes necessary to silence all human considerations, to trample under foot all human (106) respect, to sacrifice all human interests, and even life itself to attain this highest of all ends. All this is Catholic inflexibility and inflexible Catholicity in the practice of that pure love which constitutes sovereign charity.

This kind of charity is difficult to practise.

Quote from: 1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth with the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

The thing is to purify our intentions so as to be capable of it.

So let me ask you this. Can you, my neighbor, humiliate me in front of a group of people or by making my business known to others? I know people have tried to humiliate me like this in the past, but really alls it did was make me mad. I just thought it was not their place to be trying to punish me. Was I in the wrong?

Graham · « **Reply #16 on:** September 23, 2013, 08:02:21 PM »

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So let me ask you this. Can you, my neighbor, humiliate me in front of a group of people or by making my business known to others? I know people have tried to humiliate me like this in the past, but really alls it did was make me mad. I just thought it was not their place to be trying to punish me. Was I in the wrong?

In general no, I cannot. That sounds like cruelty and/or detraction, which are sinful. But no-one could decide who was right and who was wrong from such a non-specific description.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 24, 2013, 10:05:54 AM »

Well Matthew the same could be said about all of the nαzι, fascist, racist, socialist, etc. terms that have been thrown around by a lot of people on this website.

And it seems by your defintion that indeed there are liberals on this website, for instance there is ggreg, who is the epitome of one, with all of his nonsense about unbridled markets without morality, free trade, etc.

It should also be mentioned that liberals obsess over supposed nαzιs, fascists, racists, homophobes, nativists, xenophobes, bigots, etc. but are very tolerant of left-wing movements like Communism.

Liberals also show a very arrogant view of themselves in the world, especially those from an intellectual background, which gives them hubris and the feeling of looking down on their fellow men.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #18 on:** September 24, 2013, 10:46:36 AM »

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Well Matthew the same could be said about all of the nαzι, fascist, racist, socialist, etc. terms that have been thrown around by a lot of people on this website.

And it seems by your defintion that indeed there are liberals on this website, for instance there is ggreg, who is the epitome of one, with all of his nonsense about unbridled markets without morality, free trade, etc.

It should also be mentioned that liberals obsess over supposed nαzιs, fascists, racists, homophobes, nativists, xenophobes, bigots, etc. but are very tolerant of left-wing movements like Communism.

Liberals also show a very arrogant view of themselves in the world, especially those from an intellectual background, which gives them hubris and the feeling of looking down on their fellow men.

You think Nativism is a bad thing?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 24, 2013, 11:04:00 AM »

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You think Nativism is a bad thing?

No obviously the less immigration the better. I'm just saying that term is used as an attack by the Left.